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Because I don't see the "scum" in his posts.In post 1844, NotTheRealPaul wrote:okay why cant u sr thor?
and why the reversal on eddie? like were u just sheeping rb? im confused af now
pedit: ya i tr u. not super strong but im reasonably sure
I don't get scum-feels from him, at all.
I do not now what others see that I am missing, but Thor isn't scum in my books until I am proven otherwise.
The reversal on Eddie comes from me having a good night sleep and deciding I'm stupid for sticking on my tunnel that "Eddie pocketing rb = scum".
I honestly felt so, but when someone can actually reason why something has happened, and even goes out to give context from outside of this game, it becomes clear that I might just simply be pig-headed.
And I don't find any trouble changing my mind if I'm given reasonable arguments.-
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I was wondering why you weren't NKd because I felt like most everyone townreads you.In post 1851, rb wrote:once i have everyone's read on me i'll explain this point further.
Also it would mean that if you are indeed town, the scum are happy with every wagon and agenda you push, meaning you are on the wrong track, meaning that you have townread someone who isn't town.
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...??In post 1857, NotTheRealPaul wrote:really bad strategy for scum!rb I mean. Like leading town and not getting nked
Leading town and not getting NK'd is bad for scum?
You propose he should shoot himself and flip scum?
I think rb is not Mafia.-
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so if someone is leading town and doesnt get nked within a day or two there are two possibilities
1. scum like them leading/their reads are crap
2. theyre scum leading town to ruin
but because i think 2 is a lot less likely, i think 1 is the case
there is a 3rd possibility were scum avoid nking obv leader because protective role paranoia
but this is getting stupid bcuz analyzing nk gets us nowwhere realky. Like it leads to a bunch of WIFOM and u just end up more confused.-
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OK, then let me ask a slightly different question: how strong is your townread of rb?In post 1718, Eddie Cane wrote:
no.In post 1689, frog wrote:Eddie Cane, can you explain your read of rb in detail please
Of course bad and anti-town does not mean scum, but since so much of what is commonly called scummy does not indicate scum, I cannot agree that this criticism undermines my read. You may as well apply it to everyone and everything and deflate every read that way. I think your words are deliberately misdirective, and I will never believe that you are just discussing theory, because I do not think that there is a universal way to play mafia. Theory is contingent on alignment, role, gamestate, and player. What about DunkerDoodles makes him scum, as opposed to anti-town or bad?In post 1740, Thor665 wrote:Even if I did exactly those things (woooosh!) how does that suggest scum intent?
At best you're describing bad play there, not scum play, what am I missing?
Also, why no VCA consideration? You have me and Eddie as top scum candidates and...nothing else in that analysis about how that seems unlikely (or, I suppose, explanation for why it is)?
As for the Eddie Cane thing, I find nothing to suggest you cannot be scum together. In fact, I marked down a Day 1 argument as looking like scum vs scum. Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you-
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I don't think anyone, including scum, doesn't feel the same. No reason why it prevents us from being confident in our interactions thoughIn post 1714, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm only anxious about the setup, because I feel like a small blind fish swimming with bigger..things..in the water.
And the worst thing is, I don't know whether they are sharks/whales/frogs...so I'm just an anxious n00b.-
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Why are we talking so much about vigilantes? I understand that some of us have some ideas about what did and should have happened last night, but why is any of this speculation useful?In post 1744, Flavor Leaf wrote:Hey, guys. I'm here. If SD was a vig shot, then TB is likely town.-
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strongish. not lock town but unless certain things happen I won't be voting himIn post 1864, frog wrote:
OK, then let me ask a slightly different question: how strong is your townread of rb?In post 1718, Eddie Cane wrote:
no.In post 1689, frog wrote:Eddie Cane, can you explain your read of rb in detail please
Of course bad and anti-town does not mean scum, but since so much of what is commonly called scummy does not indicate scum, I cannot agree that this criticism undermines my read. You may as well apply it to everyone and everything and deflate every read that way. I think your words are deliberately misdirective, and I will never believe that you are just discussing theory, because I do not think that there is a universal way to play mafia. Theory is contingent on alignment, role, gamestate, and player. What about DunkerDoodles makes him scum, as opposed to anti-town or bad?In post 1740, Thor665 wrote:Even if I did exactly those things (woooosh!) how does that suggest scum intent?
At best you're describing bad play there, not scum play, what am I missing?
Also, why no VCA consideration? You have me and Eddie as top scum candidates and...nothing else in that analysis about how that seems unlikely (or, I suppose, explanation for why it is)?
As for the Eddie Cane thing, I find nothing to suggest you cannot be scum together. In fact, I marked down a Day 1 argument as looking like scum vs scum. Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you-
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that's not how mafia worksIn post 1826, wavemode wrote:Eddie your vote does not matter to me because you're simply wrong and that was proven yesterday. You had a wave/thor/mulch theory and that was shown to be wrong but you're still dead-set on believing you had it partially right so you're just running down the rest of that list. You have no real case except by association. I'm struggling to see anything scummy in those posts you referenced, just certain things you consider to be bad town play, or associative reads with thor. Only thing is maybe being sure that flavor was a mislynch, but I mean, I say things like that just generally. I've seen enough day 1 mislynches to know one when I see one... the day I'm wrong is the day I'll stop saying that.
You're also giving me a migraine, sorry to say, and I'm not getting in some 10 page debate with you just so you can turn around and say I'm scummy for being defensive. You make a big stink about everything and you talk like you know everything and everyone is an idiot and nobody is allowed to disagree with your scumreads or else they're scum. It would be fine if we were getting results but here you are tunneling on 3 people and simply wrong on 2 of them, and also probably the third, and just leading the town off a cliff at this point. I'm truly just not super interested in the opinions or comments of you or rb anymore so either kill me or leave me alone.
VOTE: wave-
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I did explain it, I said VCA.In post 1741, NotTheRealPaul wrote:thor explain vote 1 sentence please
Look at the wagon from yesterday and remove everyone I have called town - that doesn't leave you a lot of options, does it?
Now look at who I called scum.
Now ask yourself how likely it is that scum voted Mulch.
Now ask yourself whose vote looked the worst.
Compare to my scum reads.
And vote.
That would feed back to my question of - where else should I go exactly?In post 1743, rb wrote:reasons for thinking SD = scum are not the same as reasons for tunneling SD
try again
Because I don't think it was a tunnel, but I'll agree I sat there the bulk of the day.
But where would town Thor (or any semi-thinking individual) go other than there?
Answer - nowhere.
Hence why I didn't move.
Derp.
I disagree.In post 1793, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
I kinda agree with this actuallyIn post 1791, Dunkerdoodles wrote:gutread skitter scum
I have often stated my read on you, and for someone calling my play bad I find it silly enough that you can't figure it out that I'll refuse to answer.In post 1843, rb wrote:i need to figure something out
everyone please state their read on me if they haven't already:
dunker - town
eddie - town
paul - town
una - town
frog - town
mario - town
flavor leaf - town
thor - ?
skitter - ?
wavemode - ?
As far as I know, it's possible the entire game townreads me. Yes?
I actually do - it's why I say most reads are inherently bad.In post 1864, frog wrote:You may as well apply it to everyone and everything and deflate every read that way.
I agree there is no universal way AND HAVE NEVER SAID THERE IS.In post 1864, frog wrote: I think your words are deliberately misdirective, and I will never believe that you are just discussing theory, because I do not think that there is a universal way to play mafia.
So how am I being misdirective exactly?
My town reads and the timing of his vote.In post 1864, frog wrote: What about DunkerDoodles makes him scum, as opposed to anti-town or bad?
No, burden is on anyone making a claim - which you are doing.In post 1864, frog wrote:As for the Eddie Cane thing, I find nothing to suggest you cannot be scum together. In fact, I marked down a Day 1 argument as looking like scum vs scum. Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you
I think there is a problem with an Eddie/Thor combo because scum don't try to sweet talk their scumbuddy they've been bussing onto a mislynch wagon unless they are really terrible.
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Is there a wave case outside of the random theory association with me being scum?
I can't describe the case.-
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Whoa, do not know what happened with that sentence. Apologies.In post 1864, frog wrote:Why are you think you there is a problem here? Burden is on you
OK, thanks, that's helpful.In post 1869, Eddie Cane wrote:strongish. not lock town but unless certain things happen I won't be voting him
*Interesting theory stuff that might be a better conversation outside of the gameIn post 1871, Thor665 wrote:
I actually do - it's why I say most reads are inherently bad.
Does it make sense to call them bad if such a great proportion of reads satisfy the word? Wrong is not necessarily bad*
I agree there is no universal way AND HAVE NEVER SAID THERE IS.
So how am I being misdirective exactly?
Misdirective in the sense that your back-and-forths with, say, rb and Eddie Cane did not go anywhere productive. The theory point was separate
My town reads and the timing of his vote.
On the Mulch wagon?
No, burden is on anyone making a claim - which you are doing.
I think there is a problem with an Eddie/Thor combo because scum don't try to sweet talk their scumbuddy they've been bussing onto a mislynch wagon unless they are really terrible.
Are you calling Eddie really terrible, or are you saying that was good play for scumbuddies?
Yes, burden is on me to show why both of you are scum, but you claiming such reads make no sense to hold simultaneously is a positive claim. Like, I can (and have, briefly) explained why I think you are both scum, but I should not have to anticipate 'but that is impossible' from the audience. I don't know what suppositions you will be bringing to others' readslists. Regardless, thank you for the explanation. I am saying neither thing; it has nt factored into my reads.-
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