Mini Normal 1929 - Game Over

[LlamaFluff]

I was town. Its about 60% WM, 30% Mulch, 10% Mario. If its AUN, I will be complaining to Nexus about this game being passed because it should have been an absolute cakewalk for scum if that is the case.

Last scum had to be a part of the alban wagon. Should have been more clear on him being a bad lynch because of game breaking ability of his role at this point, but didn't expect him to actually self-vote. Scum if they had any whiff of how strong it was would have been looking for any excuse to join that wagon which essentially turned any one player bulletproof.

@AUN - If you have anything you need to say please do that now before lock.

[Mulch]

No hammer bub

[Mulch]

Why did you think it was a hammer?

[WhyMafia]

@Llama a scum watcher seemed likely to me because we had a vigilante. The vigilante theoretically could kill two town or 1 town/1 scum. Then the watcher could see the vig kill, and use it to get ez mis-lynch
so ???

[WhyMafia]

To me it's
60% Llama
30% Mario
10% Mulch

[Mulch]

This "twilight" thing is triggering me

[LlamaFluff]

Why did you think it was a hammer?

I thought AUN voted.

@Llama a scum watcher seemed likely to me because we had a vigilante. The vigilante theoretically could kill two town or 1 town/1 scum. Then the watcher could see the vig kill, and use it to get ez mis-lynch
so ???

Scum watcher is a really rare role and not a pure counter to a vig. Its more of a general counter to any role, and a weak scum one. If you want to counter a vig in particular, you put in a role like doctor or BP.

More for WM though:

@WM - What did this mean after the hammer on alban?

damn

The self-vote

So you went from "oh its completely alban" to "wow he is town and shouldn't be lynched" after the self vote? If you thought he was scum why express disappointment in that? If you knew he was town though, feigned frustration makes sense.

[Mulch]

What do y'all think about Llama "twilight" post?

[LlamaFluff]

If I am going to be lynched, AUN has the hammer too. No matter who gets lynched AUN has the hammer for that matter because he has final say right here.

[Mulch]

Where/when did you think awesome had voted? Generally

[LlamaFluff]

Somewhere between the last VC and your vote. I don't know if I had just read intention to vote as a vote by mistake but I thought that was day. I still hold that he has any hammer.

[WhyMafia]

So you went from "oh its completely alban" to "wow he is town and shouldn't be lynched" after the self vote? If you thought he was scum why express disappointment in that? If you knew he was town though, feigned frustration makes sense.

I said damn because I wasn't sure what to make of that self-vote ...

[WhyMafia]

What do y'all think about Llama "twilight" post?

Not sure TBH

[LlamaFluff]

So you went from "oh its completely alban" to "wow he is town and shouldn't be lynched" after the self vote? If you thought he was scum why express disappointment in that? If you knew he was town though, feigned frustration makes sense.

I said damn because I wasn't sure what to make of that self-vote ...

So you were happy with the lynch?

If you were around to unvote before Mulch hammered, would you have and why?

[WhyMafia]

So you went from "oh its completely alban" to "wow he is town and shouldn't be lynched" after the self vote? If you thought he was scum why express disappointment in that? If you knew he was town though, feigned frustration makes sense.

I said damn because I wasn't sure what to make of that self-vote ...

So you were happy with the lynch?

If you were around to unvote before Mulch hammered, would you have and why?

I'd have kept my vote. I was wrong, but I viewed the self-vote as NAI

[Ircher]

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Day 4 VC #4

Awesomeusername (0) -
WhyMafia (1) (L-2) - LlamaFluff (1633)
Mulch (0) -
MarioManiac4 (0) -

LlamaFluff (2) (L-1) - WhyMafia (1636), Mulch (1689)

No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Awesomeusername, MarioManiac4

Lynch Threshold

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

Day 4 will end by August 16, 2017 5:30 PM EDT or in (expired on 2017-08-16 17:30:00).

Moderator Notes

Have fun!

Friendly reminder to be respectful to everyone at all times.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 4

WhyMafia: LlamaFluff (1636)
Mulch: Awesomeusername (1609) --> (Null) (1610) --> LlamaFluff (1646) --> (Null) (1658) --> LlamaFluff (1689)
LlamaFluff: WhyMafia (1633)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 3

WhyMafia: Alban (1553)
Mulch: Scorpious (1468) --> Alban (1557) --> (Null) (1564) --> Alban (1573) --> (Null) (1582) --> Alban (

1595*

)

Scorpious

: WhyMafia (1556) --> Alban (1579)

Alban

: WhyMafia (1552) --> Alban (1592)
MarioManiac4: Scorpious (1465) --> (Null) (1551)

Day 2

Awesomeusername: WhyMafia (1427) --> (Null) (1435) --> No Lynch (1436)
WhyMafia: Alban (867) --> Awesomeusername (1191) --> Alban (1223) --> Scorpious (1323) --> No Lynch (

1437*

)

Steel

: LlamaFluff (955) --> Scorpious (1325) --> (Null) (1410) --> Alban (1426)
Mulch: Alban (918) --> Scorpious (945) --> Alban (957) --> Awesomeusername (972) --> Alban (1006) --> LlamaFluff (1090) ==> LlamaFluff (1098) --> Alban (1113) --> LlamaFluff (1154) --> Alban (1156) --> Scorpious (1200) --> LlamaFluff (1267) --> Scorpious (1268) --> (Null) (1389) --> No Lynch (1432)

Scorpious

: Alban (1229) --> (Null) (1313) --> WhyMafia (1340) --> No Lynch (1434)

Alban

: WhyMafia (869)
MarioManiac4: Awesomeusername (1006) --> Scorpious (1244)
LlamaFluff: Mulch (961) --> No Lynch (1431)

Day 1

Awesomeusername: Scorpious (73) --> I am Innocent (205) --> (Null) (387) --> Vedith (496) --> (Null) (565) --> LlamaFluff (586) --> (Null) (597)

Vedith

: Carcalilly (88) --> Tchill13 (135) --> Steel (193) --> WhyMafia (455) --> Scorpious (459) --> Carcalilly (580) -->

Vedith (755)*

Lil Uzi Vert

(replaced by WhyMafia)

: MarioManiac4 (192) --> Steel (256)
WhyMafia

(replaced Lil Uzi Vert)

: Alban (460) --> Carcalilly (571) --> Vedith (588) --> Carcalilly (591) --> Vedith (727)

Steel

: No Lynch (127) ==> No Lynch (182) --> Lil Uzi Vert (254) --> (Null) (272) --> Carcalilly (279) --> Scorpious (419) --> Vedith (442) --> (Null) (469) --> Vedith (545) --> LlamaFluff (537) --> Carcalilly (570)
Io: Steel (67) --> Io (132) --> (Null) (164) --> I am Innocent (204) --> MarioManiac4 (365) --> (Null) (428) --> Vedith (618) --> (Null) (724)

Scorpious

: Lil Uzi Vert (99) --> (Null) (482) --> Vedith (587)

Alban

: Vedith (104)

Tchill13

: Carcalilly (129) --> (Null) (147) --> Vedith (231) --> Scorpious (437) --> (Null) (475) --> Carcalilly (592)

Carcalilly

: MarioManiac4 (78) --> Vedith (90) --> Lil Uzi Vert (102) ==> Lil Uzi Vert (120) --> Io (133) --> Tchill13 (138) --> MarioManiac4 (170) --> Vedith (298) --> MarioManiac4 (377) --> Alban (602) --> Vedith (695)
MarioManiac4: Carcalilly (66) --> (Null) (157) --> Tchill13 (174) --> Scorpious (176) --> Steel (189) --> (Null) (289) --> MarioManiac4 (340) --> Vedith (345) --> Scorpious (405)
I am Innocent (

replaced by LlamaFluff

): Carcalilly (69)
LlamaFluff (

replaced I am Innocent

): Vedith (532)

Dawn

Awesomeusername: MarioManiac4 (7)

Vedith

: Tchill13 (13) --> Scorpious (24)

Tchill13

: MarioManiac4 (49)

Carcalilly

: Vedith (15) --> MarioManiac4 (19) --> Scorpious (30) --> MarioManiac4 (58)
MarioManiac4: Vedith (4) --> Carcalilly (50)

[awesomeusername]

I'm not really sure what to think of the "twilight post." Doesn't strike me as particularly genuine or fake. What are your thoughts?

Mulch has played ridiculously scummy throughout the game, but I think has enough grip on what good scum night play would be. Scum night kills have been a comedy of errors just based on lack of them being optimal.

Okay, so I assume this is the post where Llama explains why Mulch is less likely scum than WM. I wanted to see why this view changed after pushing for Mulch so much on Day 2. To Llama's credit, I did notice this shift starting to happen during Day 3; see 1586.

But @Llama: Are you really making this decision based off the weird night kills? I don't think I like that. I feel like night kills are usually WIFOM-y and weird, and not really a valid reason to lynch one person over another. Is that really the only reason you think Mulch is less scummy? And can you explain why you're so confident in your NKA?

@Llama's 1654: I want to point out that LUV and WM are the same slot, and Carcalilly definitely played Connect Four with LUV, so it's not true that she didn't interact with the slot. There's an RVS(?) vote in 102 and a light defend in 263. Tbh this might actually support your case, unless you think two scum wouldn't want to associate themselves early game. Scorpious also RVS votes LUV in 99.

While I'm at it, Llama's slot is IAI at the time. Scorpious' 142 is hilarious in hindsight if both LUV/WM and Carca are scum, while 391/392 are quite odd if Scorpious knows IAI/Llama is scum. Also, I recall IAI falling under suspicion for shading the Connect Four players in 106, and has a weird anti-follow-up in 116. And he RVS votes Carca in 69. I kinda don't think that literally all IAI did in the game was push on/interact with his buddy. I mean it's not impossible, but I'm kinda talking myself out of Llama right now. :/

@Llama: Clearly you disagree now, but in 1257 you said WM was "town for D1 play." Can you explain why you thought that at the time? And if possible, why you 180'd? Also can you respond to this (sorry, lots of questions for you):

Llama how are you so confident in Mario town? Besides the weird day 1 thing but it's scummy to me that you've basically locked him as town over one thing, like it's not deserved.

@WM, Mulch: What do you think about scum!Llama proposing the plan at the end of Day 2? I get that he can do it to look town, but do you think this play is worth it?

In other news, I kind of town read Mulch's paranoia of me. I also thought briefly about who each hypothetical mafia might think their traitor is, but I think whoever it is, they assumed Scorpious' claim was legit because so few power roles. I still think that's why he died.

[WhyMafia]

Ugh I'm getting colder feet on Llama. Mario has good tone ... but not much else.
@AUN can you do an analysis on Mario? It seems like we're just ignoring that slot.

[Mulch]

Llama says in that post that they are 40% sure Alban is scum and is calling me scummy for hammering him. They even say their gut says Alban is scum. Let alone we were all in consensus agreement that he was scum, and even awesome gave me the OK to hammer. Yet I'm scummy for hammering?

[WhyMafia]

But how does that make Llama scum?

[WhyMafia]

That's just being irrational

[Mulch]

But how does that make Llama scum?

It's a bullshit way of shading me that they could use tmrw if you are town and get lynched.

[WhyMafia]

Yeah I've re-read
Lynchpool is Mario for today

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: mario

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: WhyMafia