Kidney Mafia (Game Over)

[grapes]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[grapes]

you guys are having way too much fun

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VOTE: Carcalilly

for the record was nodding along with the hebichan runup too; but let's see what happens

[grapes]

also grapes was your vote on pv memes or a real vote

real vote

why do you think carca is town?

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Jokes aren't scummy friend. Bad jokes are probably a towntell.

He didn't say the joke was scummy, though.

pedit: hopkirk can be town

pedit: Starting to think you're telling the truth.

You do that iso yet?

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Last part was @ lasagna

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I'm here.

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rb who's scum?

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What is he saying then? That post is kind of a struggle to read.

He's saying that the absence of genuine solving in the place of awkward jokes is scummy and I somewhat agree.

I didn't think carcalilly would a thing that needed to be sold that iso should speak for itself but I can try once I respond to things.

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rb who's scum?

you or hopkirk tbh

I don't think hopkirk comes into the game as scum with a post you can poke a bunch of holes into.
And I'm town and haven't done anything to earn a scumread.

When did your read on gerry change?

[grapes]

grapes what's up with you only talking to rb rn?

did you wanna talk to me about something?

[grapes]

think that would be more productive then you guys fighting or w/e right now at any rate

im also trying to read a bunch of pages but i can multitask

pedit: yup

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i can kinda see why she thinks she's town

would scum!hebi be this blatantly scummy as scum?

iono.

Can you just help me wagon narna?

I just, genuinely don't care what you think of my play right now as narna is blatantly fakeclaiming at me.

VOTE: narna

So taking this at face value might've been forgivable but carca not too long ago agreed with gerry that hebi had posted something tantamount to a scumclaim, this is just one new example but it's taking a lot for me to believe this is someone making an honest effort at trying to solve the game.

i kinda liked narna prodding him for that btw.

thought the same thing

I explicitly asked Narna if he was serious.

As far as I'm aware, Lycan was nobody. My word document, formed while reading 21 pages of shitposting, surprisingly became less detailed after a while, to the point of saying things like 'Lycan is ok'. I also have no idea where in the document I wrote that, relative to other stuff.

F A K E R E A D S

I see we finally made this a meme

grapes what's up with you only talking to rb rn?

did you wanna talk to me about something?

dunno about them but i do!

could you vote rb?

Dunno maybe.
Let me take in the game somore I'll get back to you got a little bit of freedom today

[grapes]

snip

Can you explain the torgonedoh, grapes, hebi and can it reads?

The most thought put into a read here (at least at face value) is zach and that's kinda weird because millers usually work themselves out? Are you still weighing the claim in with your read or what?

What did you think about sly asking to get mason'd?

[grapes]

dunn is interacting with me he's probably town

Was this serious?

[grapes]

mafia is a game

[grapes]

dayvig one of the lurkers lol

My choice is torg

Second choice is wings

This reminds me

@mod

wings getting replaced or what's good with that

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I've got this ocd thing where it feels dirty to solve without at least a post from all the slots

I can't be the only one

pedit: hi narna we need to have a conversation

pedit: kirby is always town

pedit: ya bins I was gonna say it was weird to tr dunn for interation or w/e because his posts didn't do anything to open a dialogue but you posted something else later on that corrected it so we're good

[grapes]

Hey zach

[grapes]

your vote sucks

pedit: lol

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VOTE: gonkdaboop taskmaster

This vote makes me feel things

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Let's converse about this

Keep getting distracted from reading but if you need an answer now I would vote rb/vedith if it came down to it; haven't been impressed by any of his pushes and when I tried to talk to him about reads I got completely brushed off.

My biggest dilemma at the moment is that it's pretty unlikely carca and rb are scum together for more than a few reasons; and carca is pretty blatantly scum

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Na i dont care

quitting mafia after this game

speedynch me or w/e

im Heart, 2-shot doctor

literally pointless playing mafia on this account at this stage

Does town rb find the wagon on him insurmountable

and also

so unjustified that he ends up getting into a personal dispute out of frustration?

[grapes]

Okay fun part.

Bins is town VOTE: Grapes

Town

VOTE: grapes

Mebbe town

VOTE: grapes

what is this too

Scum.

*clicks next button on kindle*
*hits a page 4 pages forward FMLLLLLLLLLLL*

I've been reading for the past idk 30 minutes to an hour finally caught up brain feels like mush
Narna is town
rb is town
Zach is also town idk why dunn sr's him I'll ask more
Hebi I want to read more
Bins is a scum lean
I tr kraska head but I hard sr transcend head he's acting like a princess trying not to step on anyones toes I don't really have much else to comment on although I prob shouldn't have started to read for like idk ho long LOL
VOTE: Lasbot
~Maria

This is still technically a part of my runup because it happened directly in the middle of it and I gotta say one head half defending me and shading people for voting me when I haven't done much while the other head is doing stuff like this ^ IE off in outer space is making me squint pretty hard.

Carca be a doll and wagon this for me

Jokes aren't scummy friend. Bad jokes are probably a towntell.

He didn't say the joke was scummy, though.

pedit: hopkirk can be town

pedit: Starting to think you're telling the truth.

You do that iso yet?

ok

VOTE: grapes

Scum.

Assures the PV vote is real but doesn't explain why. He asks for your read on Carca instead of pressuring her at all.

PV was based on early game stuff that after looking back at the next day was me probably reading into a bit too much. Like his entire conversation with gonk about omgus came off really stilted and bad like the kind of thing scum try and do; get people in a gotcha moment on stuff that doesn't matter and play around with semantics. But that may just be how pere scumhunts to put it nicely.

Asking why someone is townreading a scumread is pressuring as a matter of fact.

He answers for someone else and doesn't see the glaring problem in Hopkirk's posting around that time. He's just giving out a single townread because ???

It was a kneejerk quick townread yea I wasn't looking to get townread off of it I was just giving a thought directly as it came to me.

VOTE: grapes

Going with town.

VOTE: grapes

Fine, fine, its not like the slot is exactly good otherwise.

Town but not sure if the quip is directed at me or not.

VOTE: grapes

Mebbe town.

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VOTE: Arcade Pals

[grapes]

please can we have a nice conversation

Who do you think is scum?

[grapes]

Any reason why you're voting me over all of those guys?

Can you try and recall what exactly stuck out as town to you from arcade pals?

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VOTE: Carcalilly
Just gonna get back on here don't mind me.

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I think narna is town and there's an okay chance they're not a doctor.

I'm gonna be stuck on carcalilly forever so that flip would be great; there isn't really an explanation for screwing up your narrative that hard I would buy.

Would also lynch Arcade pals; on a skim the wagon looks decent but wanna read for detail.

@Trans: I think we leave pork to the vig but letting you know I'm with you on that.

@GR: What slots do you have the most conflicted reads on atm?

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VOTE: Arcade Pals

VOTE: Carcalilly
Just gonna get back on here don't mind me.

What changed your mind between these posts?

-Dunn

I've started catching up with MariaR - I read through the ~16 pages I missed this morning

Well a couple things happened, everyone but me hopped off carca so my vote wasn't doing anything and I wanted to help the new momemtum happening on your slot.

Carca got caught townreading and scumreading narna

at the same time

so things started to shift back towards them and that's my preferred lynch.

[grapes]

gerry might be scum

Luvs entrance was good

[grapes]

gonkbadoop taskmaster (hydra of schadd_ and gigabyteTroubadour) - vague memories of giga from another games, seems like she/he replaced out at some point, i could be forgetting. no memory of schadd. i've read the entire game and i can't recall one thing said by this slot/hydra. NULL
SlySly - OBVTOWN
hebichan - pushing shade on me, likely scum
Lycanfire - vague memory from previous game. No memory from this game immediately entering my mind. Null
Bins - this slot is striking me as town for some reason
POWERFUL WARRIOR (hydra of hiplop and The Bulge) - OBVTOWN
Spiffeh - probTown
Lil Uzi Vert - almost certainly scum because of the Luc -i -fer spin by whoever that was
gerryoat - leaning town
PeregrineV - too active for D1 for townPerV, yet his frequency is resonating at OBVTOWN
Arcade Pals (hydra of Dunnstral and MariaR) - gotta be town or Dunn would have already scum slipped.
Hopkirk - Null
torgonitoh - Null
Transcend Lasagne Bot (hydra of kraska77 and Transcend) - trying to forget the meltdown and fallout from the replacements, throwing shade on me, likely scum
Carcalilly - Null
Can It (hydra of chamber and Cheetory6) - a picture is worth a thousand words, but a picture with words is better. Wanting to lean town just because art is cool. Null
Game Replacement rb - I believe the claim. TR
Narna - feeling like townNarna to me
TPFKAP - ??? - Null
grapes - Null
Zachstralkita - miller claim makes worthless slot imo

UNVOTE: Zachstralkita
VOTE: hebichan because you were the first one in the list that i found scummy according to my reads list. i will gladly sheep POWERFUL WARRIOR if he votes one of your buddies.

With regards to your gonk read; do you not find a slot that's posted a lot of content leaving almost no impression on you alignment indicative? And if not then why make mention of it?

Why is Powerful warrior obvtown?
Why is gerry leaning town?

What about how the claim was done looked to you? How are you reading GRs posts?

pedit: Is that hammer?

[grapes]

Flavor?

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Get the fuck off my wagon right now you scum fucks we're not scum cause if I was I'd kick all your asses now lynch fucking transcend Game replacement is town and these wagons are getting powerlynched by scum because everyone is okay with the same 2 wagons because SCUM LIKE BOTH OF THEM jesus people mafia 101 and you can't do shit
~Maria

this was kinda ew but if u do flip town then I'm K with lynching trans

We should flashwagon this

[grapes]

Do scum claim ninja?

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Vote: Arcade Pals

I mean this alone is making me rethink

[grapes]

Which carcalilly votes are not to your satisfaction?

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That too.

It's also day 1.

And I'm not really recalling too much difference in traction from the arcade wagon either except like gerry and torg trading places off the top of my head.

[grapes]

Pretty sure bins was townreading them?

arcade pals had gerry and porkens; the superior wagon is clear here

pedit: @lycan

[grapes]

Like if you're going to discredit the wagon on the basis of composition then let's stop being vague and shoot the shit with me about how any of spiff/hebi/zach/bins and i are scummy that should be a pretty interesting conversation.

[grapes]

hey guys remember Welcome to Typhon

That was a fun game.

Not gonna lie I completely forgot dunn fakeclaimed pt checker there.

@dunn What kinds of reactions were you looking for from me on your claim? Because even if I had a good enough memory on stuff like that you literally can't be a cult leader

[grapes]

@hebichan what's your read on me?

[grapes]

narna please

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I find it weird too.

Waiting on gonk, sly and lycan to get back to me on some things in particular.

Though I'm not holding my breath on lycan- I'm not sure where to begin and end on what's all too serious from him outside his arcade pals read.

[grapes]

Why is Lily even voting for grapes?

Not so much why.

But why is it still there 5 million pages later.

[grapes]

Probably being a scumlurk

[grapes]

Carcalilly (7)- grapes, Bins, Zachstralkita, hebichan, Spiffeh, Game Replacement, Gorkington

oh hell no lol

I know you scumread game but this implies you have issues more than that I haven't seen you talk about

[grapes]

Probably being a scumlurk

Nah, he's super town.

You're gonna need to walk me through that one

[grapes]

I learn a fuck ton if we lynch game replacement

Such as

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I was expecting at least a little skepticism instead of immediately believing me actually

What gave you the impression I immediately believed it

[grapes]

@hiplop again what do you learn from a GR flip?

Can you humor me and think of some alignments made more clear on a carca scumflip because I can think of plenty.

And what do you mean by working out the claims? Do you think we should speedlynch narna if gr flisp doc?

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@Arcade pals
Again didn't bring up typhon because I didn't remember your claim there.
Albeit scattershotted those posts should indicate that I was at least somewhat rattling my brain about your claim.

My read on carca was always a good bit stronger than my read on you.

Plus you're pretty much a cop check and aren't a good day 1 lynch regardless of my read on you and fwiw your content has started to improve anyway, shrug.

[grapes]

Alright why not
VOTE: TRPAKP

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Nice bus carca

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As far as spiffeh goes I don't really see the scum motive in trying to get can it to play the game conventionally. Especially if gork can read him.

Unless it was... scum theater...

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grapes I'd like to cordially invite you to the (real) town bloc of Justice.

About time

[grapes]

When has trying to line up night actions ever worked for you guys anyway I can think of like one time in 5 years.

I say let them use best judgment.

[grapes]

At any rate think we should slow down here a bit and let the slower people catch up and give content.

Get a claim from porkens.

And then decide which of game/pork/carca is the best lynch; they're all pretty good flips in their own right if I'm honest. not sure what more you can ask for on day 1 so well done gang.

[grapes]

Sly why is gerry a townleand and why is PW obvtown? Particularly at the time of your readslist.

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grapes, how do you feel about the wagon on Carc getting to L-1 and then dissolving?

Game's been buttery.
Also think town's been driving for the most part.
Hasn't really dissolved completely either.

Calling it null but could potentially be interesting to look back at later.

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Why did you leave it?

Your flashwagon looked fun/whimsy; I like to be a team player on occasion.

How do you feel about carca softing/crumbing vt?

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Sly why is gerry a townleand and why is PW obvtown? Particularly at the time of your readslist.

I agree with almost 100% of everything gerry has said.

PW is null at best. At the time, I was enjoying the playstyle. As you can see, I have not sheeped him once since my initial declaration that I would.

I'm a bit confused because my biggest takeaway from gerry is his push on hebi; which feels a bit forced for lack of nuance. Like, what else are you resonating with there?

And are you saying that your read on their slot wasn't completely serious or? Like I'm not sure how playstyle equates to obvtown or how what they had done up until that point was a playstyle persay but more of just playing up their hydra name a couple times.

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VOTE: SlySly

[grapes]

I think TPF and carca are town now. /shameless 180s

pedit: she pretty much is

[grapes]

What if SlySly and Arcade are scum buds

[grapes]

The reason for not reading is because I lot of what I saw while skimming what more personal fights and/or 'meme' posting.

This seems awfully paranoid. You scum?

What do you even mean by this

and how can scum be paranoid to start with

[grapes]

You clearly stated no masonry, you can't search for PT or QT

Some scum have gotta be pushing this angle

Like sly have you rolled mason before y or no?

[grapes]

Please don't trust anything flip scum say lol

This post screams mafia to me

Do you think Luv takes the angle of "I'm lol hammering everything that gets to L1 except for GR" if they're buddies? Because that seems really bold.

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grapes, what are your thoughts on hopkirk?

Thinking town from rb interactions tbh

[grapes]

Well no duh but I'm wondering if that's a thing he'd come right out and say

in thread

a buncha times.

I don't know how luv plays you apparently do

pedit @ gary

[grapes]

grapes, what are your thoughts on hopkirk?

Thinking town from rb interactions tbh

Can you reference/quote a few

Do you think he's scum or something?

Have you read his iso recently?

[grapes]

grapes, what are your thoughts on hopkirk?

Thinking town from rb interactions tbh

Can you reference/quote a few

Do you think he's scum or something?

Have you read his iso recently?

Yes and Yes

So you think he comes into the game bussing rb

What was the pressure on rb like when he hopped in I can't really recall

[grapes]

Zach seems like a pretty bad vig

[grapes]

From votes he wasn't being pressured yet

So then why does it look like a buss to you?

[grapes]

Uzi what are your scumreads ?

[grapes]

Hebi is complaining a lot while not doing a lot.

Unfortunately i mostly townread my entire wagon except for Hopkirk

Does this come from scum RB with the later explosion as context? Seems less likely than from town.

If Arcade pals is a PT checker then a scum neighbourizer seems highly plausible. If so then scum could provide 'evidence' that both AP and GR are scum, making us lynch both. A simple roleblocker also means we are stuck in the same scenario we are now. Given (as of page 90 something) I townread GR and scumread AP (one but not both), I see no value in this.

Okay Dunn you actually got me to read his iso instead of skim so congrats.

He kinda goes from scumreading rb to townreading GR.

If they're buddies does it seem plausible hopkirk misplaces his read on a buddy like this after a replace out? Could this have been faked?

@Hopkirk- Can you please go into detail about how your thoughts on rb changed from the time you voted/unvoted him until here. And explain what happened on page 90 and what you mean precisely about (one but not both). That's just an odd line because if I'm not seeing mention of one or both of those slots affecting your read of the other one anywhere; and if you're talking about you weighing arcade and rb's alignments and didn't mistake GR for rb can you explain the progression between these two posts.

[grapes]

game still sucks tbh

s

Kindof a scum post.

[grapes]

Uzi what are your scumreads ?

I did a soft reset but if I had to answer..

{Bins, Lily, Gonk, PW, TP,}

Some Vecna paranoia as usual..

Hrm.
Let's talk about gonk?
I can kinda predict the conversation for the rest of these.

[grapes]

Vote grapes?

How about no

[grapes]

Mhm that was my first time modding actually

[grapes]

VOTE: gerryoat

Got a chance to sit down and read some stuff and feel really good about a lynch here.

Decided that Sly will be easier to sort tomorrow; but in the meantime I'd like to know why he voted arcade pals at daystart when he had the result he did, and why he hesitated to vote hebichan.

[grapes]

Would wait on policy lynching RC for a less interesting day probably; day after a scumflip there's too much momentum we stand to lose and everyone should have actual scumreads.

Plus he's sorting... I think...

This game is so weird

[grapes]

looking at the playerlist though i feel like we're working with a really tight POE right now - hebi, lycan, gerry, pv, hopkirk, toroginitoh, trans, raybells, vecna, and grapes

Would like peoples thoughts on this ^

[grapes]

Why are you townreading gerry?

[grapes]

@RC

she might be on a different scumteam, but idk

scumslip?

yes, i scumslipped saying that you might be on a different scumteam than vedith

Only time he interacts with carca that I'm seeing; not sure what's town about this. Carca read progression in general started and has stayed a white knight all game. The reasons for that wagon were pretty justified like carca even admitted it herself; thinking this is more scum indicative than town if carca's town which is where I'm leaning at the moment especially after the GR flip.


and gerry revolving all his reads around caught scum wifom is actually pretty bad; especially considering bins already made a good point that GR was just listing off the names of who was online at the time; gerry keeps the scumread though because "lol you're still scum by rb interactions yesterday anyway"

I'm mostly squinting at rb interactions and overall staleness.


There are some turnarounds, yea

But hebi was after she claimed mason..

And the arcade turnaround you quoted isn't bad admittedly but if gerry's scum 4195 means he never really planned to keep the tr there in the first place. (and it's a slot that he has scum motivation to fake a little bit of progression on because of who's in the hydra) add that to there not being anywhere close to as much thought put into reads on like.. any other slots including his stronger scumreads and yea I'm actually more happy with where my vote's at now heh

[grapes]

seems p reasonable at a glance

s

Excellent

Anybody else?

[grapes]

trans you wanna vote gerry?

pretty sure that's scum

[grapes]

skeleman now say many goatman. see 330, 362, 365, 366, 370, 373. was hope other mans pick, go away when no mans pick.

goatman is goodmans

Let's talk about this because my takeaway was completely different.

To start with I feel like rb's gerry read was taken from the ether; got me into the idea that his gerry vote was to create space.

Reasoning was because gerryoat was trying. Ok let's look at gerry's posts before the vote.

Spoiler:

Go post!

is that dunn or maria posting rn

i havent even read anything lol

i just said i didnt read i figured this was RVS so i just skipped. do i really have to read

lasagne has a baby bunny as an avi. more likely to sheep

is that dunn or maria posting rn

Dunn

damn. if it was maria i was gonna vote you and then leave

Oh I claim Town by the way, haha.

VOTE: zach

hebichan is mafia, but im gonna vote this for fun

I can be long, or I can be short.
I can be grown, and I can be bought.
I can be flashy, or left bare.
I can be round, or I can be square.

What am I?

only maf would be wrong

VOTE: hebichan

gerry = hair

wrong, but good guess

Hey Zach, do you townread me?

I have quite the wagon already, so if you don't, that vote seems rather odd.

send this slot to the shadow realm. this post was a scumclaim

if hebichan is not mafia then zach and dunn are maf together. or all 3 are maf. lol

After actually quoting these posts myself I will say that, although the majority of the posts lack content, I can kinda see the angle rb was going for here but that doesn't turn me off to the idea that this was distancing altogether because when you buss you like it to be at least for semi-good reasons. Bit of a stretch but eh, still makes me wonder why he opted to go the gerry path vote-wise > zach who he earlier on said had scumclaimed. Makes this still stick out in other words.

Now this upcoming interaction is what's making me squint the most:

VOTE: gerryoat

Gerryoat is trying

This is unprecedented

He's probably scum

how many times do people have to be wrong about bad meta before they realize its bad meta?

also i havent even been trying so far, so this post is really bad. rb might be mafia here

holy shit

gerry actually responding to posts

ok humour me, why are you diverting from the style of play ive seen you do as town multiple times now where you just enter thread, say "x is mafia" and disappear for 2 more days and then repeat "i really think x is mafia"

bad attempt to deflect, this is still scum.

but i will humour you. Because i don't play the same way as either town or mafia.

this is the most proactive and engaged ive seen you ever be in the 4 games exp i have with you

so why would that lead you to believe that i'm mafia?

So they both insta-scumread each other and find fault in just about everything the other person does.

Like, not sure what rb is deflecting from here; the angle is actually pretty reasonable from what I know of gerry.

And in the last quote gerry asks a question he should already know the answer to.

Scum/scum interaction probably.


And torg I don't really agree that rb moving away from gerry when nobody else picked him is cause to think he's town. Because gerry did have people on his case; me and hebi just to give a few examples off the top of my head. rb not revisiting that just makes me beg the question why he didn't put effort into doing his share of keeping gerry a viable mislynch.

What did you think of his interactions/progress on the slot once GR entered the game?

[grapes]

Why are we sheeping claimed scum

[grapes]

Then help me make this gerry wagon happen.

Dude's evidently not worried about getting wagoned but his last 10 posts have been dedicated to wanting to know the case on him.

Luv's town.

[grapes]

Grapes I'm not saying you're scum with LUV

But if you are, let his Lynch go through rather than antagonize me by calling me claimed scum.

I will chill the fuck out after LUV flips scum.

You are claimed scum, though.

I don't even know why you think luv is scum either and I'd be lying if I said I thought you could change my mind there, but maybe a bit of articulation would make me less apathetic watching you get sheeped for no reason while my gerry push gets tuned out.

[grapes]

Okay, you aren't town.

Do I think you could be a survivor? Possible. Would I bet the game on it? Nah probably not.

Could you be scum? Maybe, would be a far out play but possible if you think you can strongarm the playerlist.

Could you be some other kind of thirdy party? Sure.

Especially if you've got a partner out there (not sure if this part of your claim was just bs but) they could carry the torch for you after you're dead. This kinda makes more sense as to why you outted so early.

Like, push your skeptics all you like but there's a certain alignment more prone to taking things at face value.
I understand that's a fundamental of crowd control but remember what team you're pretending to play for.

[grapes]

I get that, I've played third party, been outed, drew my omgus blade and cut down everything in sight.

But also understand that I'm not just talking about me.

[grapes]

saying no scum bused is especially silly

hopkirks reads are weird that might actually be scum

bins might be scum but not with gerry

Thank GOD pere didn't get replaced...



I'm not sure it's the GAME that's getting apathetic but this DAY.

So let's just hammer luv I guess; I'm busy as fuck the next few days anyway and my favorite vote has got people looking at me like I'm that crazy dude who sits in the corner at the bar whispering to the walls.

But since luv is my scumbuddy I guess I'm obligated to ask if the few people I saw sring gonk would mind getting something going there?
Because In all seriousness I think that's the most likely scumflip out of stuff that has the support.

[grapes]

I feel like that wouldn't be optimal ^


if it's me I check gerry and I

[grapes]

or maybe two lurkers? I guess I get the thought process behind trying to target a townread adn a scumread but at least we're clearing up two hard reads once the dust settles one way or another.

I dunno; do you slysly.

VOTE: Uzi


townflip tbh

[grapes]

that emoji just made yawn irl

what

[grapes]

Did a refresh on PW; not a bad flip at all

@mod

votecount?

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I've gone back and forth on this but if lycan and rc are survivors I can kinda see where the mods were coming from if I squint. It's a role that has a super hard time winning alone and maybe the mods have some connection to it and wanted to giving it a boost, push the envelope a bit, put a new spin on something that's collected a lot of cobwebs.

I agree with Pere that it's almost suicidal as a scum gambit.
But for whatever reason I'm still hesitating to take them off the table completely.

A part of me is really interested to see one of them flip, which depending on what happens could completely alleviate town's paranoia forcing scum to make a move; either kill the other or play odds and see who they side with in lylo if it gets there, any other game the prospect of that would completely turn me off but with how clusterfucky this has been; almost seems like an all too perfect way to end it.


I'd say the chances of the game continuing on after we lynch through gerry, powerful warrior, gonkbadoop, hopkirk and possibly slysly to be pretty low.

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Naw. I didn't get him to l-1 to fuck around waiting for a claim. S0mebody hammer.

Calm yo tits, porky

pedit: I mean yea I'd be down for that as well.

I'm kinda confused why you're reading lycan any differently than you're reading rc, though.

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I don't mind the powerful lunch but it looks too easy

Do you think a survivor faction means more or less reds?

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RC might be a solo independent who attracted a "partner" in lycanfire. If we lynch RC, and he was telling the truth, we don't really know what lycan is because there is the possibility that he was lying and just accepting the invitation to fake claim. If we lynch lycan fire, we know that rc is or isn't what he claims to be.

You look quite dashing in that tinfoil hat, good sir.

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VOTE: gerryoat

This please.

Or gonk I suppose.
Or maybe spiffeh.

Where be slysly

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why would mafia keep no killing, that's stupid

I agree with the scum

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^ scum

Vote me then big boy

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it's mafia, 3p and town. i dont think 2 mafias anymore. i'm fine with keeping RC alive, we need to go back to the day 1 lynch and see who resisted it the most before either jumping on or not getting on at all

Can you run everyone through your theory on why you think scum would have resisted a lynch on a buddy who was cc'd (twice i think?)?

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The nk doesn't make any sense, unless scum thought it was multiball for some weird reason

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unless you're not reading the game, he wasnt cc'd again until after votes were already on him when vecna replaced in

This doesn't answer my question btw

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I refuse to believe atleast one mafia didnt bus. but its hard to say where.

You or gonk tbh.

The vote order isn't perfectly reflective of opportunism there either because I recall some people hopping off and back on again around deadline, you and gonk weren't a part of that because you weren't around for the rabble. It was some quick traction on either carca or porky iirc.

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Like I've mentioned before this game has be pretty free flowing as far as votes and wagons go and I'll reread eod1.

Current working theory is that there was maybe one scum with some guts who tried to swing away from GR or they just lurked it out hoping it would go away and if not they're already committed to the wagon and get towncred anyway.

I don't understand what rb having been cc'd twice vs once has to do with how inevitable scum thought his lynch was, in retrospect there were other lynches that maybe could have happened but GR expiration date was up all the same at some point.

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they thought it was multiball probably so they would be very unlikely to bus

You didn't claim until day 2, so they didn't really have much reason to even think about multi until then unless I'm forgetting something

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Transcend and grapes have the same alignment.

Helpful

my mind had quick flashes of a transcend/slysly scumteam

but helpful

cuz id be lying if i said i felt town at all this game

feels good to finally be able to say that

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Remember guys

Arcade could be a pt checker

and also be scum

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do you know how bad fkap becomes if Arcade is legit?

They become kinda confirmed town?

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Unless you think scum doesn't have a private topic which would be weird because the kidneys had one

pedit: yah I think gonk sounded like a slightly better compromise but I can't say I'm like hard townreading arcade or anything

pedit: I don't get what your referencing there carca

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fair point
traitors/other weird prs could exist though
If there's a 'pt checker' then there has to be some stuff to balance it out.

yea
but if all i had to go on for porky was play I'd still lean town

And there's been masons, a neighborizor, and other things I can't think of right now to nerf the pt checker


That in itself makes me meh to whole thing about sly and arcade not both being town which I think is the backbone to the wagon there tbh
I'm also not without my paranoia of slysly who claimed much later with more information

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I realize you guys like to go fast but I for one would appreciate a prod/replace on gonk before we even think about ending the day here.


I'm also hesitating to read into the wagon dissolving without word from them at all but it's difficult to not at least have that in the back of my mind.

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Hi arcade

what are your reads looking like atm?

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Because if you lied about a result we kinda need to know

And if you still have shots you should have another result right now

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Okay why did you lie about your check that seems really bad

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lol

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No he means that scum roleblocked them and think they're different scum fakeclaiming because they didn't claim to be blocked.




I dunno guys are scum this sloppy?

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I can't tell if RC is trolling town by trying to drum up sk paranoia or actually has inside info..

Anyways, gonna put gerry on the backburner.
gonk I think looks a bit better after the arcade flip?
hopk town mebbe but don't really know waffle there lots.
zito town? zito town.
sly's town.
porky is sk if there is one... otherwise town
hey vecna how's it going
lilcarca twon

I'd lynch spiffeh
VOTE: spiffeh

Or bins.

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First night with two kills and it's day 5...

Did trans hit a pgo or something?

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Cuz I'm thinking; okay why does an sk hold onto shots for so long just to shoot now.

Were they afraid of trackers and stuff? Meh? Maybe? But having the playerlist under the impression that there's no sk is much better cover and they were well on their way with that until now if that's the case.

Maybe the clears/obvtowns were starting to stack up too much? But why trans when his flip clears me? And if you're an sk not taking shots how much can one day hurt your position and who does that really point to? Arcade's flip didn't immediately doom anyone to my eye even after skimming their iso.

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Thought you weren't bp? :p


I'd buy that for zach and lycan.

But then what happened the night hebi died.

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To be more clear; zach and lycan both seem more like sk kills because an sk probably wants to at least claim vig as a last ditch effort + they're also scum hunting to some degree, right?

Unless they're going back and forth between scumhunting on some nights and killing obvious town on other nights..

Who in this playerlist is that methodical?