Newbie 1815: Prisons [Endgame]

[Man With a Plan]

I'm new to Mafia. I've got to wonder how anyone can do any lynching on the first night.

[osuka]

On the first night nobody gets lynched

If you mean on the first day, we go by reads. Pretty much the same process as every other day, except we start off with less information

[NotTheRealPaul]

Ya except no one is posting so maf are gonna get a free win so we get out of RVS.

btw madhatters (I think) ur vote wasnt bolded so it wont count.

You should move it to isuka though so we can scare him with L-1

[NotTheRealPaul]

ebwop (edit by way of post)so maf are gonna get a free win because we wont get out of RVS*

I phone pist 99% of time so expect lots of crappy english from me

[NotTheRealPaul]

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul kinda shifty

whats so shifty about me?

[NotTheRealPaul]

btw im at l-1 so uh. no quixkhammer plz and thank u

[osuka]

No you're not, you're at l-3

And why would you wanna put me at l-1

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 3 osuka ---------- 3 ( hi im yakko, JaeReed, NotTheRealPaul ) L- 2 NotTheRealPaul - 3 ( DoctorPepper, osuka, Icibalus ) L- 2 Not Voting ----- 4 ( Madtatters, Man With A Plan, Ciara24 ) With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-17 16:47:00)

FOS COUNT 1 . 3 NotTheRealPaul - 2 ( osuka, NotTheRealPaul ) Icibalus ------- 1 ( Icibalus ) Not FoS'ing ---- 7 ( DoctorPepper, hi im yakko, JaeReed, Madtatters, Man With A Plan, Icibalus, Ciara24 ) With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-17 16:47:00)

[JaeReed]

Can we break the setup? pleeeease?

I'm in two minds about that.
As an IC and a player I hate the strategy. It does not teach newbies how things are generally done on the site and shifts the focus to setup spec rather than day play.

That said, as far as win con it is currently with this setup still the best course of action, I think?
Meh. I think we should do it since you have to play to win con, ultimately.

I'll make a big post on it once I catch up.

[JaeReed]

is anyone going to post?

We have 2 weeks, so posting can be a bit slower for the first day where everyone still has to check in.
You made this post after about 26ish posts in which there was a back and forth with NTRP and osuka, so this feels kind of out of place for the gamestate.
Are you used to faster paced games?

[JaeReed]

VOTE: NotTheRealPaul kinda shifty

What do you find shifty about NTRP?

[JaeReed]

@Madattters this is RVS, none of the votes are meant to be serious.

The idea is to kickstart discussions quickly.

Now then, I think we should start. Who do you think is scummy and why?

Ciara24 has been pretty quiet. I don't know if that's just me, but they're the only one who hasn't posted. I would assume that everybody would post at least once to get their name up there, even if they're not necessarily going to contribute to the conversation. I feel like Ciara's seeming pretty scummy to me.

Activity is generally not a reliable way to read someone as there are a number of real life reasons that someone could be away from the thread.

[JaeReed]

Alisae is confscum
Why would anyone keep track of votes other than to get town lynched? I say we have our d1 lynch

VOTE: alisae

I feel like osuka's town.

What do you find especially townie about that post?

[JaeReed]

Based on their posts I'm gutreadding Maddatters as town.

You're welcome.

I'm not.

Can you attempt to pinpoint what you like about Madtatters? Is it tone, line of questioning, interactions, the scumread on Ciara, or something else?

[JaeReed]

Osuka has seemed pretty town to me, and you've seemed pretty scummy, icibalus. I sense you and Ciara ate scum.

What are you finding scummy about Icibalus? Can you point to a post that you disliked and try to explain why, please?

[JaeReed]

Ya except no one is posting so maf are gonna get a free win so we get out of RVS.

btw madhatters (I think) ur vote wasnt bolded so it wont count.

You should move it to isuka though so we can scare him with L-1

Why do you scumread osuka?

UNVOTE:

[DoctorPepper]

Icibalus seems like he just wants to sheep osuka. Mos to your posts are just really reminiscent of whatever opinion he has.

[NotTheRealPaul]

im not.....i wanted to get out of rvs so i figured we could get a reaction if we pressured there

ftr i have a slight townlean on osuka but cant discuss why bcuz rules

[NotTheRealPaul]

No you're not, you're at l-3

And why would you wanna put me at l-1

we were both wrong lmao. im l-2. speaking of which why are alisae's vc's so faint. maybe i need to switch my color scheme dang.

i wanna PRESSURE YOU. CAN YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE. THE L-2 PRESSURE.

[JaeReed]

Ok I'm too lazy to make a big post of my own so I went and found some RadiantCowbells ones. I'm not going to force a popcorn, just do it when you see this post.
All we're doing right now is claiming if we are or are not the 1-shot bulletproof.

Claiming not 1-Shot BP.

Spoiler: some posts where RC explains this strat

Subject: Newbie 1775 | URW 2 | Endgame

The correct play at the beginning of D1 in this setup is for the 1-Shot Bulletproof, if any, to claim. This helps town immensely in numerous setups. Why am I advocating this?

1) It is fucking insane for scum to try to claim 1-shot BP in this situation. It is an insane risk play which forces a 1v1 in 5/6 setups and gets minor towncred in 1/6.
2) If the setup is Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/1-Shot BP, it's easy for the BP claim to be disbelieved. The claim coming at the start of the game makes it far more trustworthy.
3) If the setup is Tracker/1-Shot BP/Goon, the Tracker knows that there is no doc and can be a lot safer on claiming. Note that mathematically the correct play is to target the outed tracker if the other PR is not known; so little potential gain is made here.
4) If the setup is Tracker/Doc/Goon, a living tracker will know by the lack of a BP claim that there is a doctor. He can then claim safely and be doctor protected the entire game.

Since the 1-Shot Bulletproof doesn't actually net town a mislynch by being hit it is not actually specifically valuable for it to bait the hit.
This does come at the cost of narrowing down the game possibilities for scum: but I believe that the reward is well worth the price.

Subject: Newbie 1775 | URW 2 | Endgame

So, what SPECIFICALLY am I asking everyone in the game to do?
I am going to start a popcorn order. I am going to go ahead and claim that I am

Not a 1-Shot Bulletproof.

I am going to popcorn on to Drixx.

For the newbies, if your role is 1-Shot Bulletproof you will out as such. If we do not have one, I will explain where we go from there.

Subject: Newbie 1779 | Spring | Endgame

I am going to claim Not 1-Shot Bulletproof.

When you see this post, you are going to respond by either saying

1) I am 1-Shot Bulletproof
OR
2) I am NOT 1-Shot Bulletproof

That means if you are Doctor, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Cop, or VT, you are not 1-shot Bulletproof.

[JaeReed]

Icibalus seems like he just wants to sheep osuka. Mos to your posts are just really reminiscent of whatever opinion he has.

Why do you scumread NTRP more than Icibalus?

[JaeReed]

im not.....i wanted to get out of rvs so i figured we could get a reaction if we pressured there

ftr i have a slight townlean on osuka but cant discuss why bcuz rules

If you have a townlean on osuka then you should move your vote.

There is nothing to be gained by voting a townread over a scumread or null read. Your vote is your intent to lynch.

[NotTheRealPaul]

fine whatevs.

VOTE: Jae

Not BP

lets break the fucking game yaaaaaaaaaa

[Madtatters]

Based on their posts I'm gutreadding Maddatters as town.

You're welcome.

I'm not.

Can you attempt to pinpoint what you like about Madtatters? Is it tone, line of questioning, interactions, the scumread on Ciara, or something else?

Be careful what you wish for.

[NotTheRealPaul]

claim BP/not BP or I will lynch u