I really don't feel a need to repeat them for you.In post 3649, TwoInAMillion wrote:What are GR's and Frog's claims again?
They could have won when Paul's vote was on me, if they all were scum.In post 3647, Thor665 wrote:What if both are scum, and GR is also scum?In post 3643, Flavor Leaf wrote:IT"S CALLED THE FUCKING TEAM DOES IT. Not just him. There isn't only one scum. Two people already on me, if one of those people are town, then scum can quick hammer and win.In post 3640, Thor665 wrote:I am thinking, slow your big role.In post 3633, Flavor Leaf wrote:Think for once, holy fuck.
If GR is scum and wanted to lynch you, he would need 3 votes on you and then to vote you also.
He never had that.
So why do you rule him out?
Is it just that you're absolutely convinced he would be willing to be the third vote with two others who may or may not be his scumbuddies?
Your clear isn't making a lot of sense to me.
Explain it without cussing at me or calling me names, you're a big boy, you can do it.
How do you know that isn't the setup?
Also, what if GR was waiting for another of his scumbuddies to come along and vote you so he could hammer because he thought his vote would make, let's say town frog, freak out and unvote. That also could be an issue.
Why did you rule both of those possibilities out?
Some extra thoughts added.In post 3647, Thor665 wrote:What if both [frog and Una] are scum, and GR is also scum?
How do you know that isn't the setup? [it would even make sense for scum Una to be pressing you instead of the person he functionally has a guilty on, and may also explain why Frog and GR countered each other yesterday but didn't vote each other]
Also, what if GR was waiting for another of his scumbuddies to come along and vote you so he could hammer because he thought his vote would make, let's say town frog, freak out and unvote. That also could be an issue.
Why did you rule both of those possibilities out?
In post 3649, TwoInAMillion wrote:What are GR's and Frog's claims again?
No, that's not right unless I'm missing something - show me where that vote was.In post 3651, Flavor Leaf wrote:They could have won when Paul's vote was on me, if they all were scum.
Sure, I understand why it can make sense for you. I just explained why my confbias counters that, and why I personally know that's not the case. That means nothing to you, I get it, but at the same time, you gotta understand that as town, that's all I can really explain it as. Their confbias will counter mine, and that is the circular reasoning I've been trying not to. I get that I can't convince you through that, but get why I absolutely can't explain those possibilities false by basically any other means.In post 3652, Thor665 wrote:Some extra thoughts added.In post 3647, Thor665 wrote:What if both [frog and Una] are scum, and GR is also scum?
How do you know that isn't the setup? [it would even make sense for scum Una to be pressing you instead of the person he functionally has a guilty on, and may also explain why Frog and GR countered each other yesterday but didn't vote each other]
Also, what if GR was waiting for another of his scumbuddies to come along and vote you so he could hammer because he thought his vote would make, let's say town frog, freak out and unvote. That also could be an issue.
Why did you rule both of those possibilities out?
Like, this narrative actually can make a lot of sense.
So why'd you rule it out so strongly that you have to SCREAM AT THOR for even remotely questioning why you did it?
In post 3555, frog wrote:I have not been on any lynch wagons.In post 3553, Flavor Leaf wrote:You've only been on 1 lynch wagon, and it was town. So 100% of the lynches you've been on were town. Mario was an actual scum, and you are playing a game where you are staying off the wagons. Una knew Mario was lying and was still giving him a chance. You've had Paul pushing the lynches through anyways.In post 3552, frog wrote:What do you find particularly convincing? For someone who places a lot of significance on players being on town wagons, why are you disregarding Flavor Leaf's and Game Replacement's presence on several of them?In post 3550, TwoInAMillion wrote:What it comes down to for me is Una and Frog are providing a much worse argument than Flavor is. Even though I distrust Flavor because of day 4, I am inclined to vote with him.
'Try again'
As much as I am trying to convince TiaM, I am also trying to sort him. It was something of a turnabout, don't you think? I am also not a fan of you arbitrarily dividing the three remaining players. The only dividing lines today are between Una and I and you and GR.In post 3554, Flavor Leaf wrote:Also, the way you are trying to convince Two, even though if you were town, at this point he would be confirmed scum to you. The fact you were still trying to convince him shows Thor that our 3 is the town 3.
In post 3556, UnaBombaH wrote:This still doesn't follow logic if I was scum.In post 3553, Flavor Leaf wrote:na knew Mario was lying and was still giving him a chance.
As scum, and ESPECIALLY as scum I would want to lynch Mario right away.
If anything, my hesitation should prove to you that I am town.
I don't like to repeat myself a million times, but I was weighting whether he was SK or BP-mafia.
And if he was SK, would he be of more assistance to Town if we let him live.
And the most important thing: I wanted to use the opportunity to crumb more, but not completely reveal myself/claim.
You make it more complicated than it ever was.
In post 3557, Game Replacement wrote:Why are you not trying to sort NTRP?In post 3555, frog wrote:As much as I am trying to convince TiaM, I am also trying to sort him.
In post 3558, Game Replacement wrote:Either are scum, why would it matter?In post 3556, UnaBombaH wrote:but I was weighting whether he was SK or BP-mafia.
So that's a lie right there.
In post 3559, UnaBombaH wrote:This just screams manipulation.In post 3554, Flavor Leaf wrote:The fact you were still trying to convince him shows Thor that our 3 is the town 3.
"X shows Thor Y" is you trying to place your own thoughts on him.
And TiaM completely making a 180 turn after saying he still suspects you most is confirming him as scum to me too.
You decided to go with a full-on play to win today, because you realize how much you lose ground if either of you or GR flip today.
This day seems like the real "decisive moment" to me, if we survive today, we most likely win the game.
these time stamps prove that those 3 could have won the game if they were the scum team, and Paul was town. They were all online at the same time, all had multiple posts. I didn't even quote all of them. That page is full of those 3, and the page prior had Paul post his vote on me.In post 3567, frog wrote:So scummy, staying off wagons on players I townread and players that have claimed power roles...In post 3562, Flavor Leaf wrote:h fuck, that's even scummier. I thought you were on Mulch, lol. Purposefully staying off wagons.
Of course, lolhammering power roles is something town does, right?
I was getting to it. Chill.In post 3657, Thor665 wrote:Are you intentionally avoiding my question about the Paul vote?
I am now going to escalate my question to the claim that you're calling GR town because, well, he's your scumbuddy and you need the voting block.
Can you show evidence of your reasoning that defeats this accusation?
I GOT A FUCKING NO RESULT ON FUCKING EDDIE AND HE CLAIMED NOBODY TARGETED ME AFTER GR COUNTERED HIM.In post 3654, Thor665 wrote:I see no logic for frog being lock scum for you.
Okay, now let's go with a different theory team.In post 3667, Flavor Leaf wrote:I brought up the possibility of Frog/GR countering each other ignorantly or scum theatre wise, and then they pushed myself and Una respectively, and whenever they had enough votes to quick hammer, they would change over and win the game.
In post 3669, Thor665 wrote:Okay, now let's go with a different theory team.In post 3667, Flavor Leaf wrote:I brought up the possibility of Frog/GR countering each other ignorantly or scum theatre wise, and then they pushed myself and Una respectively, and whenever they had enough votes to quick hammer, they would change over and win the game.
GR/NTRP/Una
How do you rule them out? At that stage they never had the chance to put you in quicklynch range, and thus your town clear of GR is meaningless.
No?
It's quite odd to have all the roles with modifiers in them. I'm just trying to sort them out. So, GR and you(Flavor) could be scum together, fabricating your claims, or Frog could be scum with an unknown buddy.In post 3653, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 3649, TwoInAMillion wrote:What are GR's and Frog's claims again?
GR is a claimed odd night weak role cop, who targeted me Night 3, and got JOAT as a result. Weak means if they target scum, they die. If GR is town, that auto confirms me as town.
Frog is an Odd-Night Watcher who claimed to watch me Night 3 and nobody targeted me. I have the loyal modifier which means my actions only work if I target town. If I target scum, the action fails, thus my No Result when investigating Eddie. Frog claimed nobody targeted me after Eddie and I claimed our actions. GR countered Frog after that in his first post back. Eddie flipped town, proving from my perspective at least, that somehow I was blocked, proving that scum have some sort of role blocker and blocked me, proving that Frog lied about nobody targeting me.
Sure, this is from my bias, but that's why I'm so angry at this game. Scum have to be Frog, Una, Paul. I post my heart out. And people push everything I say away.
Two, you are conf town in my book due to you being able to win the game if you were scum already by just voting which ever side you knew wouldn't be your partners. Also, if you were scum, I feel you would definitely know the claims and whatnot.
You're not showing your work, so I'm just having to ask a few questions so I understand it.In post 3668, Flavor Leaf wrote:Like wtf even was that question about why am I not ruling out other possible scum teams? I AM!!!!!! I don't understand how you can think I'm not. At all.