In post 328, II Xigbar wrote: In post 321, IV Vexen wrote:Huh. Iso-ing Xig for a Xal case, and while the early stuff is still towny, the last few posts have been all kinds of meh. 307 particularly seems like... garbage. Like the whole concept...
"I lied about my reads so I could see what you'd do. And if you were town you could still do the exact same thing as I think you might have done as scum, because I'm afraid you're trying to pocket me."
1) This is hugely misrepresenting what actually happened and the specific manner feels like scum trying to spin me as scummy.
The specific act of the quotation marks (specifically creating a narrative about what I was doing) is something bad scum do a lot to push scumreads, and is a huge scumtell.
2) I lied about a scumread to see how it would influence their read on the slot. It's a minor thing that has many potential reactions.
I think that that particular response is what they would do as scum. They also -might- do it as town. I think that there are other reactions that would clearly demarcate town or scum.
Oh... And now you think I'm bad scum. I feel really sad
. I'm gonna go ahead and guarantee for you one thing. I'm not bad at scum. As town? Up for debate. But as scum I'm glorious.
As far as pushing a narrative goes, tell me exactly what is incorrect about what I quoted. That is my understanding of that post. If I'm wrong, tell me why. As far as the other end of things, please, enlighten me with some responses he could have made that would have been alignment indicative, if not for the only one he would have made if he were scum, but that he might have made as town anyway so it really didn't matter much.
Xiggy wrote: In post 322, IV Vexen wrote:Larxy and Lexy (who should really be masons with names like that) appear to have sheeped Xig. Whose reasoning amounted to not liking Xal's first three posts. Luxia, from context of 314-316 appears to be voting out of some weird concern for the deadline. Like, if Saix weren't making such wonderfully jiggly motions in response to my vote on him, I'd vote Luxia for those three. It's just so gross that it makes me want to stop eating for a couple of weeks. It's weird to me that a wagon so full of townreads can also look like such hot garbage. I'm probably gonna need to spend some serious time reevaluating that nest of crazy.
Quotes where you talk about your intent to think about things as opposed to actually thinking about things, on top of being LAMIST as fuck, are a huge scumtell.
Are they? See, for me they remind me to do things. As in, I'm going to do this later. So I don't forget and not follow up on something that could be important.
Baby wrote: In post 324, IV Vexen wrote:Hmm. At what approximate point in the game did you learn their identity. And vice versa.
The answer to this is clearly visible in the game.
I feel like if he were -that- concerned about this issue that he would have carefully looked for this answer himself.
Or... I could have you, who is clearly aware of exactly when it happened link it to me and save me a buttload of time. Time I then could use to look at the two wagons we have available and gag.
Is wrote: In post 320, IV Vexen wrote:As far as Axel's alignment goes, I haven't the foggiest. That's pretty much the reason I asked you why you were voting him in 306, which I'd still like you to respond to, btw. I just feel that your overconfidence, hypocrisy, and dismissal of literally every other player you have to read is probably scum. I'm adding the tu quoque, loaded question, and fact you ignored me until I suspected you to the list of reasons your role pm is red as well, btw.
Showy and played up declaration that he doesn't know what alignment Axel is. To put it in one word it would again be LAMIST but that doesn't go to the heart of why it's scummy.
He's making a point of declaring himself uninformed. Also, calling them in an overblown manner overconfident hypocritical and dismissive of literally every other player again feels scummy.
Also, that final sentence is out of place and something I've seen from scum a lot: after all, why would he be telling his scumreads about the additions to the reasons that he scumreads them?
Oh, shit. You've found out I'm showy and theatrical. Next you'll talk about how I like to make jokes and annoy the moderator. It's like you know me!
Or perhaps the overblown manner was because the question itself was ridiculous. Saix was asking me why I was questioning his push on Axel like the only possible reason for me to question it was because I had a hard townread on Axel. That's a false premise, and one I met with gusto. As far as overconfident:
In post 303, VII Saix wrote:Who is opposed to Axel lynch and why?
This decision can't happen closer to the deadline. Scurrying for a legit lynch at the last moment will results in a mislynch.
Well, this is ridiculously overconfident. Especially given the lack of stated reasons for his read. Dismissive of the other players? Prior to my replacement, his most recent posts not exclusively about Axel were
185 which is a dismissal of the conftown and
156 where he criticizes a read of... Axel. Since my replace in, he's also interacted with me, who is actively scumreading him, and Luxia, who is actively engaging him. That's it. No one else.
Hypocrisy?
156,
263,
317. There's more, but honestly, you seem experienced enough to be able to click the ISO button.
Really wrote: In post 321, IV Vexen wrote:Like, I could understand this kind of paranoia from someone like mastina or thor on the outside, but there's 0 weight behind Xig's name here so there wouldn't be any reason to try to pocket him specifically.
I could understand the lying about reads if you thought it would catch scum, but here though it sounds like you know the result is gonna be mostly null.
I can't shake the feeling that this post comes from someone who knows who I am.
No, I know the current reaction was null: if they challenged my read and they flipped scum I would super heavily townread them. Certain types of discomfort would indicate scum.
It's fairly clear what I was aiming for and you're calling me scummy for the act of lying about my reads, but what exactly is scum!Xigbar's scum motivation to do this?
Is it cause you're Thor? Cause I'm guessing at this point that you're Thor. Which would probably make Zex Reckoner, given that I can only remember one ms wedding and I'm pretty sure reck's best friends were Thor and Jiffy. And you ain't Jiffy. If you are thor, I'm very upset by the lack of neutral faces so far in this game and you're gonna have to step that up.
Also, you pretty much missed the entire point of that post. The point was that I didn't see a reason for either Xig to make that post. It was a super odd post. I'm going to double check the stated belief that Zex knew who you were and that you were aware of this knowledge, but it looks like paranoia that neither scum nor town Xig should have. Which would point at the interaction being forced or staged somehow.
Cute wrote: In post 321, IV Vexen wrote:And that last line seems like a scum talking to someone they're afraid of catching them as town. Which ALSO doesn't make any sense, regardless of alignment, because there should be no way for Xig to know if Zex is good at catching them.
Seriously, wth was this?
I have so many fucking times made reference to my altguesses on different slots and this feels like you're trying to lock -no one knows anything- to help you push a narrative.
So from my point of view you've either not read anything this game or are just scum trying to get an angle to push me off of.
Which is it?
Hey, I resent that. I've read almost some of the thread. I was at like page 11 when I stopped reading the first time, and I've read like five ISO's since then. Granted, looking for anything resembling a case, but I did look through them. I probably just ignored any guesses as to identities because of the whole "This is a secret alt game where we're not ALLOWED to out our identities." angle of things. It seems like a waste of time to me, a waste of threadspace, and a great distraction to scumhunting.
With wrote: In post 324, IV Vexen wrote:Hmm. At what approximate point in the game did you learn their identity. And vice versa.
Even this doesn't feel like an appropriate reaction. If he was so certain that no one could know anyone's names, he wouldn't so readily back down on it.
Cute. But humor me. Worst case I'm scum and you lynch me, thus the conversation is wasted time. Best case I'm town and I've caught scum, which I guess is still worst case for you, but you know, only if your alignment is scum.
This! wrote:
This comes from scum the vast, vast majority of the time.
Does it? Incredulity is scum now. Huh, whoda thunk. Well, now, onto more important and less inane things...