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I'm actually scum.In post 10, TwoInAMillion wrote:Mulch is town for only having two words in his first post.-
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It probably wasn't, but I wanted to spend a game for once not scumreadIn post 24, TwoInAMillion wrote:Why do you think claiming mason on day 1 is a smart pro town move?-
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No, Nero is apparent having trouble posting lol
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What?In post 40, TwoInAMillion wrote:So if most people don't think you could be scum will mafia shoot you?-
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Nero and I both think he's towny...
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I was very self aware when I was scum with you. What are you talking about?In post 54, TwoInAMillion wrote:Scum mulch is not this self aware this early on. He tries to play cool as scum.-
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I'm not usually one to go down this road but could you maybe give examples?In post 56, TwoInAMillion wrote:Nah I disagree.-
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These words come from scum many timesIn post 78, IgnitionUSMC wrote:Why are people pushing Mario?-
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Yeah I'm not getting why they think ignition is town when my first gut reaction to them is scum. Makes it more likely Mario is just fabricating readsIn post 86, osuka wrote:Mario is confscum-
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You don't think scum could easily say "why is Mario Wagoned"?In post 90, MarioManiac4 wrote:I feel like his reaction to my wagon of trying to find reasoning is inquisitive and less likely to be scum than most other things in the thread.
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Why do you think so?In post 92, MarioManiac4 wrote:
Lol Mulch is actually scum this game.In post 88, Mulch wrote:
Yeah I'm not getting why they think ignition is town when my first gut reaction to them is scum. Makes it more likely Mario is just fabricating readsIn post 86, osuka wrote:Mario is confscum-
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In post 90, MarioManiac4 wrote:I feel like his reaction to my wagon of trying to find reasoning is inquisitive and less likely to be scum than most other things in the thread.
What's more you actually only responded to 88 after you made this post, which means you hadn't read it yet. So I will ask again : what were the scummy things other people did I'm the thread that were more likely to be scum than ignitions post?In post 95, MarioManiac4 wrote:Your 88 is the first scummy thing in the thread imo.-
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Mario, why did you say that you townread him because other thing were scummy in the thread (as well as that you thought it was inquisitive) if there were no other things scummy in the thread and the only reason things were scummier was because you townread him in the first place? The sky is blue because of pixels. Why? Because the sky is blue.
That's the format you took here.
Besides that it's one of the most incredibly easy things for scum to do to openly and nakedly ask why to the first town wagon, because they know they can't take heat for that.-
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Not feeling it. You got gut right now?
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Alright. So probably some of you are wondering where I'm going with all these questions to Mario.
Well, first off I sort of gut scum him due to his first couple of posts. Obviously that's not super accurate but from what I've played with him he's pretty free flowing and active and he seemed to get too serious too quickly for me. I mean, yeah, in general that's equal equity to both scum and town but it just seemed unusual for him.
Then he sort of says 2mil is scum. The thing is, 2mil is lynchbait as town which dosen;t exactly MAKE him town but honestly when I had read him I read it as town through meta, which yeah Mario woulden't have known but still. Mario pushing him for it (however jokingly) COULD come from town that dosen't really know 2million but could ALSO come from scum who want an easy target. So, yeah, something to keep in mind that ringed my alarm bells. I also sort of townread him with his brutally honest way of role fishing of me, which I'm like 99% sure that newb scum are worried about being accused of and is really inquisitive town. So EVEN if Mario is saying his dayvig comment in 39 is a joke (which dosen't exactly seem like a joke to me?), it's still weird.
Honestly 83 from Mario is pretty horrible too. He basically is subtly saying "when I'm town I am lynchbait." The thing is, town are much more likely in my experience to just say it openly, yeah I get lynched a lot as town. Even then, they get accused, which is why scum sorta want to try and avoid it. But Mario's comment there has the EFFECT of saying he is lynchbait without the acceptance of the consequences of scummyness he would get if he said it openly. So yeah, a pretty generally scummy thing there.
He also starts out with 2 townreads which one of them I can easily see (creature), who already is getting involved and seems towny at least by gut, but then ignition. Ignition for me maybe I'm having a different reflection cause I've played with him on mafia universe, had an uncharacteristically weak opening by just asking "why is Mario being wagoned?". Not only is this weird for him (which I can't fault Mario for) but it's a super super super typical newb scum opening, so from mario PoV I cannot for the life of me how he sees this as town or newbtown even. Like, if your scum and a town is being wagoned just asking why he's being wagoned is a way for you to get "towncred" without taking heat. Mario's an experienced player, he should pick up on this.
On the other hand, I do find it a little bit TOO scummy to be scum to openly townread those that are townreading you, but that's only a small plus in Mario's direction.
Let's go through 90. I want to know why he townreads Ignition who was actually the second scummiest imo in the thread so far to Mario. He says towhyhe is town, says 2 things: 1) He's being inquisitive, which is a surface level reasoning that COULD come from town!Mario but again I'm outlining in the stuff before why it's sort of weird for him to say that, and then 2) "less likely to be scum than most other things in the thread"
Now, at this point I'm wondering, what exactly are the things "other" in the thread that are so scummy that they make ignition look towny on comparison?
Mario then uses circular logic, which again isn't neccecarily scummy but just something weird, where he basically goes on a loop of saying that other things were scummy BEACUSE ignition's post is towny...as some way of expaining that ignition's post is towny in the first place. See the problem here?
Another thing: He is super confident I'm scum this game, (92) based on 88 by him. Now, I am actually townreading the fact he picked up on it, because imo saying you mindmeld or anti mindmeld is something town and scum do, but it's definitely not something ONLY scum do. And I'll be a little LAMIST here and say that it IS something town do because I'm town That's why the level of confidence he's expressing in his scumread of me is weird. He's super sure, and he's voting me, based on one post that I actually think makes sense? If I disagree with his first gut reactions, less likely we are on the same team. To put it simply.
Here's the thing. Even after all these things, I'm not sure Mario is scum. I can see bewildered town who just wanted to get into things early, thinks I'm scum for pushing bullshit on him (which, to be fair, if he really is town he could think I'm scum trying to make a fancy case), and honestly in my experience it's a common mistake for town to have to townread those that question his wagon. (More specifically, I think it's a town POV to townread those that question your wagon because you know the wagon is bad because your town). But shoulden't Mario at least see where I am coming from here? It's super hard but I consider him a good quality player that might be able to avoid confirmation bias, especially cause he just finished a game where he TvT attacked someone until the end. Shoulden't he realize that I have a towny mindset right now?
I'm hoping this big posts clears it up, basically. So my thoughts are clear.-
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In other news I think that big wallpost unfortunately is NAI cause town have been known to ask pointless questions as well as scum, but tbh I think it's something to keep an eye on because a lot of those qustions could be answered by reading the thread, and that person could be trying to look busy and scumhunting when they really aren't. SOME of the quesitons are good but most really aren't. It also just fits the mold of typical scum catchup post.
I think UnaBombah is slightly more likely to be scum cause Cloud has replaced out as scum before.
And finally, I do think Ignition's one naked thing on Mario is uncharacteristic and typical newb scum.
I think that if Ignition is scum, Mario is town, though. They could be better scum than I thought but I don't think they are partners.-
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Honestly I've seen too many town caught up in bad logic and turn to flip town that I can't really say I'm confident Mario is scum :/
But yeah some discreptancies are there.
Honestly probably think Ignition has a better chance of flipping scum, lol, after all that. Want to see more posts by them before I make a decision.-
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Yeah, it's meta. This is why I said "from when I've played with him" lol . Check out um Ircher's last game. I agree with you that it's not scummy in general (I think I actually said this in the post when I said it's equal equity to town and scum) but it's scummy for Mario in particular. He's serious cause he's getting townreads early and the dayvig thing on twomillion was seemingly a joke but had hidden scumread underneath. Honestly, I think even his jokes are a little forced.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
Is this meta or what you expect from MarioManiac4? Do you have any examples of him being less serious at game start at the beginning?Mulch wrote: Well, first off I sort of gut scum him due to his first couple of posts. Obviously that's not super accurate but from what I've played with him he's pretty free flowing and active and he seemed to get too serious too quickly for me. I mean, yeah, in general that's equal equity to both scum and town but it just seemed unusual for him.
Even if so I do not agree that getting serious "too quickly" is scummy and there are other factors besides alignment which can effect this.
Also, can you explain what you mean by serious? I seem to recall him counterclaiming you as mason. Did you think that was serious? It seems you're biasing yourself
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Exactly, it's more of a null point. It's not something town would know, again I said this lol (that it COULD come from town). But I also know it's opportunistic of wolves. It's a null point to be sure but yeah.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
This sort of thinking doesn't make sense to me. You're acknowledging that 2mil is "lynchbait as town" so it shouldn't be scummy for MarioManiac4 to have a scumread there, right? You're even saying he wouldn't have known, this seems more like a null point.Mulch wrote:Then he sort of says 2mil is scum. The thing is, 2mil is lynchbait as town which dosen;t exactly MAKE him town but honestly when I had read him I read it as town through meta, which yeah Mario woulden't have known but still. Mario pushing him for it (however jokingly) COULD come from town that dosen't really know 2million but could ALSO come from scum who want an easy target. So, yeah, something to keep in mind that ringed my alarm bells. I also sort of townread him with his brutally honest way of role fishing of me, which I'm like 99% sure that newb scum are worried about being accused of and is really inquisitive town. So EVEN if Mario is saying his dayvig comment in 39 is a joke (which dosen't exactly seem like a joke to me?), it's still weird.
Also, this seems to be assuming that 2mil is town? I understand you said they're lynchbait as town, but that doesn't mean they can't be mafia here and it seems you've made a number of assumptions where 2mil is town without really explaining a townread on them.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying he was role fishing you, as you claimed mason early on.
How did I not explain my townread? I already told you it's meta and the fact that he had brutal role fishing. Read the game, man. lol
"The claim is real" other things are the role fishing.
Uh, how can you bring up the fact that I townread him for role fishing and still say you didn't see where I townread him? I don't get it. Explain what you were thinking here when you asked me for this right before citing that you disagreed with my reasoning.-
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Explain this. I've made it pretty clear. If town says "I'm lynchbait", or scum do, they accept the fact that that's almost universally scumread. Mario did it in a more subtle way that has the intended effect "welcome to Mario games" but isn't saying it outright.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
I disagree with you here, in my opinion he did say this happens pretty openly, I think you're explaining things that aren't there in the second half of this. Things that don't really make sense.Mulch wrote: Honestly 83 from Mario is pretty horrible too. He basically is subtly saying "when I'm town I am lynchbait." The thing is, town are much more likely in my experience to just say it openly, yeah I get lynched a lot as town. Even then, they get accused, which is why scum sorta want to try and avoid it. But Mario's comment there has the EFFECT of saying he is lynchbait without the acceptance of the consequences of scummyness he would get if he said it openly. So yeah, a pretty generally scummy thing there.
I don't think anything related to that post made by him was scummy and your reasoning feels manufactured.-
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Creature is obvious town already through meta, which Mario would know too. You'll learn this. I don't even have that much experience playing with him, just have seen him in games here and on MU, and he just feels off. I mean... it's also not too early. Their own post just nakedly saying "why" to a wagon is scummy in itself no matter what he is, newb or not.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
Why can you easily see a Creature townread? I think it is too early to judge him either way.Mulch wrote: He also starts out with 2 townreads which one of them I can easily see (creature), who already is getting involved and seems towny at least by gut, but then ignition. Ignition for me maybe I'm having a different reflection cause I've played with him on mafia universe, had an uncharacteristically weak opening by just asking "why is Mario being wagoned?". Not only is this weird for him (which I can't fault Mario for) but it's a super super super typical newb scum opening, so from mario PoV I cannot for the life of me how he sees this as town or newbtown even. Like, if your scum and a town is being wagoned just asking why he's being wagoned is a way for you to get "towncred" without taking heat. Mario's an experienced player, he should pick up on this.
Again, I don't think he is particularly involved so far.
You bring up past experience playing with Ignition but they functionally have one post - it's definitely too early to have any sort of read there.
I'm confused, you say you've played with them but then call them newb scum. Are you overselling your experience with them? You also say their opening is uncharacteristic... just how much experience do they have?
I don't think it's reasonable to expect other people to pick up on your viewpoint when you don't explain it and in my opinion the reasoning is dubious at best.
What do you mean about expecting to pick up on my viewpoint? The fact that he townread that dude is off as fuck, even you can't think this lol-
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It dosen't effect my read on Ignition, except to make me think Mario and him aren't SvS. IDK why you think it's too early to have a gut scum read on that weird first post by him.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
Again, I think it's too early for either of you to have a read on ignition. I do think it is weird that MarioManiac4 says there are scummier things in the thread - that shouldn't affect your read on ignition, and what are the scummier things in the thread? How confident can you be this early?Mulch wrote: Let's go through 90. I want to know why he townreads Ignition who was actually the second scummiest imo in the thread so far to Mario. He says towhyhe is town, says 2 things: 1) He's being inquisitive, which is a surface level reasoning that COULD come from town!Mario but again I'm outlining in the stuff before why it's sort of weird for him to say that, and then 2) "less likely to be scum than most other things in the thread"
Now, at this point I'm wondering, what exactly are the things "other" in the thread that are so scummy that they make ignition look towny on comparison?
Mario then uses circular logic, which again isn't neccecarily scummy but just something weird, where he basically goes on a loop of saying that other things were scummy BEACUSE ignition's post is towny...as some way of expaining that ignition's post is towny in the first place. See the problem here?
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He's super confident for early game. He's scumread me only out of everyone, said "lol mulch is actually scum this game", and has voted me for the entirety of the period. It's a huge difference from even me who has a scumlean on him but woulden't think to be that confident in saying it.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
I don't believe the post you quoted shows him being super confident you are scum. It feels you are attributing things that aren't there. If you haven't picked up on it yet, I'm starting to suspect that you are scum due to the amount of things you say that seem untrue. You go on to explain how confident he is that you are scum but he never actually said that, and once again we are in the early stages of the game.Mulch wrote: Another thing: He is super confident I'm scum this game, (92) based on 88 by him. Now, I am actually townreading the fact he picked up on it, because imo saying you mindmeld or anti mindmeld is something town and scum do, but it's definitely not something ONLY scum do. And I'll be a little LAMIST here and say that it IS something town do because I'm town That's why the level of confidence he's expressing in his scumread of me is weird. He's super sure, and he's voting me, based on one post that I actually think makes sense? If I disagree with his first gut reactions, less likely we are on the same team. To put it simply.
It actually is an uneasy level of confidence for this early game. I mean, he's not even focused on anyone else.
I haven't said anything untrue. State another flat out lie and I will tunnel you for the rest of the game.-
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Cause it's a scummy post. Third time you've asked that man.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
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Why do you feel like you can read their alignment off of one post? It seems like you are posturing around this read.In post 116, Mulch wrote:Honestly probably think Ignition has a better chance of flipping scum, lol, after all that. Want to see more posts by them before I make a decision.
I wasn't exactly sure about what you meant by posturing but google said "intending to mislead others"
Uh, probably misinterpreting this so maybe you can rephrase the posturing I've done or explain what you mean by posturing-
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Why? It's a valid thing, he's even said he dosen't like scum in the past and he replaced out in the Alchemist game.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
I do not like that you are pushing this angle at all.In post 115, Mulch wrote:I think UnaBombah is slightly more likely to be scum cause Cloud has replaced out as scum before.
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I dunno I'm not really getting scummy vibes off you cause I can see where your getting your thoughts but there were like maybe one or two scummy things in that big post, mostly saying I said things that weren't true, which is false, and maybe the attitude which seems pre dispositioned to dislike me, like you already decided you didnt like me and then forced your narrative behind it.
But I guess you can see your reasoning. If you continue to vote me, though, when I've given clarifications on this stuff, you might be scum, cause I think I've been decently transparent.-
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This is a really shit point here, they were quite obviously doing a random/joking vote so he obviously wasn't choosing beteen me and Mario scum. It was random, I think? Do you actually think scum here would try and just add on to a wagon for the lolz? More importantly, even if they were, they obviously would not be able to keep the vote for long cause they can't justify it, so it dosen't even make sense for them to do it in the first place. Unless he was planning to space out for the next 14 days... there's no point to him doing it as scum.In post 117, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
I don't like that you voted MarioManiac4 here - pressure was starting to build up between him and Mulch. I'd also lean more towards Mulch being scum at this point where you posted than Mario.In post 112, UnaBombaH wrote:Woo, I am here!
...and now I must go to sleep.
I'll read the thread in ~6hours.
VOTE: MarioManiac4 because last time I followed his lead, we lost the game because I played poorly.
No wait...!
Lastly, it looks like you are trying to coat your vote as completely random but it falls onto a forming wagon. It feels like you are trying to shirk responsibility for your vote by playing it off as random.
VOTE: UnaBombaH
I'm not sure whether this is a BAD point or a scummy point but this is horrible reasoning for Una scum here.-
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Yes, meta can be analyzed day 1, yes I am townreading him for blatantly role fishing which is something scum don't do early, I don't think Mario is scummy for jumping on 2mil, it was sneaky by mario and even if it wasn't it's still scummy, I'm scumreading Ignition based on what I've got on day 1, your fucking hypocritical to saying I have confirmation bias on ignition, he's literally only focused on me scum the entire day so yes he's confident. NO I'm not confident I've said that multiple times and the fact that your trying to blatantly misrepresnt what I am saying is shit, I am saying truth, and idgaf about Cloud doing it multiple times but he's done it once and it's something to keep in midn.
You vote me and your only thing you've said is SCUMMY is "doing things that aren't real to further your read." EVERYTHING else is you saying you disagree, which isn't scummy in the slightest.
Your tone is even fucking saying you disagree and not that it's scummy. Unless you can't see how town!mulch is thinking these thoughts, I';m not scumy.
And I'm not voting you because I think your scum, I could give one fat rat's ass at this point, I'm doing it because I refuse to be treated this way when I'm actually putting effort into a fucking town game and your already starting some confirmation bias tunnel on me and I Even FUCKING humored you with a detailed eplanatuion into every single one of your points.-
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Tell me creature what's the point in putting in effort?
Is there an advantage?
Is there an advantage trying to explain every single thought process I possibly can on Mario when I'm scumread for not explaining things before, and still be called out for "stretching reason"?
What is the point?
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Fine.In post 78, IgnitionUSMC wrote:Why are people pushing Mario?
THIS POST IS ABSOLUTE SHIT
VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: Ignition-
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Mulch Gotta Go Fast
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Mulch Gotta Go Fast
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Mulch Gotta Go Fast
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Mulch Gotta Go Fast
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Mulch Gotta Go Fast
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