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lol that Mini 1925.

Lol, that was my first game on that account too. -.- I replaced in at a hilarious time.

But yeah, I had been playing on Flavor Leaf to get my town groove back and prove I could get along with RC. I have three complete games on that account, all town, all VT, and besides that one I replaced into that was already nearing lynch, I feel my town games back stronger than ever.

@Mulch - I bet my town reads from that game I had 22 posts in make a lot more sense now, haha. Nobody reads Fishy better than I do!

This all being said, I'm still a late game player. -.-

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Was I not supposed to reveal that as an alt? O.O

Nah, you're good. I wanted to get back to one account.

My Theta read hopefully makes a lot more sense now as well.

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on another note
my first game with this alt was with boonskiies

and that game
was
well
it started my running spree of getting mislynched as town

but at any rate i disagree with the policy lynch nero is proposing

p-edit
yeah
you know i am lynchbait as town
and you also probably know my scum game the best of anyone since you modded that one

I was also in that newbie game with you that went on for way too long.

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Oh, that was the first game probably, haha.

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The players above the line I'm confident in my ability to eventually read them, and see which stuff about them is NAI, bar Nero who I don't believe I've ever read correctly. -.-
This also being said, I have a history of being pocketed by GR/Vedith slot. I hardcore defended him in a recent scum game of his. Bondage, the post restriction game, I believe it was.

Eddie Cane
Game Replacement
UnaBombaH
Theta Alpine
Nero Cain
Dunkerdoodles
TwoInAMillion
Creature
massive
davesaz
osuka
Assemblerotws
wavemode
MarioManiac4
Mulch
Flairs

______

Excession
Yumeko
Mary Soatome
Zoki77


as for these people, Mary's coming off as scummy to me.

Dunker's seemingly got a lot more confident after a recent scum game of ours, and I think it gave him some fire in his town game.

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All this being said, it's page 24 in a large game. My reads aren't strong besides Theta.

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If I had to say who on my wagon was town, I would say Theta first and foremost. If the masons are actually masons, it'll be obvious or not later. So I'm going to treat them as masons.

Which leaves Mary, Una, and Dunkers, and that's likely where I'll end up today.

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I explained my thoughts on Dunker, and I don't think it's really ever good to go Dunker Day 1. Una, Mulch says is obv town, and I don't have any reason to think Mulch isn't town this game so far.

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Nah dunkerdoodles is town and so is una

Yeah, I was getting there, haha.

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Dunker's seemingly got a lot more confident after a recent scum game of ours, and I think it gave him some fire in his town game.

This was meant to have me state that I think Dunker is showing some of this fire here as well. We were scum buddies not too long ago.

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Isn't "haha" your scumtell? Or is it not

No, I say haha in general. Flairs in that game brought up me going "lel" and "lol" a lot in conjunction with the haha's. I still don't know if it was an actual scum tell or not on my part. But it was something I had never thought about before that game.

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boom r u scum?

Might as well have stayed on Flavor Leaf if that were the case. But I was sick of bouncing between accounts.

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VOTE: Mary

Yeah, sure. Town read Theta, if Mary was scum, I could happily town read Nero, and it gets us closer to late game.

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What's wrong with Theta? And what's right with Creature?

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Why are you not town reading me now, Boon?

Eh, that's kind of the problem. I am leaning town on you already, but then that goes back to the...I can't read you. Do you disagree with the sentiment that I generally can't read you correctly?

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intent to join mary wagon

Why intent? Just do it

I like this.

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i town read everyone until they give me reasons not to. Sometimes I just lock it in harder, though. I don't play that null first. There are more townies than scum in games, so if you town read everyone initially, you generally have a high percentage of correct reads.

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Yeah I don't like it either, it sounds good but is that really towns first reaction?

I give a similar reaction when I'm town. Although, I mimic that what I'm scum. It's not enough for me to unvote Mary, or I would have done it.

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Do you disagree with the sentiment that I generally can't read you correctly?

tbf you did read me how I wanted you to in 203. :/

Why are you town leaning me?

That game doesn't exist to me, lol. I had a very 420 friendly couple of weeks and legit thought I was a SK. Nonetheless, I did think you were town there despite that. To me, that mason thing you and mulch were doing, then mulch becoming paranoid of you early on in the game, lent me towards more town nero for now. I believe I explained it when I was still Flavor Leaf as well, with your awareness of the wagon on me being early game pressure, and the activity level wasn't a good case for anything but that.

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It pings when people basically ask to join the wagon I din't know why he just doesn't outright vote me what's the need for intent I'm not at L-1.

I'm gonna look at my wagon next vote count given it's clear scum on it

I tend to agree with this mind set as well. But I also use it as a reason to mislynch people when I'm scum, so, who knows.

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As long nobody claims prematurely, we should be fine.

For now the setup is balanced. Everytime a town PR claims, it slightly becomes more scumsided.

was this just a random statement or was it a response to something else?

probably random statement, but I agree with that sentiment as well.

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nero
mulch
theta
boon

can we agree these are all town?

yeah, sure. Add yourself there if you want, birdy.

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Unvote

Flairs was also Cop in an open setup with only 2 town Pr's.

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I don't generally peg Flairs as the confident type. Keyenpeydee claimed scum, and Flairs hesitated on the hammer as town. Lack of having confidence, especially at this time during the game, isn't a scum tell from Flairs.

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I'm actually okay with making a temporary town block, though Nero. Day 1 lynches should never be on people that if you let them live a little while longer, they could town it up or scum it up.

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@Flairs - If you look on Flavor, I explained that i was likely to go on dunker, una, or mary, and I explained why not Dunker or Una.

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yeah, flairs is town.

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Dunker's seemingly got a lot more confident after a recent scum game of ours, and I think it gave him some fire in his town game.

This was meant to have me state that I think Dunker is showing some of this fire here as well. We were scum buddies not too long ago.

@Flairs.

Also, I accept that this town block we've all been creating isn't going to be correct. It's just day 1 in a large, so we're just going to have to trudge along.

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Thing is, if we all actually followed Mulch like he wants us to, he'll likely get cold feet. haha.

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Not gonna lie, I haven't read a single one of Excession's posts.

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He scum read Dunker and Mary and the guy that starts with the Y, with a town read on Una, and followed Una. I think Ex should post more, though. He hasn't posted enough where I'd want to lynch him yet.

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See, I'm seeing Mary as mislynch bait this game now, and Dunker is always mislynch bait, and he has that will of fire going for him right now, so I don't care too much to lynch either of them right now.

I'm going to make a list of the people I don't care if are lynched or not. Doesn't mean I scum read them.

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Aight. Here's the list of people I wouldn't care if we lynched today. Everyone else in this game has some sort of reason to be left alive to deduce later after more information has come into the game.

TwoInAMillion
davesaz
osuka
Excession
Yumeko Jabami
Zoki77

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I'm actually okay with making a temporary town block, though Nero.

What does this mean?

also your list blows. Why do you think Mary is now lynchbait?

wasn't a scum read list.

I'm not the only one who talked about Mary being lynch bait. If you go back, you can see my trajectory; I started to like some of her posts. And then everyone was hopping on board with it.

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I feel everyone here has some reason to keep the rest of the people alive, if only to read them better. We're a group of players that know each other, and because of that, it's easier to read each other.

My list are people who if town, aren't necessarily better to keep around, and if scum, they're not going to give us enough AI info to allow it to happen.

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like, of your list

Yumeko Jabami and Zoki77 seem like the only decent lynches. And Zoki is pretty much dead null. Like I'd lynch him over a no lynch at this point but I'd rather wait and hear his words.

all of

Eddie Cane
Game Replacement
UnaBombaH
Dunkerdoodles
Assemblerotws
wavemode

are pretty null to me, though of those wave seems like the scummiest.

I want

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Sure, you're right. Like I said, my list wasn't a scum reads list. I personally don't see Una as townie like you guys do.

All the players you just listed, can be figured out if they are town or scum pretty easily just by waiting and getting more information. All of them, if town, can help be transparent enough or gamesolve enough that they aren't worth lynching today.

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reasonable doubt is all I need day 1. Day 1 reads are generally incredibly inaccurate. And if they aren't, scum will generally abuse that. I think I started scum reading Osuka and that's what threw me off of Mary. Trying not to put too much thought into the early game. I'm better when I replace in late or don't play much early. Unless I can pull off a Third Degree Boon.

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I'm bringing back my quick hammer without intent meta, though. I won a lot more town games that way.

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Can we compromise on game replacement?

I won't lynch Vedith day 1, sorry. Same with massive.

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Can we compromise on game replacement?

I won't lynch Vedith day 1, sorry. Same with massive.

this is a general thing for any of the games I play.

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I'm bringing back my quick hammer without intent meta, though. I won a lot more town games that way.

I used to come off as incredibly transparent town all the time, but once my scum game started being well known, I couldn't do crap as town because people always thought I was messing with them. So I have to lose a few scum games, and be totally transparently town now for a full reset.

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Boon is scum with Mary btw.

yeah, probably.

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can we get a boon wagon going here

VOTE: boonskiies

yeah, I'm an enabler of some sort, so feel free to do that. I probably enable both town and scum.

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we likely have a bunch of protective roles. I'm a bulletproof enabler.

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yeah, I'm an enabler of some sort, so feel free to do that. I probably enable both town and scum.

what was the point of soft claiming here?

wasn't really a soft claim.

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I'm not afraid of claiming/dying at night, so.

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We are putting this game into fucking mulch hands now. We lynch Excession

sure.

VOTE: Excession

One of osuka/nero are likely scum, though.

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funny how Osuka voted me after I stated I probably started scum reading her.

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but what was the point in claiming?

I wanted to claim.

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got a problem with that?

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or I could be a serial killer.

lynch me to find out.

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idk who he's referring to by the OMGUS talk. Osuka?

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got a problem with that?

I DO! Claiming with two votes seems

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y. Like, I'm not seeing why you would feel it was important to claim.

I didn't see it as important to claim. I just wanted to.

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actually, I could lynch Nero. I can't read him, so he isn't someone that would hurt to get out of the way now.

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One of osuka/

nero

are likely scum, though.

just stating the facts. I OMGUS. what of it?

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now, don't you guys wish I was still inactive? You brought me into the game with that wagon based on my activity.

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I didn't see it as important to claim. I just wanted to.

or you are scum that wanted to claim pr b/c town are usally pretty hesitant to lynch prs, especially on d1.

yeah, but I claimed bulletproof enabler.

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To quote mary...

if you think I'm scum, then vote me.

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Why did u say we could lynch you if you were a power role boon? As flavor

I'll say it as Boon. You can lynch me. My role activates on death.

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we could even have a bp SK, so killing me would get rid of that potentialness. I kind of wanted everyone to know there's likely a lot of no kill situations in this game.

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What do you mean it activates on death

enabler.

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What do you mean it activates on death

when I die, everyone with bulletproof modifier will lose their bulletproof.

It's not even a variant role. It's white.

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@Mulch

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Enabler

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if there are mafia bp/sk bp then they won't shoot you if you are really a town bp enabler. But I could also kinda see you claim that as scum to explain away why you are still alive.

I mean, yeah. Seems like me. Or I could actually be like a town cop. Also seems like me.

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Someone once told said..."Gambit Boon is town boon."

Not quite sure who that was...

do you know?

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wtf is an enabler

on an enabler's death, all roles of a certain type become useless. Bulletproof enabler on death would make all bullet proofs useless.

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but you'd fake gambit as scum now wouldn't you?

Sure. Generally my scum games are incredibly well thought out.

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that's fun

boon's not scum

thank you, Dunker. I shall give you a strong town read. Why? because I can, and you are town.

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I think it would be hilarious if Nero was a Mafia BP, and then he gets stuck in a position where he can't kill me.

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nero isn't scum either

yeah, probably not. I might learn how to read him this game. Him and I tend to not be on the same page when he's town. I get warlocked by him when he's scum.

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Dunker, Flairs, and Theta will now be known as Boon's Babes, and they are not to be lynched ever.

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I mean you

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could

see you do that as scum to try and throw me off.

I'm generally incredibly safe and well thought out with my scum games. And then I make it appear like I'm not sometimes. Sure, I could try to throw you off like that in a large game as scum.

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Mulch is also town. Let me go point out the rest of my town reads.

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I actually don't have really any other strong town reads, just people I don't want to lynch today. Mary might be a town read.


Ignition fresh out da kitchen can potentially be town, but I'll need to have some more time with that.

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Mulch is also town. Let me go point out the rest of my town reads.

How do u know?

Because you seem townie, and if you're scum, I don't feel like dealing with it until later when hopefully I'm just dead.

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I've also been able to recognize when you'll self destruct and when you won't as town. This game, if people started pushing you, you'd self destruct and end up getting lynched, despite if you were on the right track. We can wagon you to see if you want, but to me it's not necessary. Let's just skip the self destruct mulch phase this game.

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i fooled him as scum before so i believe he is being wary that i'm not scum again

for the first few days yea. Why is it important to you that you let the others know you fooled me?

ego. And Dunker's got that fire now.

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oh damn, GR is ignition fresh out da kitchen. Yeah, I don't want him lynched today.

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that being said do you townread me rn?

I null read you. Why do you think I should town read you?

He's part of the Boon Babe Triumvirate.

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that being said do you townread me rn?

I null read you. Why do you think I should town read you?

He's part of the Boon Babe Triumvirate.

should anyone trust your reads after 203?

yep. Proved that with Flavor Leaf. I also thought I was SK there, and I was playing a damn good SK game. Once I realized the fuck up, I was the only one to get scum that game too.

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I'm not going to focus on scum reads here, guys. I'm just going to POE off my town reads.

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Treat Mulch as if he were a double voter unless he's on massive/GR, or one of my babes.

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Well its not like Moz was very townie and there were a shit ton of ppl scumreading him so...

Moz lived. I got Nosf.

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But yeah, I've been in a lot of games since then. My town games have been pretty fire since then.

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that being said do you townread me rn?

I null read you. Why do you think I should town read you?

He's part of the Boon Babe Triumvirate.

should anyone trust your reads after 203?

yep. Proved that with Flavor Leaf. I also thought I was SK there, and I was playing a damn good SK game. Once I realized the fuck up, I was the only one to get scum that game too.

how do you "think" you're a SK when ur town?

mix of fantasizing, fetishizing, and a lot of marijuana.

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I got Nosf.

same thing applies.

oskua there is a .000000000000001% chance there is a jester in this game.

nah, nobody would believe my Nosf scum read there. I was tunneling it pretty hard.

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it can be a variant role.

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nah, nobody would believe my Nosf scum read there. I was tunneling it pretty hard.

tbf, I believed you but I was kinda scum that game.

fair enough. That was also my worst game on site. Considering the funny moment I got out of forgetting my role, that's not too bad.

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Boon how would you react if you were scum that was being scum read?

probably the same as I am here. I like being scum read as scum.

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why would you believe boon

why wouldn't he?

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I mean, I was Mulch's 7th strongest town read.

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Osuka's likely scum, but don't worry, we can just investigate him tonight.

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i believe his claim

wouldn't it be null given that enablers can be both alignments?

Yep they can be both alignments. Wiki says usually are town. Great scum fake claim by me, if I'm scum, isn't it?

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Uh

Why would scum not want to shoot a BP enabler

Scum is the rootin' tootin' shootin-est role in the game. BP hurts them the most

yeah, and it can screw over a BP SK.

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Great scum fake claim by me, if I'm scum, isn't it?

agreed. Why are you not paranoid that Dunker is not paranoid of your claim?

Because he's town.

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Great scum fake claim by me, if I'm scum, isn't it?

agreed. Why are you not paranoid that Dunker is not paranoid of your claim?

Because he's town.

He's a Boon Babe.

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@Boon, why did you not start scumreading me when I first started pushing on you as flavorleaf?

Why did you only "gambit" once I started to call you scum and not as soon as you replaced in?

I've explained twice or thrice already.

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Mulch is probably town, but he's probably worth an investigation, though, because I think his town and scum game are basically indistinguishable.

I'm lean town on you, because I don't see the wagon on me as scummy since I hadn't really posted, and now your early game pressure comment along with realizing you were doing it for that reason, is pretty solid. I will admit; I'm generally pretty good at getting town reads.

I just finished a few games where that was the case and I successfully poe'd two of the games out. Then I died the next night. Mulch, I believe you saw these? I won one of them, lost the other. I was VT equivalent in both.

I also posted this in another post that I don't feel like finding in my ISO right now.

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Also, I haven't gambit'ed to your knowledge yet. I'm just a poor enabler. Or am I a Town COP!!!! MOO HA HA!!!

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I'm lean town on you, because I don't see the wagon on me as scummy since I hadn't really posted

Doesn't that contradict your later posts about scum being on your wagon?

I've stated that I don't necessarily agree with the Una town read. Also, I have stated I don't really have strong scum reads. Also, I stated that I was "probably gonna go there" today, not claiming that the people I said were scum necessarily

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And nothing wrong with changing my mind after I got more into the game.

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boon, entertain me for a second here. Why is it that i'm so scummy in your eyes?

not that your so scummy, just likely scum.

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powerlynch gogogo
VOTE: osuka

sure.

VOTE: Osuka

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Osuka's likely scum, but don't worry, we can just investigate him tonight.

please do

i look forward to being confscum

lol

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not that your so scummy, just likely scum.

ok but reasons?

because he essentially just claimed scum. ^.^

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me not town reading someone day 1 when I have a decent amount of town reads is a good enough reason for me. What say you?

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even ignoring the fact that you are somewhat likely to be scum, I wouldn't follow your reads at all.

The Boon Babes are all town. No touchy them.

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I won't. I just want you dead.

Like I said, I'm cool with that.

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I see why likely scum would want me dead too.

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Yumeko can be a Boon Babe if they want.

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town because he's towny.

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@Flairs- It is, but only because it's Day 1.

My Boon Babes, Dunker, Theta, Flairs, are never to be touched this game.

Massive I'd rather wait a few days then lynch him today, but I'm not town reading him.

I do actually think Mulch is town. Investigating him wouldn't be a bad idea, though.


Osuka/Nero are scummy, but I don't know if they're scum.

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@massive - I'm the one that's been talking people off of lynching you for the day...-.-

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the extension wagon is pretty bad me thinks. Boon, Mary or Yame is where we should be voting for the day.

So Nero says the excession wagon is bad then goes to say they should be voting for people who aren't even on that wagon.

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@Flairs- It is, but only because it's Day 1.

My Boon Babes, Dunker, Theta, Flairs, are never to be touched this game.

Massive I'd rather wait a few days then lynch him today, but I'm not town reading him.

I do actually think Mulch is town. Investigating him wouldn't be a bad idea, though.


Osuka/Nero are scummy, but I don't know if they're scum.

And I said the not town reading you because you hadn't really posted all that much, and I explained how you work, and that you should never be a day 1 lynch. I'm not scum reading you either by any means, I just know to sort you out later in the game for a more accurate read.

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@massive - I know it's a lot, but please read the game and don't just assume and make up reads. I have clearly stated how I am on your slot, and you immediately assumed otherwise. What game do I play with you where I don't say something like this?

Treat Mulch as if he were a double voter unless he's on massive/GR, or one of my babes.

Can we compromise on game replacement?

I won't lynch Vedith day 1, sorry. Same with massive.

How about we all pick up town reads on people or give reason not to vote.

@Mulch - look at massive's other games; I don't think he ever looks town day 1. He's someone who excels late mid game/late game.

On the opinion of massive, from what I see/know about him, he should never be an early game lynch. He posts not too often, but he does post and gives thoughts when he has them. I generally like to hold off from lynching mislynch bait players/less active by meta players until more info and more of their agenda comes through.

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though at the same time my top 3 scum reads

NOT

hoping on the excession wagon could maybe be telling idk.

Still, your content continues to be ass.

cool, that's a town tell for me.

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I'm basically just researching myself for the past few games, along with my Flavor Leaf account.

Generally, I win more town games when I don't give a fuck and I'm trolly early game, and then mid-late game I can become transparent town. when I'm scum, my play comes off generally as much more scum mastermindy.

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and then by seeing everyone's reactions to how I'm playing, and then by seeing what their alignment will be will help my reads out in the future. I'm noting down statistics of the people who states I'm obv town, or my content is crap, and all that stuff. All to better my town and scum game.

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ok? Why can't I think a wagon is bad? TBF, I

am

scumreading wave but I can still think a wagon is bad with or without scum being on it.

but thanks for playing.

i never said you couldn't? why did you assume that? All I did was state a fact.

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You guys can lynch me today, though. There's a good chance I lied, and I'm actually Vengeful, and I'll venge kill Nero. Two birds with one stone. But there's always the chance I'm the cop.

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or I could just be my Bulletproof Enabler claim.

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or I could be in a neighborhood with someone, and they're actually the BP Enabler, and I just claimed it for them to soak up a NK for them.

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i never said you couldn't? why did you assume that? All I did was state a fact.

yeah that's bullshit. What was you town motivation in "pointing out this fact."

What was the scum motivation? I'm having a fuck around game.

[Boonskiies]

Sooner I die, sooner my fuck around transparent town early game comes back. I've already shown my late game town capabilities recently with Flavor, so now step 2 is becoming transparently town early game. If I get lynched early in the process because of it, that's okay with me too. I'm pseudo trying to become mislynch bait again, because it really sucks for my town game and scum game when I'm not.

[Boonskiies]

i never said you couldn't? why did you assume that? All I did was state a fact.

yeah that's bullshit. What was you town motivation in "pointing out this fact."

what was my scum motivation of pointing it out? What is my scum motivation for doing anything I've been doing today?

[Boonskiies]

it looked to me like your intention was to throw some shade about how I was calling a wagon bad but my top 3 scumreads weren't on it. The "i was just pointing out a fact" is such bullshit.

Nah, no shade. Just an observation. It was just funny to me. If anything it makes you more townie to me. Out of you and Osuka, I'd go osuka 10 out of 10 times.

[Boonskiies]

nice

ate

there

thanks. I AtE all the time. My problem has been with my scum game, I was so good at mimicking my town ATE/Self meta and just my genuine town game, that my scum meta became my town meta, so I'm actively breaking it now.

[Boonskiies]

What is my scum motivation for doing anything I've been doing today?

I've already said this. this "defence" of pretending things haven't happened is scummy.

I'm not worried about being scummy. It really doesn't matter to me one bit. I'm just going to town hunt this game, and people can choose to read me however they want. When I die, take my reads into consideration, as I've been pretty fire lately. Admittedly, my scum game is smooth and blends in so well, as Dunker/Flairs stated, that I understand for some people to accept me as town, is having me flip. I'm doing this game with a straight up searching for town, and then going to eventually poe, as long as I live.

[Boonskiies]

If anything it makes you more townie to me

Stop trying to placate me but then you know you are scum and couldn't win any 1v1.

Lol...? This only comes from a place of not knowing ScumBoon.

Just to everyone out there who does know me as scum, do I generally ever lose my 1v1's? Hell, do I ever lose my town 1v1's? If I had done multiple 1v1's already in said game, sure, but I don't understand you stating I can't win a 1v1, when I feel that's actually one of the strongest parts about my game, haha.

[Boonskiies]

I personally think I'm one of the best players on site when regarding to strictly 1v1's, even if in hindsight or during I come across as scummy as hell.

[Boonskiies]

Although, even when I am scum, I don't mind when I come off as scummy. It legit doesn't matter, and in some cases, being seen as scummy is better than being universally town read.

[Boonskiies]

Relax boon

Oh, is that not seeming super relaxed? I'm just super energetic right now, haha. Had some caffeine.

[Boonskiies]

I actually am really good at countering those types of players. I mean, I'm very capable of not having bad content, and I'm overly manipulative when I need to be, regardless of alignment. There's a reason I had a 2+ year scum streak along with a 2+ year of not being lynched.

[Boonskiies]

And I'm not 1v1ing or pushing you, so not sure why you are bringing that up. I wouldn't lose the 1v1 unless I was okay with dying, which I am this game, as already stated.

[Boonskiies]

also town hunting is all kinds of ass

Nah, it's better than scum hunting for me. I've shown that with my past few games on Flavor.

[Boonskiies]

Unless you would rather me tunnel scum reads? That cool with you? Do you want to see some Boon Tunnels?

[Boonskiies]

sure why not.

vote osuka

[Boonskiies]

guys, vote osuka, he's scum.

[Boonskiies]

so mulch is actually going with the mason claim? That's unexpected

why is this unexpected? It's super early game, so it's either legit and a joke, this is scummy.

[Boonskiies]

@mario, we've gone through some. Entertain me for a second here

when i was scum and you were town, you acted different and you were a hard mislynch. That game, you got all your reads ass backwards and ended up flipping cop after a role swap with rc
you and i clicked as players however because of shitposting and stuff so why is it that mulch thinks you're either scum or pr, and I don't think you're giving the same vibes as you were that game at all?

you're null to me right now so i'm asking you to convince me that you're town. can you please make a case for yourself, for me?


pedit: stop playing the victim already please

why is any of this relevant? This seems like a way to instantly discredit Mario from this game. It is the very beginning of the game, how could he possibly have made a case that could show himself as town? Both alignments easily could do the same thing.

[Boonskiies]

can we lynch you if he flips town?

you could lynch me today, if you want. Are you reading the game at all? I've stated this like 5 times that I don't care if I die this game, haha.

[Boonskiies]

@una: i think i'm ready to trust you though you're probs not ready to trust me given that i haven't put any content into this game yet. work with me here

what do you think of the mario vs mulch situation


pedit: I'm not role fishing i'm just pointing out that i find it weird that you claimed mason in the third page
i also find it weird that you guys have no daytalk

So you are ready to trust someone 300 posts into the game. This seems like trying to gain rapport on a townie, and looking for approval in the Mario/Mulch situation that was going on.

[Boonskiies]

Guys get over your differences and become my sheeple, people!

vote Excession for free towncred today!

I don't have differences with him, and he just thinks I'm scum. Don't think there's anything wrong with any of it.

[Boonskiies]

I'm in a pretty good mood, too, so I'm going to comment on everything Osuka.

[Boonskiies]

i don't think mario is scummy. He's probably as close to true null as you can get without not posting, to be completely honest

True null, yet you were telling him to make a town case earlier in the game. K.

[Boonskiies]

flavor, read 344

una is obvtown. I think it's also kinda funny that you read theta as town because something about her is off-putting

More buddying up to Una.

What is off putting about Theta at this point in the game? Theta came off to me as incredibly town; it's why she's a Boon babe.

[Boonskiies]

I am tempted to wagon the wallposter

@wallposter: una is obvtown because meta

Osuka's pocketing Una, and generally just sheeping in general.

[Boonskiies]

@wallposter: una is obvtown because meta

Talk to me on this? Can you give a bit more detail without the whole meta

No I can't

You're asking for an explanation of a meta read without the meta. That's textbook stupid, like room temperature iq levels of stupid

This is incorrect. Meta is explainable. You can't just "meta" and expect people to believe you. You can explain what said person is doing to explain what part of her meta makes Una obvtown.

For instance, Mulch has a tendency to post a lot, and tunnel hard, and change votes often as town. He eventually ends up getting in 1v1's and self destructs as town and gets cold feet when people sheep him on his votes even though he asked about it. That is typical townMulch, that is his town meta. If this stuff happens, then I would use Mulch's meta states that he is town here.

Understandably, I know that's not what was asked here. Your read on him is based on meta. So explain what about Una's meta is/was obv town to you at this point. And this basically states that meta is the only reason you town read Una, or you could have expanded from there as well.

[Boonskiies]

just kidding i have neither a comment to make nor the willpower to count votes

VOTE: yumeko jabami

Wasn't this the wall poster? What happened from one of those earlier posts to this post?

[Boonskiies]

intent to join mary wagon

intent to join mary wagon

Why intent? Just do it

I like this.

I don't
VOTE: Mary Saotome

okay
VOTE: mary saotome

It's been said, but there really wasn't a reason to intent there. I generally find that as scum attempting to find the approval and look like they aren't just aimlessly sheeping a wagon. It's one of the things that initially had me getting cold feet on Mary. It was nowhere near lynch, why did your intent matter? Just vote.

[Boonskiies]

una is obvtown

if there is a townbloc he should be in it

continuing with the pocketing potential, I see.

wait fuck

VOTE: Excession

Ever further sheeping.

can we get a boon wagon going here

VOTE: boonskiies

This happened after Nero and I were pseudo getting into, where Nero was showing his trajectory.

[Boonskiies]

Osuka's likely scum, but don't worry, we can just investigate him tonight.

please do

i look forward to being confscum

This is still hilarious to me. Good enough reason to lynch Osuka today in its own right.

[Boonskiies]

shameless fourth or fifth post

i'm also probably going to sleep, please don't lynch me before i come back
thanks

VOTE: osuka

UNVOTE:
i'm going to sleep now
actually though don't

what was the point of any of this? You had no actual worry about being lynched, why did you feel enough pressure to feel this? Also, what made you stop voting me? If you actually thought I was scum, you just stopped voting me for no reason in favor of having no vote.

[Boonskiies]

uh yeah i'm getting tired of this

VOTE: mariomaniac4

So you drop the vote on me to vote yourself then unvote without ever mentioning the read on me again, only to vote another loud, potentially aggressive player because you are "getting tired of this"?

[Boonskiies]

IM MORE CHARISMATIC THAT YOU!!!!



VOTE VOTE VOTE EXCESSION

There's no need to lynch someone here who's barely posted.

Although, to explain meta unlike Osuka, I'll point out why this also leans towards Mulch's town meta. In a TB mini, Day 1, Mulch did a similar tunnel vote thing to Dunker without ever stating much reason as to why. It was incorrect.

Now, meta can also be manipulated, so you always have to take it with a grain of salt if things start to not add up.


@Mulch - Let Excession live long enough so he can at least post more. We can't get any association tells off of lynching Excess at this point, and if he isn't scum, we essentially get to the same position we're in today.

[Boonskiies]

Excession is scum, I'm hardclaiming scum he's my scum buddy just lynch him ffs

Just wait a bit so you can build an actual case rather than just state he's scum. It's Day 1, there isn't really any reason people should sheep you without multiple reasons. If he's scum, you'll be able to case him if he posts more, or even catch out other potential scum by letting him post.

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UnaBombaH - while I generally don't think Una's as obv town as some people, I'm starting to lean town here due to how other people are reading here.

Theta Alpine - Boon Babe, call it meta, call it my familiarity. I half want to only state the meta thing and have Osuka try and discredit me with it even though he was doing the same thing.

Flairs - Boon Babe. Flairs aligmnet becomes fairly obvious, and the posts he's been making is classic Flairs.

Dunkerdoodles - Boon Babe. He's got that town Dunker fire.

MarioManiac4 - gut, meta, other people pushing, where he put me on his reads, and how he's generally playing is why he's town to me.

Mulch - meta, where he's pushing, general play style, where I am on his town reads, feels like a town Mulch kind of game, ive explained why earlier.

Nero Cain - I'm actually gonna think this slot is town. It makes sense to me why he's pushing at me today, and I did think his initial push while I was on Flavor was townie, for reasons I've stated.

Creature - He's being Creature. I generally think he's incredibly obvious when he's scum with a lack of presence, and he's doing his pipe in here and there thing that I see as townie. Honestly, he has no reason to try and pocket me as scum right now either, so his semi defense of me to Nero makes me feel he's town.

massive - I know I posted a bunch of reasons why I said to wait for massive to be lynched, and that I didn't necessarily town read him, but I was at least confident I would eventually if he was town. I feel he is town based on him attacking me for assuming I was calling him scum. That fits right on par with what I feel massive would do as town who didn't see my other posts about him, and only saw that.

Yumeko Jabami - wallposter, right? those walls are town.

Mary Soatome - leaning town because I feel she was the mislynch bait. I ended up liking a lot of things that were said by her after her wagon was going, and I did not like how Osuka went on her wagon.
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Game Replacement - i felt ignition fresh out da kitchen was townie, but I haven't seen GR here too much. No reason to lynch here today. give him a chance to be a presence.

Eddie Cane - hasn't had a presence this game, but that's not AI. I think he's busy in real life. No reason to lynch here today and not give him a chance.

TwoInAMillion - I personally think Two's alignment will become obvious if we keep her alive, but I really don't care either way if we lynch him. There won't be much of a presence.

davesaz - honestly, I can't remember any post by him.

Assemblerotws - i need him to post more before I go either way.

wavemode - same as above.

Zoki77 - same.

Excession - yeah, I could see the slot as scum, but I still want to wait for them to post more. That being said, I'd like them to post more today.
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osuka - scum, I've explained why.


So yeah. I have a lot of solid town reads, I feel. Want to know the best part? If there are 4 scum, I get 7 out of those 11 town reads correct. if there are 5, still 6 out of 11. Either way, I'm over 50% correct.

[Boonskiies]

How can I case someone with 2 posts???

that's my point. It's not worth it for right now.

[Boonskiies]

I am statistically proven to have a strong list there no matter what. Hilarious.

[Boonskiies]

Haha, I didn't remember who it was. I brought up that they could be a Boon Babe if they wanted to be.

Also, Osuka made a comment implying he wanted to sheep the wall poster, when the wall poster made a case and voted Una, who Osuka was saying was "obv town".

[Boonskiies]

Eddie is on a site lull.

[Boonskiies]

Eddie is on a site lull.

not as much activity as usual Eddie. not like...completely inactive. I don't believe the lurking to be AI in his case.

[Boonskiies]

Even though I got plenty of strong townreads, I'd rather not settle on a townblock rn.

I trust we can work as a whole and settle on a good lynch rather than needing someone to dictate.

this is essentially what I was trying to do. I wanted to cross off all the people that didn't need/shouldn't be lynched Day 1.

[Boonskiies]

Btw, is it safe to assume that any town will answer to pressure instead of waiting its wagon dissipate out of nowhere?

Nah. Town can lurk out to let wagons dissipate and scum can just answer to pressure.

[Boonskiies]

Yes, scum can answer to pressure. But town lurk out while there's a wagon on them?

Fair enough. Purposefully, maybe not. I'll accept that. There's nothing stopping people from saying they just weren't online, though, and then it becomes a WIFOM case.

[Boonskiies]

If you guys want to bring up that game you all were talking about, I was in the beginning of that game as well with this read of Osuka.

I was town reading Osuka pretty hard until the unvote. Seemed a little too worried about a lynch going through. It's not something I'm going to start scum reading him for, but it does make me a little less sure of the town read there.

osuka - I'm a little confused on this slot. Before I gave this game the attention I needed to (basically right now), I was leaning town on Osuka until that one post that I mentioned a page or two ago. I understand it's the beginning of the game, but I didn't like the way he targeted Martin. But I town read Martin, so I kind of like the unvote after reading through and seeing it happen after Mjolnir voted.

which is similar in a way to how I was thinking about Osuka here.

The players above the line I'm confident in my ability to eventually read them, and see which stuff about them is NAI, bar Nero who I don't believe I've ever read correctly. -.-
This also being said, I have a history of being pocketed by GR/Vedith slot. I hardcore defended him in a recent scum game of his. Bondage, the post restriction game, I believe it was.

Eddie Cane
Game Replacement
UnaBombaH
Theta Alpine
Nero Cain
Dunkerdoodles
TwoInAMillion
Creature
massive
davesaz
osuka
Assemblerotws
wavemode
MarioManiac4
Mulch
Flairs

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Excession
Yumeko
Mary Soatome
Zoki77


as for these people, Mary's coming off as scummy to me.

Dunker's seemingly got a lot more confident after a recent scum game of ours, and I think it gave him some fire in his town game.

Aight. Here's the list of people I wouldn't care if we lynched today. Everyone else in this game has some sort of reason to be left alive to deduce later after more information has come into the game.

TwoInAMillion
davesaz
osuka
Excession
Yumeko Jabami
Zoki77

Osuka moved from the above the line group, to my below the line group.

This isn't really a case I'm making on him or anything, I didn't think about it until they brought up that game. Both games I started with a lean town on Osuka/reasons not to lynch, and shortly after, I found reason to. He was scum in the other game.

[Boonskiies]

The posts I quoted from that game also line up with a voting issue is what made my read start to change, as I started changing my read on Osuka when he did the awkward "intent to join the Mary wagon" comment.

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With Yumeko becoming a town read of mine, and gerry replacing the Zoki slot (i'm more familiar with Gerry), they have given me reason for them not to be the Day 1 lynch.

[Boonskiies]

I'm generally a big skeptic of Mario, and I'm not feeling he is scum this game. I generally don't see his play as becoming obvtown either, though.

[Boonskiies]

It's Day 1. You can't expect him to be able to read people correctly.

You stating exactly how you are shows you are self aware, meaning that as scum you could easily manipulate that and makes that become moot.

He reads you backwards, but I had been right in seeing that in that newbie game something was off about your play, as I dropped that town read. A similar thing happened in this game.

[Boonskiies]

also can we talk about excession and how hard mulch is pushing that slot


pedit: it's a weak meta as ive said. you can trash it all you want but it's what I have atm

My meta on Mulch reads Mulch as town for that. The more we ignore it, the more tunneled on it he's going to get. Excession could be scum, but there's no case for it and no reason to lynch him unless we have a deadline need for a lynch.

[Boonskiies]

@Mario - keep in mind that while he states all this about you, he is voting me, and at the same time trying to get me to understand what he's stating.

[Boonskiies]

Also, you guys were in that newbie game that caused me to try out an alt account. Look what RC said in a dead thread referring to my plays going on in a game. The Flavor Leaf one, who was my secret alt, haha.

[Boonskiies]

it's on my sig. ^

[Boonskiies]

this is me

actually

pouring my heart out and making my dirty secrets public. not something you're gonna see often when playing with me

as opposed to fake pouring your heart out?

[Boonskiies]

i'm a meh guy

can we talk about mulch's obsession about the ecxeession slot now?????

I already talked about that. I did last page.

[Boonskiies]

I give the honor of ending my scum streak to Flairs. The Boon Slayer.

[Boonskiies]

this is probably a good time to mention that i forgot to mention that my first actual read of the game is town flairs

Yeah, well, he's a Boon Babe. Everyone should have Flairs as a town read. -.-

[Boonskiies]

this is also probs a good time to mention that every time you say "boon babe", my will to live punches itself in the jaw

I mean, a group of town mislynchable players being protected by completely by me. If I were scum against that my will to live would become masochistic too.

[Boonskiies]

you're missing the point. i'm not saying i'm opposed to your initiative of protecting potential mislynches

i'm just saying that the longer i look at "boon babe" on my screen, the stronger the urges to punch it are

I'd be jealous of the Boon Babes too.

[Boonskiies]

yeah,

that's

what's going on here

the bright side of you scumreading me is that you don't call me a boon babe

that's not something to be happy about.

[Boonskiies]

scum claim.

[Boonskiies]

this might be your stupidest post to date

especially since even if this convo weren't a fucking joke, a "boon babe" as I understand it is a mislynchable townie in your eyes

not claiming to be a

mislynchable

townie isn't a scum claim. maybe it's just a competence claim

Geez, someone got overdefensive. I was making a joke and scum claiming myself there. Way to assume it was about you.

[Boonskiies]

They are mislynchable players, yes. They are not Boon Babes because they are mislynchable. They are because I am strong town reading them.

[Boonskiies]

Boon's whole ISO reads like he is playing a game

Well, I suppose we are all playing a game

Let me rephrase

Boon reads like he is playing an extra game. He's playing two games

That's because I am.

[Boonskiies]

I explained what I'm doing here, haha. I'm noting down statistics on my reads, how people read me when I play a certain way (how many scum scum read/town read me, how many town scum read/town read me, and yadda yadda. Noting it all down. Also helps me gather a solid meta base for everyone. All about my research this game. Sooner I die, sooner I get to know my results.

[Boonskiies]

This being said, I will play to win, obviously, as I believe my town reads are pretty accurate. At least 6 of the 11 of them kind of have to be. HAHAHAAHAHAHA.

[Boonskiies]

Wave mode is semi scummy for voting a claimed PR, though.

[Boonskiies]

Who's claimed?

just me. bp enabler. Or I could also be a cop or a vengeful, but BP enabler was the claim.

[Boonskiies]

The fact Mulch hasn't been lynched yet suggests Scum.

I'm somewhat defending him, but his push on Excession reminds me of him in TB's mini pushing Dunker while we pushed Tchill.

[Boonskiies]

The fact Mulch hasn't been lynched yet suggests Scum.

I've been defending him a bit; his push on Excession reminds me of him in TB's mini pushing Dunker while we pushed Tchill.

[Boonskiies]

My computer didn't load so I refreshed and typed it up again...guess it went both times. -.-

[Boonskiies]

I checked him Night 1 that game as a cop. If Mulch is town, I don't want him self destructing this game, and I think my reasoning for town read him is at least worth giving him a few days to prove himself as town to others. I stated the same about you and massive despite you guys not posting much and him pushing you guys both earlier.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: Osuka

this is scum.

you're welcome

Gerry knows where it's at.

[Boonskiies]

Boons, why does my current push on you "make sense"?

Do you disagree that it makes sense?


@Una - I explained earlier how Osuka was buddying up to you specifically, so makes sense you would town read him.

[Boonskiies]

If we're saying that's not how town thinks, I have stated this exact same play style in multiple town games, so that's really a crap reason if that's the case that is being made.

[Boonskiies]

Guessing wavemode has a decent chance of flipping scum.

Yeah, his recent posts showed he was posting without reading.

[Boonskiies]

You said small number of scum reads and high town comes from scum. I tend to think the opposite. When i'm scum, I generally like to keep at least 3 or 4 lean scum reads, a bunch of null, and then a small/medium amount of town reads.