Mini 1932: Dedede Fusion Collab (FIN)

[Bins]

my "should i just vote wisdom" was not a y or n answer

i wanted better reasons because i dont have any

[Wisdom]

will you mind if i deathtunnel you after valhalla flips scum?
It looks like youre trying to get pressure on dreal to counterwagon valhalla

[Realeo]

will you mind if i deathtunnel you after valhalla flips scum?
It looks like youre trying to get pressure on dreal to counterwagon valhalla

Wait. Isn't this me?

[Bins]

what

are you talking to realeo?
because why wouldnt he just vote you
also val is at one vote right

[Cephrir]

will you mind if i deathtunnel you after valhalla flips scum?
It looks like youre trying to get pressure on dreal to counterwagon valhalla

why would anyone do that when you already have a wagon on you

[Bins]

if you talking about me

just
ditto to the above but how am i trying to get pressure on anyone

[morph the cat]

{when warthogs fly, alisae, kraska}
{oil tycoons, Chaiotze}
{GL, Wisdom}
-----------------------------------
{bins, valhalla, implosion}
{drealz, nos}

can you talk about where your dreal read is at how

He's in our pile of null. Nothing he's posted except for a couple things in the very early game has given me a townfeel. Valhalla has dropped from null to an actual scumread, though, so that's where we want to vote.

It's kinda nice to finally have an actual scumread.

this is where we are right now.

town: realeo, ceph, guilty lion
kinda town: implosion, wisdom, bins, kraska, chaiotzu
maybe town (null): drealmerz
Not so town (scum): valhalla

I have to say though that when you can look at our huge pile of posts and say they ~all~ look like scumposts, it makes me want to just stop trying to read you and be happy if you're lynched. Because I don't think you're trying to read us.

[Bins]

you know im not trying to generalize but your entire approach has felt odd and you have had to make "excuses" for your play so far more than once like
"oh that was intentional that we came in here and posted weird"

just feels like even tho you made that claim nothing has really changed

[Wisdom]

what

are you talking to realeo?
because why wouldnt he just vote you
also val is at one vote right

no, im talking to you

[Wisdom]

will you mind if i deathtunnel you after valhalla flips scum?
It looks like youre trying to get pressure on dreal to counterwagon valhalla

why would anyone do that when you already have a wagon on you

because shes put herself in a position she cant vote me without looking terrible

[Wisdom]

ffery, do you agree with my bins concerns at all?

[Wisdom]

also val is at one vote right

lol
val is at 3 votes, but you knew that

[morph the cat]

ffery, do you agree with my bins concerns at all?

I don't know if you're right that she feels like she's positioned herself so she can't vote you.

She's made several posts that I didn't like because I thought she'd justify them in a certain way if asked, but then was surprised that she had an entirely different reason for what she said. I've been sort of in the process of trying to develop a model of how she thinks about this game and probably about how she thinks about games in general.

I'm kinda tired of trying with her because so much of her play feels static. I thought maybe it was because he reads were sort of stunted by her OT tunnel and going on v/la. I should probably rethink where she's placed in my list again. I bumped her up because of her reasoning for her WWF townread.

[Cephrir]

if bins voted you right now i don't think i'd blink an eye

but to be fair, i'm not paying much attention

pedit: @wis

[Wisdom]

none of their posts have seemed to come from scum / their confused read on nacho seemed to come from town (why would they just do the nacho thing all d1) / tone / i have other reasons but those are just speculative / their general attitude towards the game is towny / they're townreading me and that gives me good feels always / we have similar reads

idk tons, probably my strongest townread

what, this? This is one of the first things that gave me scumvibes

Its all generic reasoning i expect from scum

[Wisdom]

in fact
VOTE: bins

i like this more than valhalla, though theyre prolly buddies anyway

[morph the cat]

none of their posts have seemed to come from scum / their confused read on nacho seemed to come from town (why would they just do the nacho thing all d1) / tone / i have other reasons but those are just speculative / their general attitude towards the game is towny / they're townreading me and that gives me good feels always / we have similar reads

idk tons, probably my strongest townread

what, this? This is one of the first things that gave me scumvibes

Its all generic reasoning i expect from scum

It completely avoided the electric third rail she laid down when she said that Nacho's reaction to Tammy's concerns wasn't alignment indicative. Calling Tammy's read of nacho confused doesn't really strike me as generic reasoning. That was the part of her reasoning that I most liked. It got to heart the issue without invoking the high emotions that were part of both hydrae's play. If she'd used the emotional content of Tammy's play as a justification for a town read I would have been all over her for it. It's what I half-expected when I asked her the question.

[Realeo]

Does nobody here want to know what Bins has to said about GL? I do.

[morph the cat]

you know im not trying to generalize but your entire approach has felt odd and you have had to make "excuses" for your play so far more than once like
"oh that was intentional that we came in here and posted weird"

just feels like even tho you made that claim nothing has really changed

I can think of two times we did that: Cabd's early comments when I wasn't really around for RVS, and when he didn't include a GL read because of an ongoing game.

I don't see how you can call either of the stuff in our ISO around those two events as typical of our play in general.

Like I said, your reads, especially your read on us feels static. We've got an ungodly amount of content in the game.

[kraska]

main reason bins is scummy for me is how unnaturally unfazed she was by nacho's meltdown, im not even talking about her interpretation of it or how it affected her read on ot. im talking about how she didnt even comment on it as if it didnt happen, like, at all. i just dont see how someone genuinely trying to solve the game would completely disregard that and i find that this is a pretty recurring thing scum do

and when i think of bins i cant recall anything shes done other than push hard for an ot lynch. there're lots of "maybe"s in bins' reads today and i dont like that either

[morph the cat]

main reason bins is scummy for me is how unnaturally unfazed she was by nacho's meltdown, im not even talking about her interpretation of it or how it affected her read on ot. im talking about how she didnt even comment on it as if it didnt happen, like, at all. i just dont see how someone genuinely trying to solve the game would completely disregard that and i find that this is a pretty recurring thing scum do

and when i think of bins i cant recall anything shes done other than push hard for an ot lynch. there're lots of "maybe"s in bins' reads today and i dont like that either

Does she usually react or take into account that kind of emotion in games? She said she doesn't, iirc.

There's a slight inconsistency in that she read BYF's post-replace-me posts as townish, and I'd consider that a read of emotional content.

[kraska]

Does she usually react or take into account that kind of emotion in games? She said she doesn't, iirc.

i dont have any completed games with her, but im not talking about how it didnt affect her read on ot
im talking about how she pretended it didnt even happen when everyone else was discussing whether the emotion is real or not. like, she didnt give her input at all at the time but continued iterate the same "lynch ot" post over and over, it just seems really disingenuous to not comment at all about your biggest scumread's meltdown especially if it was the main the reason the wagon was losing steam at the time. it doesnt look she was even trying to get ot lynched for real

[Bins]

i tend to scumread emotion as theatre (just because im emotional as scum) but youre right i really didnt read those posts that hard

[Bins]

Does nobody here want to know what Bins has to said about GL? I do.

how do u mean

[Wisdom]

just vote her