Kidney Mafia (Game Over)

[Gorkington]

hbd.
shitty asshole person is subbing in for can it.

[Gorkington]

zach you just dont understand.
our pictures
were
0% content.

no don't leave me

nah youre stuck with me sorry.

[Gorkington]

can someone explain to me why porker/gamereplacement arent the competing wagons here?
LUV actually suggested earlier that the claimed 2-shot doctor is stronger than the 2-shot PT cop which was something special.

[Gorkington]

would also be willing to be handfed reasons why carcalilly is scum.
its the least people can do after ruining the most fun ive had in a mafia game in ages.

[Gorkington]

oh yeah true as justification for why we shouldnt wagon the 2-shot doctor claim.
try again bud.

[Gorkington]

holy fuck i know right

[Gorkington]

lol LUV.
if youre scum and you think this is a good idea to push me, i guarantee you will fucking regret it.

you literally tried to tell me that i was scum because my drawing didnt look like a pile of laundry before changing your tune to "oh the reasoning is off actually thats what i meant".
like, if youre actually town here, the last few pages are actually so embarrassing for you.

[Gorkington]

Checking whether someone has a PT or not is still fairly strong even in a setup like this. I see no reason for them to be a ninja though and it's mainly why I don't believe the claim.

Docs also are just more valuable.

:v
:V
:V
:V
:V
V:
V:

[Gorkington]

people
are
literally
describing
as a bin
in front of you
right now

p-edit: lol its stronger than a fucking gunsmith and youre calling it a shit role vs a claimed doctor with 21 slots alive.

[Gorkington]

okay.
new game.
not getting bogged down in LUV's posts being lol.

things ive wanted to post but drawing takes for fucking ever:
i) rb's miller handling was off as giga said. not super confident about this but its kind of sketchy.
ii) thinking about it more, rb definitely would get this angry as scum who was sick of being wagoned so much early game on what he perceives as him playing on rb. it isnt AI.
iii) rb spent all of his time calling the people wagoning him stupid, not scum. that discrepancy felt kind of off to me.

if the only reason rbslot isnt getting wagoned is that he claimed 2-shot doctor, then we should probably be re-evaluating pls and ty.

point we were trying to get across with porker is that him entirely focusing on only four slots during his catch-up felt super off.
at the very least he deserves a lot more pressure than he has right now.

idc which we wagon.
i like both more than anything ive seen being pushed elsewhere.

p-edit: it was a stylized drawing. we did plenty of them before that one.

[Gorkington]

point we were trying to get across with porker is that him entirely focusing on only four slots during his catch-up felt super off.

ie: those four slots also conveniently being his main four scumreads.
it doesnt read like a real thought process at all.

[Gorkington]

posts that arent votes for porker/gamereplacement
or explaining to me why i should be voting somewhere else in some level of detail ====
stop posting in the game please.

[Gorkington]

where is it.

p-edit: transcend is probably one of my three strongest townreads right now.
so.
im not really sure how effective a case is going to be.
there really isnt any general sentiment of him being scum at all.

[Gorkington]

kraska doesnt push rb like she did as scum IMO.

[Gorkington]

keep up the posturing.
real good look for you.

[Gorkington]

with great detective work like "it doesnt look like a laundry pile" im fucking frightened here with your scumlean.

is it not true that carcalilly is hardcore lynchbait as town?

[Gorkington]

im pretty pissed.
howre you.

[Gorkington]

town bin
its a fucking
town bin
BIN
have you never heard that term before?
holy shit i forgot the reasons why people were pushing one slot out of 20 when i have bigger scumreads who would have thought

[Gorkington]

luv quick tell me who rb was scumreading it should be easy because EVERYONE REMEMBERS EVERYONE'S READS IN AN 86 PAGE GAME

p-edit: oh my fuck have you never seen a toy machine before where the claw grabs a toy out of it it was a fucking stylized image

[Gorkington]

I DONT CARE MUCH FOR HUGS SORRY

[Gorkington]

CAN WE GET BACK TO LYNCHING SOMEONE
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT
BECAUSE TALKING WITH LUV IS PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE ME VOMIT 5 PAGES WORTH OF ANGER

[Gorkington]

im pissed because youre being ridiculously obtuse about minute details.
the only thing ive been thinking about wrt spiff the last 12 hours has just been how pissed i am at him for thinking i would adopt a gimmick specifically as scum just to win a game.

Talk to me on rb? I tr the fuck out of his rage I don't think anyone would go that low in a mafia game to do that as scum tbh I thought everyone unvoted him because of that but if it was because of the doc claim (and it seems that way) that's dumv

do you think scumRB doesnt get mad about getting pushed here if hes been getting lynched a lot lately?

[Gorkington]

he is rarely if ever this fence sitty and not confident as town he only does it as scum

links to a transcend scumgame you feel like he does this?
will try to do homework on saturday.

[Gorkington]

like, at the same time, im not even sure me metadiving him is going to help.
my worst reads in folk blues were the heavy ISO/metadives i did.

p-edit: YAYA WAHTEVER DOGFACE.

[Gorkington]

whatever luv.
scumread me.
im going to drive the game and get shit done.
you can have fun pointing at me and calling me scummy for your interpretation of me drawing bins as a plush toy with a metal claw out of a carnival toy machine pulling her out of the town bin.

nobody is going to sheep you on that.
and im going to continue doing what i want to do.
and we're going to call it a day.
cheers.

p-edit: yasssssss

[Gorkington]

i kind of find it hard to believe that scumLUV would think its a good idea to keep pushing this.

i dont think he pushed anything anywhere near this hard in real folks
iirc

p-edit: i'll probably be less angry when im back on saturday.
until i get angry again.
glad we complained so much about my drawings.

pp-edit: lol.

ppp-edit: when im irritated its hard for me to focus on anything other than whats pissing me off. im not even really scumreading bins anymore.
im also not calling you scum.

[Gorkington]

@maria:

do you think scumRB doesnt get mad about getting pushed here if hes been getting lynched a lot lately?

[Gorkington]

clearly kraska and rb had out of thread shit going on.
i dont think him being that way to her is AI.
i doubt his rolePM even entered into it at that point.

[Gorkington]

zzzz
luv's probtown.

p-edit: what if youre both wrong

[Gorkington]

i immediately scumread him on tone in folk blues.
literally everything he did in that game came across like it was a struggle for him.
here hes effortlessly saying incorrect things as if its nothing.
that isnt something that one just does without years of training.

[Gorkington]

meh
VOTE: carc

[Gorkington]

i can hear rb's voice in the back of my head telling me how stupid i am if his slot flips town and i voted him
someone help

[Gorkington]

also vedith's tbh.

[Gorkington]

No

i dont think theres any productive way for me to respond to you if you think there isnt some legitimate concern of me feeling like rb could attack me for the way i read him this game after how he replaced out, or did you forget when he devoted an entire post to his interpretation of why i was scumreading him being the dumbest fucking thing?

[Gorkington]

like can you stop throwing bad shade for half a second?

[Gorkington]

youre acting like he couldnt be angry about the situation as scum
and that him and kraska dont have history outside the game that fuelled that interaction.

youre also simultaneously telling us we cant judge his character while judging his character.
:v

[Gorkington]

like, in no way do i think rb thought "i will deter this wagon on me by bringing it to a level of personal insults"
i think he was probably just expressing how angry he was at what he thought was a garbage push on him for all of the wrong reasons.

like, i wouldnt confidently say "oh his anger was SCUM MOTIVATED" but it seems pretty weak to ignore the possibility of someone getting that angry as scum.

[Gorkington]

Carcalilly (7)- grapes, Bins, Zachstralkita, hebichan, Spiffeh, Game Replacement, Gorkington

i dont really get why this wagon comp is bad other than gamereplacement being on it.

[Gorkington]

if youre confident that the slot is town, then the content before him being angry/vedith's content should be easy to defend?

[Gorkington]

or i guess thats actually kind of lame.
partially just want something to pick at that isnt making me uncomfortable.
q.q

[Gorkington]

the more i sit with carca, the more i just dont really understand how she could immediately go from scumreading narna, to sheeping townNarna, to scumleaning narna again.
and the really trolly feel of her subsequent posts doesnt really feel like.. she actually feels as bad about it as she says she does?

i really dont think this is a bad vote.

[Gorkington]

if youre townreading gr
=>
you could vote her
=>
and we could wagon her to murdertown instead

[Gorkington]

ive thought that maria's recent posting wasnt that bad? their claim is also still not a scum-claim.

[Gorkington]

and their role is basically borderline a cop.
we're not lynching them today.

[Gorkington]

gunsmith can get guilties on investigatives and is generally pretty nebulous with whether the guilties are actual guilties. pt checker if scum gets hit, scum is basically on a ticking clock where they have to either present a partner as a neighbor or eat a lynch.

the innos are also probably still pretty reliable.

[Gorkington]

the difference is scum can wiggle out of a gunsmith guilty.

mafia doctor is also a thing.

[Gorkington]

heres a critical thinking exercise for you luv: scum gets hit with PT checker. what are their options?
hint: the answer is basically almost nothing because you have to force a scummate to tie themselves to you.

[Gorkington]

2-shot doctor is clearly weaker than 2-shot pt checker.
im not going to turn this game into a mafia theory discussion but youre just so wrong here its actually ridiculous.

[Gorkington]

its a laundry pile tyvm.

[Gorkington]

It's baffling to me that a 2-shot doctor

and a full doctor

is weaker than a 2-shot PT cop in a large themed game.

what was actually said vs what you just said. 2-shot doc would only be useful if it doesnt get lynched or killed before we get down to final ten and saves its shots. im sure all three of those conditions will definitely for sure be satisfied vs the immediate results we can get from arcade.

[Gorkington]

except we've already established that its a guilty on scum thats going to be 100% damning? its like saying titus's gunsmith in folk blues is bad because there were 3 roles on the scumteam that could dodge it while it was also simultaneously used to tear apart your scumteam. if arcade targets scum with only the mafia PT as a PT, theyre either fucked or fucking themself and a scummate over midgame.

p-edit: if i wanted to make bins seem shiny i would have made her fucking shiny. -.-

[Gorkington]

zach i hate you right now for making this a conversation point again.
q.q

[Gorkington]

[Gorkington]

if shes green then tomorrow is the dog's day

[Gorkington]

claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim give it give it give your claim to us

p-edit: what if it flips red though will you pee yourself

[Gorkington]

This is flipping red Trans trust me \o/

werent you saying earlier that carca is super lynchbait as town?

oh god why is this happening

[Gorkington]

TOO BUFF TO GET VIGGED. I SHRUG OFF BULLETS.

[Gorkington]

Game Replacement rb

if you think hes red why would he be wrong instead of just scum here?

[Gorkington]

how do i sort you

[Gorkington]

you were saying earlier that you were really sure that rb was going to flip town
whats changed
what about vedith's play so far has been bugging you
specifics ideally.

[Gorkington]

and that seems out of character for vedith for you?

[Gorkington]

its a diff colour than red is that comforting

[Gorkington]

lynch: RB slot, gerryoat, carcarilly

this is your last mention of her
if youre actually serious give words

[Gorkington]

vote: TPFKAP

ive decided the counterwagon

[Gorkington]

The blowup between ladagna/trans and rb feels manufactured to me. At this point, I think it's a gambit and we could successfully lynch scrum either way.

hello it is me real person with real reads on rb and transcend
dont worry it is real
real
definitely

[Gorkington]

spiff's been posting places that arent here since he vacated the game.

if hes still lurking in 3-4 days and his content is literally just him bitching about my gimmick then im pretty okay with the idea of wagoning the shit out of him.

[Gorkington]

yeah, no, spiff will lurk if it makes sense to as scum.

and i'll be fucking damned if that fucko thinks he can force me to quit my gimmick and then lurk out the rest of day one.

[Gorkington]

if anyone doesnt like the tkfjkdm wagon
feel free to explain at my face
how someone looks at kraska/transcend vs rb and goes "oh yeah probs scum theater lol".

[Gorkington]

Well it could be that they tried to distance early and rb got mad that she took it too far and then they both felt like they couldn't co-exist anymore and were hurting the team.

[Gorkington]

How does a hydra of two players get replaced by an entirely different player?

what if i told you
that its not an entirely different player
o:

I've put forward two theories involving several different players. My votes follow my theories. My reasons for my votes are stated immediately. I've asked and answered questions.

i have a really easy task for you:
give me an example of one game youve seen
where theres been scum theater to the level that you think rb/kraska interactions went to this game

I'd lolhammer pork. We have enough claims for today. I am really upset that Game isn't happening today. I don't want to think that I misplayed this so badly...

if somehow tkdjknd wagon stops being a thing, gamereplacement is where counterwagon is going, if it makes you feel better.

[Gorkington]

Cryptic, but not enough to worry about.

So, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

cheetory6===gorkington.
feel free to reread can it's ISO and my ISO for a crash course refresher on my thoughts so far.

So TPFKAP doesn't look at this thread for three seconds with any common sense and go "I should lurk this out lol theyre going to mislynch"

i feel like lurking it out would probably make it worse?

Instead she goes "let me post like im scum lmfao"

"i didnt choose the scum life
the scum life chose me"
-scumpig

i feel like youre devil's advocating a lot of scummy behavior in the game zach.
like, you can explain away anything if you really want to/if it seems too easy.
but, at the same time:
i) sometimes it can be just that easy
ii) waffling about things sucks and makes games go for forever until people get mad

im down to poke at her more and see if we can get something that isnt robotic and is a little easier to sort, but at the end of the day im going to be struggling to believe someone who read through rb/kraska and came to the conclusion that theyre both scum from it.
++ the carry-forward of their reads from before just feels like sticky scum reads.
+++ their initial readthrough and only taking notes on four people doesnt seem real either.

do i need to draw a choo choo train for you to be happy about this or nah?

[Gorkington]

No it's not.

Ignore Narna.

oh yeah true
its not like vedith disappeared and stopped providing content again in spite of his preferred wagon disappearing and the wagon on him conveniently shifting elsewhere.

sure yeah lets wagon something else.

[Gorkington]

friendly reminder that spiff is still not doing anything in this game.
if he doesnt post in 48 hours i think he should probably be force replaced for not providing any content.

[Gorkington]

also, transcend or someone else
can you please explain the townreads on PV?

[Gorkington]

The task you propose is not "easy."
First, you are asking me to dig through my long term memory and/or old games. I estimate that this would take at least an hour. I don't have that to spare.
Second, you ask me to provide an example of scum theater "to the level" that I think rb/kraska went to in this game. This is problematic for two reasons. One: I don't know rb or kraska, so I have no idea what "level" this is. Second: I don't know what YOUR definition of "level" here is, so you could effortlessly shoot down anything I submit anyway. For these reasons, this task is "difficult."

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

Gorkington, you have misrepresented me;
-snip-

can you share some of your other less confident reads then?

[Gorkington]

Gork, why is Vedith's play different from Real Blues?

If I get a bullshit answer I'm ignoring your thoughts on the slot.

i dont know if you were just not reading the game because you had a scum rolePM
but vedith's contributions to real folk blues were primarily an effort to make me look/feel bad and nakedly pushing nos (being snide about it while doing so).

the circumstances of vedith's apathy here are also not really comparable as vedith got apathetic after i was a shitter at him, where here he seemed instantly apathetic.
compare his entrance in real folk to here.
its not even close.

[Gorkington]

he was annoyed at people pushing him in folk blues and actually cared about winning.

[Gorkington]

ive played with him twice.
but hey okay yeah lets keep moving the goalposts.

[Gorkington]

thats convenient.

[Gorkington]

are you just ignoring the first half of the post you quoted or are you getting to responding to it?

also youre being convenient in not sharing your other reads when youre being run up.

[Gorkington]

you are asking me to tell you why other people feel a certain way about my actions.

hes actually asking you to acknowledge the fact that youre being wagoned.

[Gorkington]

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.
ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.
iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

so you have nothing to say to this?

[Gorkington]

youre being convenient because if youre scum its easier for you to focus on a few slots and not have to justify any other reads.

[Gorkington]

usually people are like "oh god a wagon on me!"
or
"fuck you guys stop voting me"
or
"these votes on me suck"
or
"i am having a genuine human reaction to things that are happening in this game"

p-edit: what

[Gorkington]

Why would I do that?

why are you doing anything that youre doing
is the real question

[Gorkington]

something is happening

[Gorkington]

why do you think people do things

[Gorkington]

i) you need to seriously elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater, because from where i stand thats a completely farcical stance to take on their interactions and if you arent basing that off of some level of experience where youve seen scum do something like that, then i have no idea how you could actually come to that conclusion.

can you please elaborate on why you think rb/kraska was scum theater

ii) if you dont know rb/kraska, it seems a little odd for you to jump to them both being scum instead of asking or mentioning that, especially since a lot of people have been talking about (including rb and kraska) this being a thing that has basis outside of this game.

can you explain why you jumped here if people have been mentioning that theres history between the two of them

iii) it doesnt matter what my level is.
its what your level is.
i want to judge what you consider to be scum theater by your own experiences, and if you cant, well, you should explain in a lot of detail what made you think that it was fake.

can you please refer to any game you can remember offhand where youve seen any kind of comparable scum theatrics

let me know if you need question marks for you to consider them as questions

[Gorkington]

how is 2 even scum theater?

[Gorkington]

I'm talking about that approach in general from people. It's okay to say that rb's meltdown doesn't mean anything in terms of his alignment? That's not close to calling it theatre?

was talking about letters' assessment of 2 being "oh this is also scum theater".

p-edit: its more like "too weird to be town or scum"

[Gorkington]

i really want to wagon spiff into the dirt right now.

[Gorkington]

i dont remember any of gerry's stances in spite of him having 100+ posts

[Gorkington]

I don't see why you would expect town to think of 'If I was scum' scenarios.

it was literally explained in the picture and i was really frustrated at the time.
i wasnt expecting bins to be like "oh jump to implicit shit", i was annoyed that the message i was trying to get across wasnt getting across and bins simultaneously telling me to quit the gimmick made me feel really frustrated.

Accompanied by no analysis, in the context of having unclear general reads. Not really trying to change the subject. Plus the discussion on Bins lasted too long.

oh god i was unfocused because i was pissed off!
welcome to playing with me!

Does Vedith have an alt here?

gamereplacement is vedith.

[Gorkington]

Ugh I have to do this

can this not count as a post with content please?

@mod

?
ie: can we get a prod on spiff for not doing anything in this game for three days now?

[Gorkington]

We tried that.

vote: gamereplacement

[Gorkington]

i think we still have like a week

can you comment on things that arent hebichan?
ie:
the three main wagons?
which do you like which do you not like
are you willing to compromise on one of them?

if youre not willing to compromise shouldnt you be making more noise/casing hebi harder?

[Gorkington]

did i make it in time

[Gorkington]

lolme
looked at her ISO and she literally hasnt had reads in ages.
or at least she isnt pushing anything on her own.

vote: carcalilly

we should narrow the lynch choices to lilly/tkpletters and force people to choose under pain of shouting at them

[Gorkington]

transcend you cant fight me on this and make me feel scared about it because i own your vote okay thank you.

[Gorkington]

you gettin' green vibes on all the wagons man

shes a vtclaim who isnt into the game
if we're wrong we're wrong.
will probably help hebi and zach recenter if we're wrong and i think both of them are town.

[Gorkington]

or Game

[Gorkington]

close call there

[Gorkington]

woah guys look its me giving people permission to vote carcalilly and then all of the responsibility for it being wrong falls on me
time to vote her
nice cool wow exciting

[Gorkington]

>agrees with everything i say
>might be scum

i guess im just that good arent i

[Gorkington]

lilly give a last will and testament
reads
etc
you going to mouse heaven yo

[Gorkington]

YOU DIDNT EVEN GIVE ME TIME TO RESPOND

[Gorkington]

nice job creating some coherent thoughts!

[Gorkington]

false binary is a pretty garbage way to describe what i was trying to do,
but
yeah i kind of dont really love carc or pigletters for scum right now.
zzzzzzzzz

[Gorkington]

vote: spiff

:v

[Gorkington]

lynch spiff
he deserves it

[Gorkington]

whats he gonna do prod dodge again
kill him
fuck it

[Gorkington]

"can it needs to do something or get policy lynched." "i cant believe im getting policy lynched for doing nothing"
:v
:V
:VVV
:VVVVVVVVVV

[Gorkington]

hey guys spiff here to be a total fucking shithead but also not be able to take it when it happens to him

[Gorkington]

lol.

[Gorkington]

im really hoping spiff is scum for how stupid these last few posts have been. then again, i would be pretty fucking appalled that he resorted to character assassinating me if he were scum for the early game. so. either way. you really fucking suck this game.

[Gorkington]

do you want to use the line from biochem next where you lurk more as town than as scum?

[Gorkington]

i really dont know why i signed up for this.

[Gorkington]

oh right it was to draw pictures and try to have fun. haha ahah hhahhahhhhhh

[Gorkington]

it was pretty shit for you to say that I would roll scum and do the gimmick specifically just to fuck with everyone.

[Gorkington]

i promise that i would never pretend to be this angry just because i want to win because of a scum rolePM.
i am legitimately really upset at you for that.
that you would think i would play like that.

[Gorkington]

im not in the right headspace to be playing mafia anymore.

please replace me. sorry for not just replacing out entirely in the first place.