Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[mastina]

One hundred sixth Votecount

:

(First Votecount D5)

Creature - 1 (A2)

Not Voting - 8 (Aronis, Titus, Vedith, Bulbazak, Creature, QuantumRadius, texcat, dramonic)

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

At deadline,

Creature

would be lynched.

Day 5's deadline is Monday, September 4th, at 10:15 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-09-05 01:14:37).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  

[dramonic]

thanks but no

vote: titus

[QuantumRadius]

thanks but no

vote: titus

dude
i can confirm her claim
stop
VOTE: creature

[A2]

Titus is a confirmed Bodyguard ffs
you think I'm willing to lynch the person that is keeping me alive right now you're wrong.

Vote Creature
that's scum for ya right there.

[A2]

Like
this isn't fucking rocket science.
Titus is town

You lynch Bulba and Creature
and then town wins.
GG

Your reads have been shit all game Dram.

[Creature]

It's clearly bus driver.

[Creature]

Otherwise Bulba and I banned-worthly threw the game for scum.

[Vedith]

I mean, we could lynch QR.

[A2]

Unless you're suggesting that Quantum saw my reads and goes "wow, Ali sure does have some good reads, AND eirs a 1-shot Desperado, maybe if we bring eir into light and em shoots scum then I can get to endgame and win regardless of who e shots" then otherwise no. Quantum isn't scum. The way they used their rolecop is towny.

They even discovered that Vedith was a Follower.
They verified that Titus is in fact a Bodyguard and not a Busdriver.

IF you want to entertain the idea that Titus and Quantum are scum together and Titus busdrived herself onto a hypothetical bodyguard, then we can massclaim and try to sniff one out.

Otherwise no.
Titus is not scum here.
Quantum is not scum here.

The person who is your strongman is Creature
The other scumfuck is Bulba who faked a guilty.

Now can we fucking lynch Creature please?

[A2]

This isn't rocket science.

[Vedith]

This isn't rocket science.

I wouldn't know if it was, to be honest.

[A2]

Then you can vote Creature for me, ja?

[Vedith]

I feel like this is just too simple.
But okay.

VOTE: Creature

RABBLERABBLERABBLE

[Bulbazak]

The person who is your strongman is Creature
The other scumfuck is Bulba who faked a guilty.

How in the world are you getting strongman? That makes zero sense now with everything we know about n1 and n3. Well, you're not believing what happened n3, but there's definitely a manipulative role, hence why I asked Quantum to investigate Titus. I can see Creature-scum knowing that Gin was unprotected n3 and shooting there, but not shooting Gin n2 is a big hangup. If Creature is not a protective role, then scum had easy access to Gin n2, but they chose not to shoot there. Why? I don't want to ignore this, because the last time something didn't quite add up and I ignored it, we assumed a Light townblock, set up and claimed all the actions ahead of time, and d4 happened. The only solace here is that Creature did not immediately vote the only person who should be scum to him, so that makes Creature-scum a little more likely. I just don't understand why scum would choose to kill Creature's biggest supporter if Creature was scum.

Vedith also didn't react negatively to the revelation that Quantum got a result of Follower on him, so we know that the possibility is not BS. Lynching Creature would be able to allow us to confirm Quantum once and for all. So consider my vote there. I just want to talk to Titus real quick before the day ends.

@Titus: Maybe you can see what I'm missing. 1.) Math was probably telling the truth about their actions, so they would have redirected Snarky to BTD. I don't believe scum would RB BTD, so that means Gin was sent there. Nos would more than likely RB you, because I think Math thinks very highly of their ability to see crumbs, and I think you would have been a high priority target (see the initial move to keep you from protecting). That leaves an ability unaccounted for. Do you think Math tells the truth about what it is? If so, why would Math follow through with their targeting? If not, what misdirectional ability could Creature have that wouldn't interfere with Math's redirect? 2.) If Creature is scum, why doesn't he kill Gin on n2? There would have been no protectives in the PT, and I'm pretty sure Math would know that. Why shoot off then? Couldn't they have achieved the same thing by just killing Gin and framing me for it? 3.) Why kill 79CE? Nancy was Creature's biggest defender. Why would scum kill them? All that would do is ensure the Creature lynch happens.

That VC is also still bugging me, but we can talk more about that later. I'd really like to connect, because I really think we're close here.

[A2]

OH
MY
FUCKING
GOD

There is no busdriver
Stop

Stop giving me WIFOM about what you want me to think here.

They left Gin alive so they could have a fucking 2nd roleblock because of the redirector.

[A2]

Like
Are you even paying attention to flips here dude?

[A2]

Math flipped R E D I R E C T O R
Of course they would want to leave Gin alive, with Gin alive they get a second roleblocking action.

[Bulbazak]

Except we know exactly where the redirect went n2! There was a whole freaking day about it! Gin would have been a wild card in that situation. You're essentially saying that after 2 successful days, and the execution of one of their members, a scum team with me and Math would look at each other and exclaim, "Hey! Let's commit collective suicide!". Stop cherry picking facts because you don't like the implications. Math tried to fake a guilty on me and was caught. Fact! They tried to back away when the heat built up and when other town member gave them the opportunity. Fact! I had to force the town to actually lynch scum. Fact! You have a whole day phase that should be slapping that Bulba-scum notion out of your head repeatedly. You have actions that don't make sense from Bulba-scum. Stop sticking your fingers in your ears and actually pay attention to what's happening.

[A2]

Oh yeah for a moment I forgot about that tbh.

Either way the thing is is that Math could just have strongman Ginngie if they wanted her dead. Fact was they kept Ginngie alive.

That redirect and everything Math said tbh sounds like a lot of fucking WIFOM to me.

Fact: Math was going down even without the guilty, the guilty was a last minute desperation play to attempt to buy them another day. If they claim it on a scumbuddy they get towncred for it. And tbh, yes, Math would have to bus to get themself out of that situation. You act like they had the illusion of free choice, they didn't. Because at the end of the day they were the lynch no matter what there.
Fact: Yeah that was kinda opportunistic of them tbh.
Fact: You bussed good job.
Fact: But then scum!Bulba faked a guilty.

[Vedith]

Vedith also didn't react negatively to the revelation that Quantum got a result of Follower on him, so we know that the possibility is not BS. Lynching Creature would be able to allow us to confirm Quantum once and for all. So consider my vote there. I just want to talk to Titus real quick before the day ends.

I'm investigative, so QR is a rolecop.
It just means what alignment.

Why didn't you take me into Light as promised?

[Bulbazak]

Fact: Math was going down even without the guilty, the guilty was a last minute desperation play to attempt to buy them another day. If they claim it on a scumbuddy they get towncred for it. And tbh, yes, Math would have to bus to get themself out of that situation. You act like they had the illusion of free choice, they didn't. Because at the end of the day they were the lynch no matter what there.

No they weren't. There was absolutely zero pressure on Math prior to that fake guilty. Math could have easily ridden out the day if they didn't say a thing. All of the pressure on them that day was due to the inconsistencies in their claimed play. If Math didn't say anything, you would have happily been trying to lynch Texcat or one of the other policy lynches.

Fact: Yeah that was kinda opportunistic of them tbh.

You're halfway there. Now think about what that means.

Fact: You bussed good job.

Except again, you're missing the point that it would have been an entirely unnecessary bus. I could have easily accepted Gin's terms of truce and lynched elsewhere. I didn't. You're missing why Math did what they did and just trying to associate it with "Herr dee durr, scum so stupid.". Except scum haven't been stupid. Not at all.

Fact: But then scum!Bulba faked a guilty.

That's an assumption based on what you want to be true. Again, what do I gain as scum by faking a guilty at that point? It would have been more beneficial to give a "They went nowhere." result, especially since I told Gin that negative results didn't mean as much with 2 scum still alive. It just meant they couldn't be on a team together. If you're scum faking an investigative, you don't blow your load right away. You wait for the opportune moment, and that wasn't it.

Look at what scum tried to accomplish d3, and then look at what happened the following night and day. Look at the big picture here. There's a reason I was paranoid of Titus last night. There was a reason I asked Quantum to look into her. And there was a reason I was acting so triumphant after Math flipped. Put the actual pieces together here.

[A2]

omg bulba is town isn't he...
I have my pride on the line for this read
Just to have it thrown away

[Bulbazak]

Why didn't you take me into Light as promised?

I am voting Math. Math is conf. scum to me. As for voting you into light, I want to get Titus in there first, that way the entire town bloc is in one place and can coordinate night actions. After that, we'll see. I may be open to it.

I told you I was going to vote Titus in first. Titus was strong town to me, and I wanted a protective more than an unknown. I did ask Quantum to look into your role, though. I would like the Light PT to vote you in after today is over. So consider that me upholding our agreement.

[Bulbazak]

I'm waiting for Titus, A2, then I'll vote Creature. I'm getting enough to quell any paranoia. I just want some answers, is all.

[Bulbazak]

There are a couple of other things that came about due to my paranoia last night as well. I really thought Titus was probably busdriver, and I desperately wanted to apologize to Quantum, because while I felt my request was necessary, I also felt I was sending him to his doom. There was no way I could see scum-Titus letting him live if he was going to get results that would damn her. I kept quiet, because I hoped that it wouldn't occur to the scum team, whereas my saying something would almost certainly ensure his death. I also realized that with a Titus busdriver, I couldn't really trust any results I'd get. However, if I could flip the script, I might make them a little more reliable. So, even though I said early on I'd be on Creature, I actually investigated Aronis to lessen the chance Titus could mess with my result. He went nowhere, btw.