Mini 1932: Dedede Fusion Collab (FIN)

[drealmerz7]

I can understand how that'd boost your confidence in them being a good idea

but they're not

[Realeo]

Anyway, Chaiotzu was replying to posts starting where he left off, and first asked why we were strongly townreading bins. He made several posts before hitting our claim, and questioned how we knew Ceph was the intended kill last night.

Maybe that's aggressive scum trying to shake info out of us, but it's not my impression of his scum game.

Anyway, if he's scum, I feel like the only way that catchup would have happened the way it did was if the scumteam doesn't have daytalk, or if he were the first scum player to hit the thread after our claim.

I was under the impression he was replying to post in chronological order and you only explained how he knew Ceph was the intended kill because chronologically speaking, you only post it later.

[Realeo]

I can understand how that'd boost your confidence in them being a good idea

but they're not

Can you explain why not?

[morph the cat]

Anyway, Chaiotzu was replying to posts starting where he left off, and first asked why we were strongly townreading bins. He made several posts before hitting our claim, and questioned how we knew Ceph was the intended kill last night.

Maybe that's aggressive scum trying to shake info out of us, but it's not my impression of his scum game.

Anyway, if he's scum, I feel like the only way that catchup would have happened the way it did was if the scumteam doesn't have daytalk, or if he were the first scum player to hit the thread after our claim.

I was under the impression he was replying to post in chronological order and you only explained how he knew Ceph was the intended kill because chronologically speaking, you only post it later.

I agree his catch up was chronological.

Imagine yourself as scum catching up on your game. Going through chronologically, you hit the claim post he questioned. What do you do? skip ahead and try to figure out what's going on? Or post an immediate question?

And if you're scum with daytalk coming back to your game, what do you do first? Read the game thread or read your PT?

I don't think it's conclusive, but I do think it points a little in the direction of him being town.

[morph the cat]

When Cabd and I talked about it he was leaning toward NAI.

[Bins]

On another but somewhat related note, we wondered whether Chiaotzu's reaction to our claim might be a town tell. It kinda hinges on whether there is daytalk or not.

I looked at the Laundry game, and one of the scum team was an encryptor. So errantparabola may not default to daytalk in designing games. Or may default to giving mafia an encryptor.

Anyway, Chaiotzu was replying to posts starting where he left off, and first asked why we were strongly townreading bins. He made several posts before hitting our claim, and questioned how we knew Ceph was the intended kill last night.

Maybe that's aggressive scum trying to shake info out of us, but it's not my impression of his scum game.

Anyway, if he's scum, I feel like the only way that catchup would have happened the way it did was if the scumteam doesn't have daytalk, or if he were the first scum player to hit the thread after our claim.

uh I hate to dispel thing


but I really don't think this is a good reason to discredit bad feels on Chiao

I mean there are so many other reasons
scum topics don't have to be super active
scum might not have daytalk


.. also like I don't think your claim is this game changing for anyone

[Realeo]

Isn't Creature is one of the most prime example who catch up chronologically regardless of alignment? My memory is fuzzy.

[drealmerz7]

pheww it's a bit hard because it's so glaringly obviously apparant to me - it's fundamentally a bad approach to scumhunting

soooo, let's see...

because no matter your confidence in a TR, you don't *know*, and it is a great way for good scum to infiltrate and destroy

they're unsound

[Bins]

or maybe I don't get what you're trying to say


o I c


careless = town?

[Realeo]

pheww it's a bit hard because it's so glaringly obviously apparant to me - it's fundamentally a bad approach to scumhunting

soooo, let's see...

because no matter your confidence in a TR, you don't *know*, and it is a great way for good scum to infiltrate and destroy

they're unsound

But that's like saying, no matter your confidence in a SR, you don't *know* if they are scum so don't lynch them.

I agree that not all town blocks are equal, though.

[drealmerz7]

that's not at all like that...

[morph the cat]

On the gripping hand, is it a town player's first reaction to dig at a claim? He's the only player who overtly did that. I wondered if it was an ESL thing.

It doesn't really generalize, and probably depends on the player. I tend to tiptoe around PR tells and crumbs as all alignments. Claims are a little different.

[drealmerz7]

What do you do? skip ahead and try to figure out what's going on? Or post an immediate question?

you do what town!you would do, always

[Realeo]

On the gripping hand, is it a town player's first reaction to dig at a claim? He's the only player who overtly did that. I wondered if it was an ESL thing.

It doesn't really generalize, and probably depends on the player. I tend to tiptoe around PR tells and crumbs as all alignments. Claims are a little different.

In a newbie game, that is kinda a strong town tell.

In a non-newbie game, I have only seen that in action on games involving mason. I can't vouch for non-mason games.

[drealmerz7]

wait, what?

you've only seen that in games with masons?

[drealmerz7]

yo, if we have a vig

please shoot valhalla

thanks

[Realeo]

wait, what?

you've only seen that in games with masons?

Now that you challenge my memory, actually I have seen it non-masons game, and it was town!Vedith.

yo, if we have a vig

please shoot valhalla

thanks

Eh, I actually agree with this.

[Cephrir]

It might be. I don't think I've seen you roll scum?

It's a rarity. The only time I remember that town-you played with scum-me was when I was Sangres in NY 167. You were vig. bizarre game and scum conceded on day 3 or something. Not my best scum game, but not terrible.

that game doesn't count.

[drealmerz7]

anyone know if chiaotzu generally has a tendancy to be confrontational as scum, given the opportunity?

[Realeo]

Why you call it American Football when 99% of the time you keep it in your hand?

[Game Replacement]

With most of day 1 read I'll catch up soon.

[Cephrir]

. Going through chronologically, you hit the claim post he questioned. What do you do? skip ahead and try to figure out what's going on? Or post an immediate question?

I post an immediate question :p

[drealmerz7]

Why you call it American Football when 99% of the time you keep it in your hand?

???????

[morph the cat]

Links to recent Radja scum games?

I went through about 3 pages of his egosearch last night, but it's so full of micros moved to completed games that I gave up.

I did find an old scum game from 2015 or something. Not sure that's useful to meta.

[GuiltyLion]

I'll get to this in 4-5 hours