Mini Normal 1940: The Apartment [Endgame]

[Srceenplay]

Talk about your hood Eddie.
Do you two suspect each other? Town read each other?
What about what RC said. Does the timeline fit? Look suspicious or coincidencental?

[Mumble]

Is there a reason why I should be?

Is there a reason why you shouldn't be?

Everyone is guilty until proven innocent you know.

In that case...why point out Fykus, and not both Eddie and Fykus?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Is there a reason why I should be?

Is there a reason why you shouldn't be?

Everyone is guilty until proven innocent you know.

In that case...why point out Fykus, and not both Eddie and Fykus?

Simple.

No alarms have gone off for me in regards to Eddie, so I don't see a reason at this particular time to see if he's actually guilty or not.

[Mumble]

*sigh*

Do you see how we've gone full circle now? You should have just answered my question to begin with.

What alarms have gone off for you in regards to Fykus?

[Boonskiies]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

[Srceenplay]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

That's what scum know.

[Boonskiies]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

That's what scum know.

yep. I just don't know who I'm wrong about is the difference. (this isn't the first time I've posted this mind set. I generally do.)

If I town read everyone from the get go, rather than null/guilty, I have the highest possible chance at being correct from the beginning, and I'm stronger with figuring out town reads early game than I am with scum reads.

[Srceenplay]

There are seven people not voting.

Can all of you please put a vote somewhere so we can get a direction to go this day.
Maybe that will start the game flow

[Srceenplay]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

That's what scum know.

yep. I just don't know who I'm wrong about is the difference. (this isn't the first time I've posted this mind set. I generally do.)

If I town read everyone from the get go, rather than null/guilty, I have the highest possible chance at being correct from the beginning, and I'm stronger with figuring out town reads early game than I am with scum reads.

I'm the opposite. I think everyone is a liar and guilty.
Trying to figure who is honest is the hard part.

[Boonskiies]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

That's what scum know.

yep. I just don't know who I'm wrong about is the difference. (this isn't the first time I've posted this mind set. I generally do.)

If I town read everyone from the get go, rather than null/guilty, I have the highest possible chance at being correct from the beginning, and I'm stronger with figuring out town reads early game than I am with scum reads.

I'm the opposite. I think everyone is a liar and guilty.
Trying to figure who is honest is the hard part.

that's why I do it the other way around, and see everyone as telling the truth. I tend to get pocketed easily by players I know and like pretty easily, though, because I won't lynch them early game.

[skitter30]

@Fire:

Especially the bolded. Like I don't think he can fake that. And I don't think the frustration is coming from scum!Tess who thinks they shouldn't have been caught so fast and is thus getting upset that he got wagoned, since he's only played one scumgame onsite and it doesn't seem like he especially prides himself on his scumgame, from the following:

Hm, I don't think it's impossible to fake. It wasn't bad, but it didn't really bleed town to me like you're saying :/

I think your current opinion of him is still affected by something NAI (a modvote in RVS) that happened at the very beginning of the game.

I also think you're looking for people to sheep. RC yesterday, Vedith today. Why are you sheeping Vedith today? I'm gut-townreading Vedith atm, but it's quite apparent that he isn't really paying attention to the game, so why are you following him? Do you actually find Scarab scummy? If so, why?

@Mumble:

I've done enough reading and catching up now! I can't point to anything specific, I just don't like the way he comes across. Of course, I don't like you right now either. Hardclaiming vig and holstering N1 is yucky. Better use it tonight.

Eddie and Fykus are town. Idk about Boonskiies - want him to elaborate on his town read on my slot, cuz I don't see it.

Mod should also update the list of current players, but I think it is except for Scum Screen and myself?

Why aren't you considering Fykus?

Is there a reason why I should be?

You went out of your way to share your opinion on five people - scum!screen, yucky!me, town!eddie, town!Fykus, idk!Boon.

Like, you seem kinda neutral about everyone else that isn't one of us five, or at least don't have a strong opinion either way, so why does he look so town that you made a specific point about sharing the fact that you townread him? If he just didn't set off any alarmbells, what about the six people that you didn't mention? Do they not set off any alarmbells either?

@Srceen:

I ISO Tess and then Tess and Boon together. I looked to me like Boon was distancing from Tesxx until a possibility of a lynch came and then it was just lynch bait.

I have not read the entire games. I never do on replace in. I just ISO people that catch my attention.

That makes sense. The reason why I'm asking is because I wanted to know what context you had about the game for

TessX and Boon are TvS

Wrong
They are a scum team

when that was like your fourth post and they didn't have any major interactions right around when you replaced in. Like, you just seemed so certain about it and I wasn't sure what context you had at the time to make that judgement.

@Fykus:

Sheeped the wagon because the people on it were all better than me and even if some scum were on there they couldnt have all been scum so theoretically there was a good chance they were right to vote there

We know now that Mulch/RC are town, but at the time of your vote, why weren't you worried that at least one of RC/Vedith/Mulch were scum, especially since you said you can't even read RC/Mulch. Mulch even admitted that he was pocketing you . . . why weren't you worried about being pocketed by any of them?

[Boonskiies]

because like when town, in a 13 player game, 3 are scum, 9 others are town, which means 9 other people have no clue about anything, so all their posts are actually honest 100% of the game. Scum can fabricate being honest and everything, but if it's not 100%, and when their secret agenda starts to show, you can question it and they don't come off as 100% honest, even if they can somewhat make sense of it.

[skitter30]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

I think everyone is null until I have a reason to move them into either pile.

[Boonskiies]

I have the opposite mentality. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

I think everyone is null until I have a reason to move them into either pile.

I generally get stuck when I do that null reading people and having to force myself to gather reads as town. I don't like forcing reads as town. Although, a lot of times when I do my Last Night Tomorrow's (maybe I'll do one of those this game), I force reads out of myself, and sometimes forcing reads can help me see where I'm wrong, and I can change my reads.

This being said, no style is better than the other, all players have their own style.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

Do you see how we've gone full circle now? You should have just answered my question to begin with.

What alarms have gone off for you in regards to Fykus?

That was the plan because it seemed like you were not only trying to dodge the original question but also trying to make me look bad.

Quite a bit. The unwillingness to avoid taking a hard stance on anyone or anything, his voting pattern, and his shading of the Jin slot.

[Mumble]

*sigh*

Do you see how we've gone full circle now? You should have just answered my question to begin with.

What alarms have gone off for you in regards to Fykus?

That was the plan because it seemed like you were not only trying to dodge the original question but also trying to make me look bad.

Quite a bit. The unwillingness to avoid taking a hard stance on anyone or anything, his voting pattern, and his shading of the Jin slot.

Not sure why a simple question made you think I was trying to make you look bad...

Glad to see it's not because he's voting you - though, wouldn't him voting you be taking a hard stance (ofc he still needs to provide that case)? Also, not sure what you mean by voting pattern - what about it? I also don't like the Jin slot (pretty sure that's

Scum

Screen), so not bothered by that.

[Boonskiies]

@Mumble - Does my town read make sense now? It's because of how well I know Keyen. I played a game where he wasn't town, and immediately I stated something was off about his play, so I'm rather confident in my ability to read Key's early game. Call it by tone, call it by gut, but I haven't been wrong once, even though I did mislynch him in the game where the quote in my sig if from. It was a deadline lynch, though.

[Boonskiies]

Might not have been a deadline lynch, but I was actively trying to figure out explanations, but everyone seemed to scum read Key that game but me.

[Mumble]

@Mumble - Does my town read make sense now? It's because of how well I know Keyen. I played a game where he wasn't town, and immediately I stated something was off about his play, so I'm rather confident in my ability to read Key's early game. Call it by tone, call it by gut, but I haven't been wrong once, even though I did mislynch him in the game where the quote in my sig if from. It was a deadline lynch, though.

I believe it makes sense to you, and I don't think you're being disingenuous. I mean, if I was mafia, I would probably exploit it and say the same thing; but, that's where I'm at on it.

Do you still think

Scum

Screen is town?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*sigh*

Do you see how we've gone full circle now? You should have just answered my question to begin with.

What alarms have gone off for you in regards to Fykus?

That was the plan because it seemed like you were not only trying to dodge the original question but also trying to make me look bad.

Quite a bit. The unwillingness to avoid taking a hard stance on anyone or anything, his voting pattern, and his shading of the Jin slot.

Not sure why a simple question made you think I was trying to make you look bad...

Glad to see it's not because he's voting you - though, wouldn't him voting you be taking a hard stance (ofc he still needs to provide that case)? Also, not sure what you mean by voting pattern - what about it? I also don't like the Jin slot (pretty sure that's

Scum

Screen), so not bothered by that.

The way you first reacted came off as if you were trying to get others to think that you and Fykus are practically confirmed town or unanimously town read and that you shouldn't be questioned. The tone of your response was also bordering on the edge of being a bit too colorful and sassy for such a simple question. Unwarranted if you will.

A vote is a stance but not exactly a hard one without a reasonable case and a strong push to accompany it.

When I'm talking about someone's voting pattern, I'm talking about the way they vote or how and why they end voting for someone. Fykus so far has been voting without reasoning and it's coming off very opportunistic.

[Srceenplay]

Do you still think Scum Screen is town?

Your shade is getting boring.

Are you looking for someone to talk you out of it or are you looking for someone to agree with you? Then give a reason you can jump on and agree with?

[Mumble]

LUV can be town. LUV - thoughts on

Scum

Screen?

Don't really care about Screen's above, and the question wasn't directed toward him so...butt out.

[WhyMafia]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

Screenplay -> 2 (Mumble - 1196 and Eddie Cane - 1211)
Lil Uzi Vert -> 1 (Fykus - 1122)
TesXX -> 1 (Srceenplay - 1187
Skitter30 -> 0
Eddie Cane -> 0
Boonskiies -> 0
Firecrocer -> 0
Scarab -> 0
Mumble -> 0
Fykus -> 0
Vedith -> 0

Not Voting: Skitter30, Boonskiies, Firecrocer, Scarab, Lil Uzi Vert, TesXX, and Vedith

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to hammer!

Deadline in:

(expired on 2017-09-03 10:29:00)

Mod Notes:
- Lots of changes in le vote count
- Please tell me if I made any errors in this vote count
- Lil Uzi Vert is V/LA until August 24th

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[Boonskiies]

@Mumble - Does my town read make sense now? It's because of how well I know Keyen. I played a game where he wasn't town, and immediately I stated something was off about his play, so I'm rather confident in my ability to read Key's early game. Call it by tone, call it by gut, but I haven't been wrong once, even though I did mislynch him in the game where the quote in my sig if from. It was a deadline lynch, though.

I believe it makes sense to you, and I don't think you're being disingenuous. I mean, if I was mafia, I would probably exploit it and say the same thing; but, that's where I'm at on it.

Do you still think

Scum

Screen is town?

If he is, he needs to start giving better content. It makes sense to me that people are scum reading Srceen, and that Srceen is more likely town, which to me is super annoying because you can't even really analyze that kind of wagon. I think he's a good vig shot, because my read on him could be incorrect, but based on how he's playing and his pseudo arrogance, I want to say yeah. I still think he's town.

[Boonskiies]

Only thing that worries me a little bit about reading him as town is that if he was town, I feel his wagon would be better, because I town read both you and Eddie. My read on Eddie is more based on the Eddie wagon that happened yesterday out of nowhere, so I'm probably going to take a more in depth look at Fykus. Both RC/Mulch flipped town, which leaves Fykus/Vedith, so consider this my official

FoS: Both those slots