In post 387, Dark Horse wrote:At this point it feels like robb and eddie are clogging up the thread more than anything else.
maybe the rest of the game could try posting? you're almost all idling.
In post 388, Robbnva wrote:
Wish this sir had this
You should believe me though. I'm being completely honest. If at the end of the day I'm wrong, I'll take that hit but I genuinely find ps's actions scummy and Eddie hasn't done anything remotely town looking.
Eddie can say whatever he wants to discredit me but he doesn't know me. He's saying my playstle makes me scum. That's flawed logic and that's all he has to hang his hat on. My play style may be scummy to some people but it doesn't make me scum.
I am not saying your playstyle makes you scum...? when have I even mentioned your playstyle? if you're trying to say you have a meta of deathtunnelling page 11, meta doesn't matter, remember?
you're literally using your case on me and filling it in. just because you are scumreading me for shitposting doesn't mean you aren't scum for overplaying an rvs argument.
In post 389, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Eddie's comment about me being conftown when Robb flips red rang hollow/not sincere for some reason, but I'm really tired and can't make my words do what they're supposed to do.
I did go read back, however, and right now my overall tone read is that Robb is reacting to Eddie, not the other way 'round. That to me says that Robb's reactions benefit Eddie in some manner. Whether that's obscure personal satisfaction or because he's scum, I think is important to figure out soon.
UNVOTE:
I'm second guessing enough that I don't want to contribute to your wagon if it takes off while I'm sleeping.
lol
In post 390, nancy wrote:@Eddie where in particular do you get the feeling that monkey is being LAMIST? I haven't gotten that sense from them a great deal (last game I played with monkey where he was scum he was super LAMIST). What about
34 from Robbnva makes you think he's just scum? Not really sure why Robbnva's push on your slot looks so overwhelmingly scum to you; Robbnva's reasoning seems pretty understandable if obviously pretty wrong; if he's the type of player to deathtunnel out of earlygame I'm not sure that that's going to be the best way to sort him; don't feel like he's grabbing for reasoning here in the way that I think he might if he were scum here; you seem to be scumreading him for what feels to me like equally dubious reasons - you're accusing him of not sorting you but you seem to be treating him in pretty much the same way; can't say I'm a huge fan of you leveraging your predecessor's newbie status as a basis for scumreading Robbnva. How much of a tendency do you have for OMGUS? Why is Ginngie tilted town; what do you mean by that? Don't really agree that the sequence you quoted is especially unlikely to come from buds; agree that they're probably unaligned but
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48 is probably more indicative of that than anything; don't think the way that Tchill has townread Robb comes from partners pretty much ever. Don't think your slot's alignment is especially relevant to the interaction either way.
@monkey forgot to answer this earlier but you feel different too; not sure if you're aware of the difference or not but I wouldn't mind hearing about that; this is basically how I play when I'm not trolling around - Transcend's game wasn't representative of my normal play at all, especially not over the past fortnight or so (recently decided to make a pretty conscious change to my play); it's interesting that you found me intimidating there - didn't think I really was. Would be pretty helpful if you were able to dedicate some time to the game before deadline; haven't seen much from you since earlygame and I think you're probably a slot that I can sort pretty easily if I get a lot of content from you - I like what I've seen so far for the most part but your activity seems to be a problem here; your read on Tchill is a little weird and I'd like it if you were able to lock down your stance on that, especially given he seems to be one of the leading wagons right now; why would hearing his explanation for the WIFOM argument in particular make him town to you - that feels like a pretty easy criterion to fulfil and I'm not sure what you're looking for there exactly or why that would dispel your other concerns about the slot.
@massive agree that Dark Horse would probably be more likely to follow me on Ari if he were scum and Ari were town; don't think his reasoning for not doing so was particularly good; don't think that that stance from him is very good reasoning for a townread. What game with Ari did you play where he looked like he does here? Not sure what the accepted meta read of Ari is that you're referring to; my understanding of his meta is pretty much as I described it in
263 even if that was a rushed post from me; he tends to active lurk as scum and is pretty much incapable of passing off his scumhunting as town at all - probably worth mentioning that I recently townread scum!Ari for pretty much the same reasons that you/Gin/Horse are here - didn't think it was worthwhile pursuing a scumread early game and more or less assumed that he was town even though what he was posting wasn't anything very good; the fact that I have something of a scumread on him here gives me pretty bad feelings about the slot overall; I'm used to just automatically wanting to townread him and I haven't gotten that feeling at all this game.
@Gin I engage with you because I'm apparently a masochist with a misguided sense of duty. Still don't think there's ever been a point in any game we've had together where you've actually engaged with me on anything in a genuine way - I think you're a good player as either alignment but trying to have a conversation with you in mafia games feels like shredding my nails as I scale an interminable wall. Literally impossible to get a read on you when you barely talk about your reads at all and your pushes are always phenomenally bad.
monkey appeals to general interest. idk. i get the vibe he always wants to appear the good guy. posts like 56, 60, 77. don't know if that's just him as a player but it seems like he wants to lead town without getting blood if that makes sense. might just be tinfoiling.
I'll analyze 34 specifically for you, sure. it's super awkward, he assigns meaning to an rvs vote (you gave a reason it's not technically rvs xDDdd). he already hinted at his future death tunnel. that's right. on an rvs vote. to top it off some useless theory babble back at ginngie that doesn't help the game at all and doesn't really make sense... you can totally be anything as scum, does that invalidate virtually every tell you use? it's just filler.
and then the big thing. i have no choice but to vote him. if he's going to deathtunnel me he's a direct liability to town. even if he's town that's not only a town vote we can't use but it's also fuel for scum to try and mislynch me later. though, I do think he's probably scummy. I've broken out of tunnels lots of times before, I never get fully tunnelled and always consider the other person. literally my first game on this alt I tunnelled boon d1 until he had a huge ate reaction and push came to shove and we ended up tring each other. i also voted my town read in lylo who was scum because I can change reads, but unf. massive wasn't on to unvote and we lost. regardless, there's countless examples of me breaking out of tunnels and if you're good friends with transcend you probably agree I know what I'm doing generally. the point of this random old meta dive? i can break out of tunnels. robb can prove he's town if he is. instead, he's ignoring half my posts directed at or about him, refusing to interact with me, and deathtunnelling me for shitposting and my predecessors rvs. that's not town play. could I be wrong? ya. do I think I am? no. am I going to get the chance to find out? considering at this point he seems pretty obnoxious as a player, probably not, but I've got along worse and became friends with them before so I won't say never. i am trying to sort him, I don't see his play as town. i can also tell you I've seen some things thst make me doubt my scumread on him, but nothing strongly and when I've tried to interact with him he's shut me down.
as for the newbie part, I pride myself on my abilities to read newbies. i have a newbie interaction with robb to analyze, and subbing in gives me the advantage of knowing someone else's role pm and analyzing their interactions like so. my beginner counterpart was clearly flustered town, and I probably would've scumread any experienced player who read them worse than null. now I know they are town for a fact and don't have the doubt so that's stronger. i find it hard to believe a player from 2010 is this incapable at reading new players. newer players going by the wiki, sure, but not someone like robb who from what I get the feel of has played lots for ages. i am going to use every interaction Persephone had and robbs are bad. his interactions with me are some mighty fine icing. if he's town, he's probably going to stop derping and tr me soon. also, I omgus lots, but it's just part of my game persona as both alignments and doesn't really carry outside of games bar rare exceptions (this is not one). i believe omgus is useful in ways but I'm not going to share personal theory here rn so I'll leave it at that. i omgus a lot of the time tho almost every game rofl
t chill is interesting. I'm waffling on him rn so I'll have to get back to you. if he's town and robb is town massive is probably scum but not really strong on that and don't care to go into why. I'm not strongly against his lynch if that's the question, but rn id go 60/40 town. robb being scum is part of why. they aren't partners. ginngie is tilted town because he thinks t chill is scum with me and robb is town. does that really need an explanation?
I'm also getting scum vibes from Korts but I'll leave that here empty for now. no energy or time before dl to get into a massive row with another loud player. nothing strong enough I wanna pursue d1 anyways cause he's a useful player if town to have.
deadline is soon. seriously. stop conserving your posts. we need to do shit. 100 posts is way more than you need to play effectively and a dead game helps scum. at this point t chill is the only lynch that'll happen because not enough other players are even posting. lynch should be by choice, not by default.
