Mini 1937 ~ Girls ♥ Girls 2: Mini's Apartment ~ Endgame

[nancy]

Votecount 1.13

Spiffeh (4)

~ NoticeMeSenpai, Ginngie, camn, Caryatid

MaxwellPuckett (2)

~ Prism, Heartless

Ginngie (2)

~ MaxwellPuckett, Spiffeh

Prism (1)

~ Kmd4390

camn (1)

~ Ahsoka Tano

Ahsoka Tano (1)

~ VNB National Plan

Not Voting (2)

~ Imperium, Polar Vortex

13 alive ~ 7 for majority.
Deadline Meter:

58%

[Caryatid]

mmmmm

Thank you, nancy!!!

[nancy]

What were you feeling when you drew it?

[nancy]

mmmmm

Thank you, nancy!!!

You're welcome! I like BBW too... I'm trying to find more and it's hard! I need somewhere that's not just pornography but actually tasteful images and I can't seem to right now but hopefully I can get something with more hunting!

[Caryatid]

What were you feeling when you drew it?

The blue was for your modcolour and the red was for your signature nancy ♥s but I'll make you a better one once I'm caught up. I gotta stir the food on the stove now.

[nancy]

The blue was for your modcolour and the red was for your signature nancy ♥s but I'll make you a better one once I'm caught up. I gotta stir the food on the stove now.

Omg <3!

[Spiffeh]

I'm glad mastina has learned from her horrific play in Biochemistry not to commit to reads too early and be more expansive with her scum hunting

Oh wait

[Spiffeh]

let's be clear though spiffeh's posts have been problematic and yesterday I wanted to literally smash my head with a hammer after reading his posturing hypocritical posts, but some of his posts after yesterday's terrible as shit posts look fine today. though I'm not sure if anyone notices that he's danced around and not really interacted in a normal way and that makes me go all itchy fuck fest. I'm all cool and the jazz if you want to read our hydra through me, but you really haven't been framing that this way this game. You tried to make it sound like it's alignment indicative that I didn't post in the first few days of the game, then you tried to frame it in the oh you think you can read me way, which I don't like.

Yeah Tammy I'd LOVE for you to elaborate on why you think I'm posting hypocritically or posture-y

Like I said earlier, you are primarily how I plan to read the hydra. I don't know why you're acting like I've demanded your head for your absence or something. I guess it was probably a little early, but I brought up your enthusiasm tell to urge you to post and see if you were thrown off at the fact that I was keeping a close eye on you, something I'd expect scum!Tammy to handle awkwardly.

Your promise to catch up and then retracting that because you didn't feel like playing mafia is something I could realistically see scum!Tammy do. The promise to catch up could have been an attempt to quell my worries about your activity, and you not following through could be classic unenthusiastic scum Tammy.

Now obviously this is no where near a smoking gun, which is why I'm still at "wait and see" with you guys. Once you get engaged with the game and if you're town, I will be able to recognize that.

[Polar Vortex]

HEY POLAR VORTEX - Has snowstorm been around?

Yes. Can't you tell us apart?

RVS vote. Not really into it, but it became a nice little wagon, we didn't want to break it.

What is nice about the wagon? And what is your read on Spiff?

It's nice in the way that wagons are nice. It creates pressure, helps us evaluate Spiffeh and other players involved, etc.

"Not really into it." pretty much sums up our read on him. I wouldn't call it a town read, but we're not scum reading him.

I don't remember playing with mastina before. Is this normal? By 'this' I mean the uhhh, dramatic arguments that don't include uhhhh, facts of any kind.

It's been a long time since I played with Mastina, but having pretty strong feelings that aren't always well justified fits what I remember of her play; her town play, more specifically.


Caryatid's #696 show's exactly how I feel about Ginngie, which is to say I don't know how I feel about her.

And since I'm mentioning her, I kinda like Caryatid overall. I don't recall anything in specific that made me think "this player is town", but she made a good first impression on me. Also, scum don't paint.

[Spiffeh]

I do want to remind morning me that spiffeh getting after nacho for not interacting him and thus that made him scummy and himcnot interacting with nacho in return and thinking it was insane when someone mentioned it along with saying that

bad-mouthing was part of the game

is something I want to talk about because it's something that I take issue with but can't quite word right now.

I did interact with Nacho in return. I voted for you guys and everything. My calling him out for not interacting with me IS interacting with him.

The problem was that I thought Nacho had listed me as his largest scum read (bottom on the list labeled " ", what am I supposed to think?) yet literally mentioned me only once when talking to SOMEONE ELSE. So yeah I felt that was worthy of being called out.

I also don't know what you're talking about with the bolded.

[Spiffeh]

Spoiler:

That's it? You are just trying to get a townread and 'stay grounded'??
Thats what all this buildup is about?

I'm waiting for certain things to occur that haven't yet

Update: the things I'm waiting for still haven't happened.

Anyone wanna guess what they are?

What are the things you are waiting for?

For Tammy and TTH to post

What happens when they do?

I am also able to easily identify when both of them are town and they are usually priority sorts.

THAT IS IT???
What a let-down.
This is like that time I went to Tokyo Disneyland. I thought it would be so next-level alien.. but it was just fucking shitty Disneyland.

This is an awful post.

The reason I said "I'm waiting for stuff to happen" was because Anti said that I seemed bored. The "build-up" that you're speaking of is nonexistent.

What exactly would have been a sufficient answer to your question?

Because this post REALLY makes it seem like you were setting me up to fail. And the fact that the foundation of your scum read (beyond sheeping) seems to have been hung up in this point makes me think you were hiding behind it to justify being on my wagon.

VOTE: camn

@camn I would like the bolded answered please.

[Spiffeh]

Related: I don't think camn is town here. I don't have much experience with her but she was obvtown in the few games I did play with her and I'm not getting that same feeling.

Her badgering of me to answer her (overall pretty useless?) question were an easy excuse to stay on my wagon and were formatted to set me up to fail and to ensure that she didn't have to leave it at its height.

camn do you have any reads on players that aren't me?

[Polar Vortex]

So I have a friend at another site who has this belief in this 1 in 3 thing, in which scum when positing a group of three names always lists one of their partners. I don't necessarily believe in the 1 in 3 thing, but it will be interesting to see if any of the people who listed three people who might be scum at the beginning will be scum.

does that make sense?

Just an end game thought really.

It does make some sense, scum will always be aware when confronted with posting names. "Do I post only town names? Do I sneak in a partner?...". So I agree with whoever liked that Spiffeh started that. It is something I think would be less likely to come from scum.


I can't wait for Caryatid to get to us. I want to see if I interpreted our painting right.

[camn]

@camn I would like the bolded answered please.

Like- anything.
A Dayvig.
a day-inventor? is that real?
A reveal of some deep meta on some player's first post?

ANYTHING. Because it was YOU who was building it up.. not me. YOU who was all like: I NEED TO SEE A CERTAIN THING HAPPEN BEFORE I CAN COMMENT ON ANYTHING.
Like you were post-restricted or anything.
And then its just that you wanted to get a read on them?

I didn't set you up to fail- you did.

And Yeah- I have reads.
But I am waiting for a certain thing to happen before I can possibly share them :/

Spoiler: ♥

[Caryatid]

There are moments in Carya's play that also just feels to me like scum who have the tiny behaviors, tonewise, down to rote routine.

If by this you mean that I tend to be aware of how I'd be reacting to things as whichever alignment I'm not then you're not really wrong. As town, I have an idea of what my scumself would be pushing or would be tempted to push and as scum I know how I would feel about posts if I didn't know the person's alignment. I think that if I were scum in this game I would be less concerned with adhering very closely to what my townself would be doing because I'm playing under an alt and that gives me a certain amount of freedom to read people without them knowing I'm here, to see what they are doing when they're not playing around me, and of course if I were scum then the freedom would go the other way too. I think Imperium has guessed me by now but I don't think anyone else has and there are only a couple other people that I think will be likely to. Mastina hasn't but she might.

Mastina do you know why 317 makes me a little paranoid of you? But I like that you're pushing Spiffeh so I'm setting it aside for now but I just...want it noted...for postgame cred or something...that it was page 13 when I started worrying.

This feels so, so fake to me. And again, what they've verbalized about Spiffeh so far is that they liked Spiffeh's entrance but just not his lack of content. The phrasing of it as a question is just weird to me. What's the goal here? NMS going to solve your paranoia just because they know you are? This reads like banter but it's the type of banter that's meant to break into a townbloc.

She doesn't, though. It's hard for me to remember that and I do keep talking to people as if they did know, but she doesn't. She doesn't know who I am and she doesn't care about my read on her either way, but I think maybe if she is scum then she'll care a bit because I'm not talking to her like a stranger, I'm talking to her like a friend so she could care. In her head she should be going "who the fuck is that and are they a threat to me." So I liked her response to it and I don't care if you didn't get anything out of that exchange.

Spoiler:

On another note, this post:

The way I feel about camn is that I really liked 118 because it made me laugh and it was off the cuff and cute and I liked her push on Ginngie at first and then in 180 she was talking about awareness and it struck me as odd because I think in general as scum it's easier to have a better awareness of the game state than as town and you have more information to work with, so I feel just about the opposite about situation awareness as camn seems to :/ but her longer explanation in 182 was okay? If it's about nervousness and misreading the town and way her actions would come off to this playerlist then that's a different thing from whta I thought it was and it resonates.

I just want to think about her some more before I have a real read but if you have something, I want to hear it.

This is just a wild read that comes off as faking indecisiveness.

The opener for thinking that camn was town is wack, #118 is just a joke that's almost certainly NAI:

Outguess the mod works sometimes?

#180, the post that gave them hesitation, isn't even close to talking about gamestate. It's just about the playerlist, applying to how camn expects Gin to adjust to it as scum:

Its not about 'caring' but about awareness.
I am sure you are AWARE of the playerlist.

Her longer explanation actually makes it

less

clear that it's more playerlist, as it launches into deeper speculation.

Misreading it is definitely possible, and Carya's 230

does

come to the correct conclusion of what camn's #182 was about in the end, but the read applied to it feels disingenuous to me. #180 and #182 might as well be combined posts with their spacing and themes, and Carya's reaction feels like fake indecision.

So when I'm commenting on stuff, not everything that I like is going to be alignment indicative but I'm still going to say that I like it. Sometimes if most of the stuff I end up liking is just meaningless stuff that I am really just agreeing with or thinking it sounds reasonable then that's a warning sign to me that the person is scum and I've caught a few people that way, but it's too early for me to make a judgement call like that on camn.

But since you asked, "Outguess the mod works sometimes?" is a joke and it's flippant but it's a clever comeback with just the right amount of sarcasm in response to various people casting shade on camn's role and Ginnie said nancy would put hated as a scum role because of the previous game, though looking at the time stamps I guess she had 5 minutes to think up that remark but still I liked it. I know that the camn read at that point was based on something silly and I still don't feel like my read on her is based on solid ground yet but this early on it's not going to be and I'm okay with that.

One thing you need to know about me though is that I don't obfuscate stupidity ever. An arsehole I used to know IRL used to do that to me and I don't want to get into the details but I find it really upsetting to be on the receiving end of that kind of thing and so for me that's a line I'm not going to cross with people. I'm going to misunderstand stuff as both alignments and there's not too much I can do about it and sometimes I'm going to point it out when I'm having a hard time and sometimes I try to hide it but that makes it worse because if I get stuck on something then I can't move on until I get unstuck and that means asking stupid and embarrassing questions or, if I'm lucky, just talking myself through it and translating from the way she's using language to my own way of using language so I can move on.

With 180 and 182 camn is using words to mean something different from what I usually use them to mean and that makes it harder for me to understand her perspective but I can tell that the problem is on my end and that I agree with the point she is making.

[Caryatid]

Why do people purposefully take out quote links when quoting people

If this is at me, it's because I don't usually hit the "quote" button. I copy and paste and add the quote tags in manually.

Why? I know you're behind and this is probably the least important thing you could respond to but I'm curious if you have a moment.

is a vig killing someone because they're neg utility something you've seen actually happen? if so, link plz

Not off the top of my head, but it is basically ALWAYS discussed when someone claims negative utility so the perception that it could happen is enough that a lot of scum won't do it. Either way, I think it's much more likely that mastina claimed negative utility because mastina is negative utility than any kind of tinfoil theory that it benefits scum. If mastina is scum, the claim is probably because of something actually related to mastina's real role.

so mastina's claim is null?

On Ginngie's self vote, I didn't like it at first but thought it may have been an emotional kind of thing which could come from either alignment. However, in the interaction with camn, ginngie comes off pretty calm and collected so I can only see it as a joke (doesn't come off that way at all) or a calculated attempt to accomplish something. I can't see what town would want to accomplish. tl;dr I still don't like the self vote.

Can you write some more words about Ginngie being calm and collected?

Separately, over the course of the last nine years, have you ever seen a town aligned player vote for themself? I mean on the one hand I don't get it either because why vote for the 1 person I know is town but on the other hand I have myself witnessed such a phenomenon.

I don't get the spiff wagon. Anyone wanna explain?

I rambled about Spiffeh a lot in 736. A few other people have, too

[Caryatid]

Prism makes me doubt the ever living shit out of my Cary read

Your quote from earlier, this one:

That tier is just above "null, hasn't posted, but it's the middle of the night in their time zone" tier (you), just above "null, hasn't posted, but it's daytime in their time zone" (Shadowphant). I originally had fewer tiers but I kept finding I did feel a little bit more strongly about one person than another.

Not gonna lie, I don't see scum caring about details like this.

is actually another example of those rote, tiny ingrained behaviors I meant, and I fundamentally disagree with townreading it. From new players I can see the argument but this was extremely trivial to fake as scum.

I made reference to the same feeling in Buttersnap Shitfuckery when people started townreading the tone of Transcend. The context is different-these feel more forum vs. chat-oriented, for instance, but the principle of "ingrained scum shortcut/tiny tonal behavior" is the same.

It's also worth noting that these behaviors are powerful because they're both

plausible as town and easy to fake

. The first especially is a big key-it speaks to the value of digging deeper, not instalynching.

Yeah, I don't think detail oriented is alignment indicative for me. It's a personality thing. I don't know if I would've made that exact post as scum or not (probably my reads would be a little different because I might be protecting a weaker player like Ahsoka¹ or something) but no role PM can cause spontaneous amnesia of what timezone my friends live in so.

1. Who I am meaning to ramble about at some point but probably not in this post². The tl;dr of that drawing is that the straight lines aren't a good sign but the whimsy is okay.
   
2. This catchup is taking forever so I'm trying not to comment on everything but I keep having things to say it's like the words are making up for lost time.

[camn]

I think I know who you are.
But I will never tell.

[Caryatid]

Bella's interpretation of the drawings: Why are we a weird crosshatch? The size seems to indicate how much you care? You sure have big feelings about Imperium and none about Maxwell. Also Heartless is beautiful. (we like art ok)

Thank you! I'm glad you like them! Size is correlated with a few different things actually, but one of them is the length of the ISO. Maxwell had like 5 short posts and quick read = not a lot of time spent doodling, so you wind up with this very small drawing that basically amounts to "well Maxwell sure does exist." Big = more posts, bigger things to say about them, bigger feelings too maybe.

As for you, I think a lot of the straight lines end up coming down to Shadoweh's posting where her reads feel a bit simplistic, like in 253 where her Ahsoka is fluffy so he's scum and Prism/camn are having a town conversation so they're town and I know I'm oversimplifying it a bit in this paraphrase but it just felt a bit cookie cutter and easy with her reads feeling fairly conservative. It's early yet so I'm hoping to see how she progresses and how she moves away from this by-the-book straight-lines cookie cutter approach and where she goes from there.

I like Bella's posting better than Shadoweh's because I feel like Bella's focused more on figuring out what her thoughts are and expressing them than on making herself palatable and maybe scumBella would think "oh I've got Shadoweh to do that for me so I don't have to" but I don't think so.

As for Imperium, well you're right about the size of my feelings for them and that's probably the reason they got the prettiest one even though we haven't yet hit the synergy this game that I'm looking forward to. But I do think they're town and I'm looking forward to working together with them.

[Heartless]

Hi Spiffeh, Anti said you wanted to talk to me. :3
I'll have MS open in a tab while I'm doing other things so I'll check that periodically.

[camn]

I'd like you to vote Spiffeh.

[Heartless]

weaker player like Ahsoka1

yeah....

from the "weaker player" wording, i know i'm prob gonna get a lot of lip for low hanging fruit or whatever but ahsoka's posting has been pretty consistently unimpressive even when it's there. the camn vote is just kinda plopped there on.... something about the reaction to the self vote? the implied justification is something close to 'self votes aren't scummy, overeager scum jumping on LOOK UR GETTING CONNED'

i also think making a huge deal out of REreading ppl who have post counts that barely break double digits while not giving opinions on them off the supposed first read (kmd/vmd) AND failing to follow through is ????????

[Ginngie]

I literally read all of this last night.

and I can't remember reading a damn word here

[Imperium]

I literally read all of this last night.

and I can't remember reading a damn word here

*nods*

Hangover suck!

[nancy]