Mini 1937 ~ Girls ♥ Girls 2: Mini's Apartment ~ Endgame

[Spiffeh]

This is why alts are

[redacted]

[Ginngie]

This is why alts are dumb

Seeing as we have no alt-ernative, I guess we just gotta suck it up >_>

[Spiffeh]

I still think it was ridiculously scummy of camn to act like the fact that I was "tunneling" her was
1. indicative of me being scum despite her being aware of my play style
2. meant that she "owed me nothing" and used this as a reason to ignore my many qualms with her

I don't really see any reason people are town reading camn other than meta reasons (which I can't relate to) and her "early content" which I don't really understand when looking at it.

EBWOP the original was hard to understand and redundant

[Caryatid]

Heartless is that based off of knowing his alt?

Because if so please enlighten me.

ugghhghhhhghghhh

i don't want to be in the business of outing alts but i can't get the idea out of my head and it took my ~60% scumread to ~95%

but rly just off of play and ignoring meta i think ashokas play is pretty scummy and is very lynchworthy. let's just stick to that.

I'm not in the alt-outing business either, so I'll neither confirm nor deny your guess.

[Spiffeh]

I agree Ahsoka Tano is scummy and worthy of being run up but I'm not gonna take someone's word for it that their original account makes them like 20 times scummier when I can't verify myself

And I'd prefer to focus on camn who is being largely overlooked by everyone for reasons I can't comprehend

[Ginngie]

I agree Ahsoka Tano is scummy and worthy of being run up but I'm not gonna take someone's word for it that their original account makes them like 20 times scummier when I can't verify myself

And I'd prefer to focus on camn who is being largely overlooked by everyone for reasons I can't comprehend

People that are over looked get looked at later

[Spiffeh]

Wow thanks for that brilliant insight

[Ginngie]

Ya know m, you never answered my question either

[Ginngie]

Ya know m, you never answered my question either

Like I'm starting to maybe come around to the fact that Gin is just really bad at mafia and is more avoiding reevaluating me out of stubbornness than malice

I can understand your anger at me, but what could you possibly have against the horse I ride on?

[Heartless]

Guys, I think Heartless is an alt

i think ur mom's an alt

[Spiffeh]

I don't know what you mean by "horse I ride on"

[Heartless]

Heartless is that based off of knowing his alt?

Because if so please enlighten me.

ugghhghhhhghghhh

i don't want to be in the business of outing alts but i can't get the idea out of my head and it took my ~60% scumread to ~95%

but rly just off of play and ignoring meta i think ashokas play is pretty scummy and is very lynchworthy. let's just stick to that.

I'm not in the alt-outing business either, so I'll neither confirm nor deny your guess.

btw i figured out who you are and i feel stupid it took me this long

[Caryatid]

<3

I knew you'd get there, friend

[Heartless]

I agree Ahsoka Tano is scummy and worthy of being run up but I'm not gonna take someone's word for it that their original account makes them like 20 times scummier when I can't verify myself

ok then forget i said anything about the alt and i'll do the same bc i'm not 100% sure i'm right and i don't think it's a good thing to center conversation around so i kinda regret bringing it up i just feel like it clicked w me when cary said what i quoted.

putting that aside, i think ashoka is scum just on the play in this thread. don't get complacent about ashoka being the lynch bc it's far from a done deal so if u agree w me that she's scun plz vote w me

[Imperium]

There's a part of me that wants to go never mind the.p catch up I'm jumping in from here, but my ocdish tendencies are like fndshghkmnbhjfhtriyukhfgfssfdg to use antihero' term.

Anyway, this game is ,y first priority and I'm hoping to get fully caught up today. That's probably a tall order as I'm 30 pages behind sand I read slow as shit, so I'll get as far as I can. If not I have time set aside tomorrow too.

I've been kinda skimming when I get the chance to have an idea of what's going on so I know that spiffeh responded to me and asked about my gin read, even if I don't get caught up today I'll respond to that. Right now I just want to get as current as I can.

[Caryatid]

Yay hi Tammy!

[Caryatid]

ur cute when you are agro.

I've been thinking about this post since yesterday.

camn, what were you trying to accomplish here?

[Kmd4390]

So I stopped reading at the right time. Next few pages are just about late night posting, drinking, spiff's "buildup" thing again, avatars, and whether we should use the word "dumb" or not.
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What do you think the scum benefit is to do what mastina did?

simple

to get town read

*shrug*. Maybe, but that only works for so long and then they'd need to fullclaim later to back it. Doesn't seem worth the trouble.

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I'm through 38 but already running late for work so will finish up tomorrow barring a post explosion.

[Imperium]

TTH prefers being scum.

I thought this at one time too, but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Why do you think this?

[Imperium]

I'm not going to ask a bunch of questions from early game cuz that's obnoxious and I see that TTH addressed that one already, but I'm wondering how much that belief formed the early read.

[Imperium]

First off, really like VNB's #345. Don't agree with all of the reads but some strike me as more skepticism than malice (ex. mastina) while others seem likely. I also just honestly buy the phone story. Conveniently sums up my feelings on Polar-ton of questions, range of usefulness in their answers, near 0 use for reading Polar.

Can't really say that I understand where you're coming from here - seemed like a pretty standard list to me. I believe the phone story, sure (odd thing to lie about), but I don't think it's an unreasonable way for those two to talk about the game as scum. As for the "more skepticism than malice" point, what do you mean by that? What would make their reads look more malicious? The read on NMS seemed simplistic almost to the point of being meaningless; I guess I could be being overly harsh here, but I didn't really parse anything beyond "I don't like that she townread a person who hasn't done much and Spiffeh wagon moved past!" - did you? I can buy that the Polar read is genuine (and slight town points for not jumping on an easy target), but I don't think that it's an observation that scum would have difficulty making.

I'm not really getting this. This is the type of thing you walk up to your hydra partner and just say "Hey, mind taking a look at Spiffeh for me?". Dunno what kind of underhanded signaling you need to get your own hydra partner to look at something. I'm still not really doubting this slot-I'd put it at my top slot next to Ginn-but this just makes me go ???

My general approach to this game is a bit of an experiment of sorts. I've found that in general I'm decent at pushing lynches but not so decent at directed said lynches on scum whereas Tammy gets scum more consistently than anyone I've ever played with but isn't as comfortable with the pushing lynches part. My idea is that we'll approach the game in (mostly) the same way but I'm going to have her put down most of the votes that our slot makes and see what kind of results we come up with. I'm aware that this is strange as fuck.

This is a really strong feeling about Spiffeh, with no clear basis. He had posted plenty since their pressure vote but there's no critique of any of that content from Carya.

The first sentence was a reference to Heartless, not Spiffeh - "I'm more worried about him slipping away" doesn't seem like a particularly strong feeling so I'm assuming you misunderstood Cary there. I agree that the timing of the Spiffeh vote in conjunction with no real interaction with him after he started posting is a bit weird; I'd imagine that a read that was recently brought into the spotlight and formerly was a townread would prod Cary to look into Spiffeh a bit more intently than it seems like they did (if that makes sense, I realize that sentence is clunky as shit but not really sure how to describe my thoughts better here).

[Imperium]

I'm not going to ask a bunch of questions from early game cuz that's obnoxious

[Imperium]

So in addition to not keeping vnb and polar vortex straight, I just read a post from prism thinking it was senpai and I was very confused. I'm not exactly sure what is causing these weird mix ups but be aware I'm having a mental blip just in case I attribute something to someone else.

[Imperium]

On Ginngie's self vote, I didn't like it at first but thought it may have been an emotional kind of thing which could come from either alignment. However, in the interaction with camn, ginngie comes off pretty calm and collected so I can only see it as a joke (doesn't come off that way at all) or a calculated attempt to accomplish something. I can't see what town would want to accomplish. tl;dr I still don't like the self vote.

I think that if the intention of Ginngie's self-vote was manipulative in the way that you and camn have implied (faking an emotional meltdown of some sort), then posts like #142, where she asks Spiffeh to vote her until next votecount or #160, where she points out that no one has asked her why she self-voted, go against the "poor me" image that a manipulative self-voter would be trying to cultivate. I think that Ginngie was trying to do exactly what she claimed she was doing; I think she was trying to encourage a wagon on herself to form reads. What do you think she was trying to accomplish as scum?

This post following those two lines of camn's post, however, feels like an attempt to shake pressure after JUST saying that Ginngie doesn't mind votes. So I'm leaning towards camn's observation being spot on rather than overthinking.

I don't really understand this line of thought + the "trying too hard to fake her own meta" line of thought attacking Ginngie, but I'm not really sure it's a place where we'll see eye to eye at all. I don't understand why you think Ginngie is trying too hard to fake her own meta when you're completely unfamiliar with her meta (what is she trying too hard to emulate?), and I don't understand at all how "you're a good noodle" is trying to shake pressure - do you think that Ginngie calling camn a good noodle is her trying to flatter camn so that her bloodlust dies out, or...?

The idea of a vig shooting negative utilities is nothing new. It seems unnecessarily risky for scum. It's just one dangerous trade off for I don't even know what benefit. I can only remember one time where scum fakeclaimed a negative utility and survived to endgame and that was in like 2009. Yes, I have townreads on both mastina and camn. The mastina one is still pretty weak because I haven't seen enough from that slot to have a confident read. The one on camn is a little stronger because I liked the exchange with Ginngie.

My argument is not that vig never shoots negative utility. My argument is that you're acting like all negative utility claims were created equal when mastina's claim is most certainly not a negative utility claim on the same level that Camn's was.

What didn't I answer?

Prism made the same point I just did in this quote:

mastina made it clear that it was only negative utility if a single other role existed. AKA, probably not actually negative utility.

[Caryatid]

Nacho, if you have questions about my reads progression on spiffeh that are not explained in 736, let me know.