Open 692 - Two-fold Matrix6 (Game Over)

[WhyMafia]

Comm you are town. Please for the love of god, don't be apathetic tomorrow and follow me on Aris. He's scum.

[BTD6_maker]

Day 3 VC 9

WhyMafia: Something_Smart, Thor665, Vedith, CommKnight, Umlaut, WhyMafia -

LYNCH

Aristophanes: Lang Buddha, Judge Joseph Dredd
Thor665: Titus

Not Voting: Aristophanes

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-12 12:30:00)

Vedith should pick up the prod by replying to the PM. If they fail to do so, they will be replaced.

With 10 players, it's 6 to lynch!

[BTD6_maker]

WhyMafia has been lynched!

Spoiler: WhyMafia's role

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, WhyMafia. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm your role by replying with your role name.

Night 3 begins! You have (expired on 2017-08-13 18:30:00) to submit any Night actions.

[BTD6_maker]

Titus has been killed!

Spoiler: Titus's role

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome, Titus. You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from Mafia kills and be prevented from using their own action during that night phase, unless they are aligned with the Werewolves. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm your role by replying with your role name.

Day 4 begins!

[BTD6_maker]

Day 4 VC 1

Not Voting: Something_Smart, Umlaut, Aristophanes, Lang Buddha, CommKnight, Vedith, Judge Joseph Dredd, Thor665

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-27 19:30:00)

With 8 players, it's 5 to lynch!

[Something_Smart]

I was thinking about this scenario overnight (though I thought it would be with Umlaut), and I don't think it constitutes gamethrowing to say this.

Thor, I'd like you to help us kill the werewolves. If both werewolves die while you are alive, I'll use a fair random method to give you a 20% chance to win, and I swear that if you accept this I'll follow through on it. However, if you refuse or we fail to kill both werewolves, then I'll make sure you don't win. Hopefully other people will sign off on this so you can't just kill me to get out of it.

Unrelated: Guardian/elder should claim today but not claim which.

[Something_Smart]

Actually BP should also claim if there is one.

[Umlaut]

I'm apparently slow today, can someone explain if S_S is claiming scum or just claiming Thor is scum?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

I'm apparently slow today, can someone explain if S_S is claiming scum or just claiming Thor is scum?

to my understanding he is claiming thor is the last mafia but i would want him to explain how he got to that conclusion
i also am amazed there has been only one nk per night for the whole game and would want to go through crush/titus iso to see if either crumbed their targets
if we have a gaurdian they could have made a save on one night but if not then either the elder/bp got targeted or the jk has been amazingly successful or -and this is much less likely- both scum sides shot the same person on n2 and n3
i dont know about claiming either. why would we want to recognize the remaining prs when they are not even investigative and thus cannot give us much info
more to it lets assume we have a bp and and elder. now why should they claim unless they are being wagoned? what info does it give us? on contrary i see it as beneficial to scum if they decide to work together with each shooting the other sides bp (the elderly being a bp to wolves) unless each already shot their own bp in which case that only serves to recognize that theres an elderly rather than a guardian and the wws know whom to shoot next and the mafia also might shoot the bp anyway now that the jk is dead
all in all im not in favour od claiming unless maybe its a mass claim but then all scum will still claim vts and we achieve nothing

so first i need to look for clues from the jk on their targets and 2nd we should reanalyze the situation to find out how come there has always been a missing kill each night
actually give me some time to try and think about it when my mind is more active to see if theres a benefit to claiming. im too brain dead right now to think of all possible combinations

[Something_Smart]

Ooh a confession. You are the last mafia Thor.

Also, I have a husband, so sorry on Thor Titus sex.

[CommKnight]

Actually leave Thor alive. Werewolves do NOT have a roleblocker and thus leaving the confirmed mafia alive makes them risk their life. (Maybe WIFOM a Guardian protecting Thor to keep him playing ball and the wolves paranoid of offing Thor right away).

I wouldn't mind hearing if Thor is roleblocker or goon however.

I think Something_Smart IS town. So that leaves:

Umlaut
Aristophanes
Lang Buddha
Vedith
Judge Joseph Dredd

for Werewolves. 2 of the 5 above are a wolf. I'll go with WhyMafia's words and VOTE: Aristophanes Buddy is probably either Umlaut or Lang.

[CommKnight]

@CommKnight, Should we do PR/VT claims only? Yes/no.

No. In a game like this with 3 scum alive from 2 killer factions, claiming PR only serves to let them off our PRs.

So what? We'd get three conftown for a day worst case and the town PR that stopped nks can be even more direct.

We don't even know if it was the same person stopping these NKs hopefuly the jailor if we have one keeps jailing the same person and somehow drops a hint if we ISO them if they were to die, but other than that outing today only serves to help scum. With this many town alive even WW's would probably help mafia in taking out the PRs before turning on each other.

Like how could a PR ever drop a hint CommKnight?

Please tell me if you're town you've

begun to work on your listening skills.

Quickwagon Thor!

Also in case there's any doubt about Thor being last mafia. This was Titus' hint to me.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

wow
those look pretty strong hints in hindsight
now back to the claiming thing: what good does it do us to know who is a pr?

[Vedith]

VOTE: SS

[Umlaut]

Okay, I buy that Thor is the other mafia and that S_S is town. Kind of want to just vote Thor now, honestly; I'm really wary of plans more complicated than "find the scum, kill the scum" outside of situations like endgame dilemmas.

In fact, I will.

VOTE: Thor

S_S, why did you expect to be doing this with my slot and not Thor's?

[Something_Smart]

Because I thought your slot was mafia for a while.

Right now my PoE pool is {you, Lang, Comm} and I don't think you're scum with Lang so I think that means lynch Comm but I'm nowhere near confident enough in that yet and I doubt Thor is going to cooperate. (Which is a shame because you probably would have )

[BTD6_maker]

Day 4 VC 2

Aristophanes: CommKnight
Something_Smart: Vedith
Thor665: Umlaut

Not Voting: Something_Smart, Aristophanes, Lang Buddha, Judge Joseph Dredd, Thor665

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-27 19:30:00)

With 8 players, it's 5 to lynch!

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Umlaut I can do either Aristo or Umlaut, maybe we should tie Thor's kill to someone so if someone else dies instead of that person, we know to lynch Thor for not playing ball.

Thor is not being lynched today. He's been outed to the Werewolves. He HAS to play ball or his faction will auto-lose. The WW's CANNOT leave him alive so you will see the WW's attempt to lynch him today. Smart town is going to defend Thor because he's going to draw almost every single night kill and so long as we have a Guardian in play we can potentially deny the wolves of ANY chance to take out the threat to them.

So voting Thor today will not be tolerated one bit.

[Something_Smart]

Do you not trust my read on Ari to be correct?

[CommKnight]

I trust anyone who would vote Thor in this situation is a wolf. Thor is dead without town so he can no longer work against us until both wolves are dead. Because if he does, he'll be open season for town AND Wolves.

Aris could very well be the other wolf, but Umlaut is playing very wolf like right now.

[Something_Smart]

But I've been saying very confidently that Ari is town basically the whole game. Does that mean anything to you?

I still want to figure out what happened with the attitude toward Vedith between yesterday and today, but I can do that overnight.

Did this ever happen?

[Something_Smart]

wow
those look pretty strong hints in hindsight
now back to the claiming thing: what good does it do us to know who is a pr?

We get a confirmed town. And I'd rather not open up the opportunity of werewolves CC'ing in LYLO.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, I buy that Thor is the other mafia and that S_S is town. Kind of want to just vote Thor now, honestly; I'm really wary of plans more complicated than "find the scum, kill the scum" outside of situations like endgame dilemmas.

In fact, I will.

VOTE: Thor

S_S, why did you expect to be doing this with my slot and not Thor's?

This is exactly the kind of response I would espect out of a WW! They'reafraid of being shot at night and know they need to get rid of the other team to have any chance!

Umlaut, why do you not want Thor to attempt crosskilling instead, especially with the promise of protection on him?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Umlaut

I forgot.

[Umlaut]

Umlaut, why do you not want Thor to attempt crosskilling instead, especially with the promise of protection on him?

That's funny, I thought I explained this.

Oh, that's because I did.

I'm really wary of plans more complicated than "find the scum, kill the scum" outside of situations like endgame dilemmas.

I need to think about what S_S is saying re. Ari because this alone makes him my second choice for today's lynch otherwise.