Mini Normal 1943 [Game over]

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: TChill13
Scum needs to die

[WhyMafia]

How dare you TChill for implying my scum buddy Uzi is scum. I thought we agreed to only bus you, not the other way around!

[WhyMafia]

Oh my god, you suck Zach, VOTE: Zach

[WhyMafia]

Good good

[WhyMafia]

Dammit how did you catch on???? Uzi, TChill Chainsaw for me!

[WhyMafia]

Oh my god, you suck Zach, VOTE: Zach

@Mod I'm voting Zach

[WhyMafia]

Fluffy and uzi are Town

[WhyMafia]

Wtf 16 pages. Mulch you liar

[WhyMafia]

dont think Fluffy is a worthwhile lynch Day 1. He seems like prime mis-lynch bait and despite havi bad posts, I think he's genuine

[WhyMafia]

blame rabbit he makes up four all by himself

+wm mod v, symd light v

still don't think alch is scum; i agree on the third post but don't see the first two as scummy at all

+locktownd him on tone earlier(amusingly, including #49 as one or the reasons)

What does v mean?

[WhyMafia]

Just skimmed alch, and I'm comfortable with a light town read on him

[WhyMafia]

TChill seems Town as well

[WhyMafia]

I think Torque is town as well. His case isnt bad, I just disagree with his conclusions. However, I'll let alch defend himself to see what he says. Additionally, torque seems to be transparent and making his thoughts quite clear and precise, which I like. There's probably a better way of phrasing that but idk xd

[WhyMafia]

Acid and Zach are scum

[WhyMafia]

Yeah, Zach has been moved to lean town. Still not entirely comfortable with him, but I guess it'll resolve as time passes by. Willing to go awesome/Acid. For now I'll go VOTE: Acid

[WhyMafia]

I mean it's highly likely that he just forgot that he's in this game. This is one reason why I SR you. Your persistence on Danny seems LAMIST and fake. He'll eventually either get force replaced/start producing more content. Until then, what's the point on continuing to bring him up?

[WhyMafia]

speaking of dany you're posting elsewhere get in here

This seems so LAMIST and fake ..

lso why is the portion of your scumread that you feel a need to bring up a portion that didn't exist when it started being a read

Because more content means more ways to support my read

[WhyMafia]

Or disprove the read, but then I'd see if it outweighs the scummy part of (Insert Scum Read)

[WhyMafia]

- here are some random town reads
- why are there so many pages
- iaafr(the guy being lynched at the time) is lynch-bait
-what does v mean
- "skims" alchemist ISo and arrives at.. light town? how sway
- another random townread
- makes a post where he.. actually explains a read! groundbreaking
- "acid and zach are scum" (this doesnt get explained)

What is town of that

Zach. What is scum in any of this

[WhyMafia]

if you had ever posted your original reasons that would be a valid point

but you haven't so ????

It doesn't become invalid though so ????

someone bring iaafr to l-1 y/y

robbnva if you could dayvig somebody rn who would it be

This pinged me hard. Why would you want someone to jokingly be brought to L-1. Additionally, there's no point in asking for the biggest scum read in like the third page of the game. It just makes you seem like someone willing to game solve, when there's nothing really to do at that point.

Robb I mean if you're not adapting your definition of scummy is basically guaranteed to not be correct

This pinged me as a subtle discredit and notion that you wont listen to his reads anymore. Why would you need to adapt a definition of scummy? Someone doing something "scummy" is always opinionated anyways ..

see the above self meta + just this post never comes from scum!iaafr

also just generally most scum would be less antagonistic, plus he's actually tossing out reads even if some are less than ai

This is just gut, but this gives me a feeling that you already know Fluffy's alignment.

I'd like to lynch alchemist for In my opinion consistently scumposting but uzi is rather intriguing

a. ?????? how
b. okay but do you want to Lynch him more
c. why not move your vote off w_m then

Another gut feel. This could've just been summed up with "why?" Yet he goes on this 3 point list awaiting answers. Seems forced. Additionally, point C rubs me the wrong way in that it could be a planted association. Especially considering you already scum read me.

syndesis name 1 town and 1 scum read

rabbit not an option for either

Again, seems LAMIST

Anyways, there were my main things that first came to mind on why i have a SR on you

[WhyMafia]

you really like your page tops mulch

[WhyMafia]

l-1 rvses are the best smh
also forcing people to say something game relevant means the game actually moves into people being game relevant faster

I found your analysis's lacking though ... and L-1 RVS'S aren't the best, especially if someone Lolhammers or town accidentally hammers

only 99.9%, not 100

?

I put three different points because there were three things I disliked on the post: sring alch, the 'i Sr this guy but eh other guy is interesting', and the fact that he had multiple scumreads he was willing to outright state but stayed on smth old instead

Idk, this still rubs me the wrong way

if people change how they play as alignments then that necessarily changes what it means to be scummy

I feel like this is grasping for straws. Acting scummy is acting scummy. It's all opinionated. I don't get why you're making a fuss over that

[WhyMafia]

And on other news Zach continues to show me his skills in pushing people

[WhyMafia]

This is kinda bothering me, but idk how relevant this is. But acid, how do you have a PT?

[WhyMafia]

if alch is town tchill is very possibly scum

because tchills gut sr of alch

if tchill is scum robbvna is lock town

and robbs already very likely town but i didnt like how tchill insisted the fact that he was tunneling me locked it for him because i dont think its that simple

if tchill and alch are both scum im some kind of god maybe? but "What you think about alchemist? I'm getting gut scum feels." rarely a scum/scum move in my own experience

viliyr how sure are you i should vote tchill over alch

I mean we're not even close to lynching TChill so this list is ???

[WhyMafia]

@Fluffy I disagree with your assessment on Alchemist post 448.

[WhyMafia]

Syndasis is null scum
I might end up PoE you to be scum

[WhyMafia]

Fluffy what about TChill is scum?

[WhyMafia]

Fluffy what about TChill is scum?

im not sure he's scum but you seem sure he's town and if youre correct and you convince me of that successfully then its a good thing

so yea can you tell me why hes obvtown to you

He's not obv town. I just don't think he's scum yet.

[WhyMafia]

He seems reasonable/not fake. Additionally, there's nothing that points scum to me, which therefore makes him town.

[WhyMafia]

Syndasis is null scum
I might end up PoE you to be scum

whats scummy about syndesis to you

it would be nice if you broke this habit of listing reads without reasons

Her posts seem like she's trying to make content for the sake of forcing content. It doesn't seem natural.

[WhyMafia]

whymafia i think at this point it should be fairly obvious what i'm softing w the pt thing

You might as well hard claim the part you're softing then bc mafia would've figured it out by now but town may not have. I have my suspicions, but mafia benefit more from constant softing

[WhyMafia]

because his reasons for a lot of things are too sterile and his push on acidphoenix is agenda-y in a scummy way and i think he is pushing more town than scum on purpose

Disagreement with reads is alignment indicative?

[WhyMafia]

Is too scummy to be scum true?

[WhyMafia]

This is kinda bothering me, but idk how relevant this is. But acid, how do you have a PT?

whymafia i think at this point it should be fairly obvious what i'm softing w the pt thing

You might as well hard claim the part you're softing then bc mafia would've figured it out by now but town may not have. I have my suspicions, but mafia benefit more from constant softing

He says this after directly pointing out your soft before in a pretty awkward manner. I have my suspicions.

I have no idea what you're trying to say

[WhyMafia]

Did someone say .. WhyMafia????
That's a me! I'll be able to reply in around una hora

[WhyMafia]

Is too scummy to be scum true?

when the read correctly applies, i feel like its not stuff thats actually scummy

like when people read my quicklynch zach thing

thats actually "too scummy to be scum" because scum are rarely bold enough to look that openly sloppy

anyway what are you referring to specifically here

Your slot in general

[WhyMafia]

That you're scum? It's not town to point out softs then say "mafia know what you're claiming, but you need to claim so that town can do it too." It was quite evident he'd been softing something since he's been talking about a PT. I don't know what there was to figure out.

Well I at first had no idea if he had a PT just for himself or what. If it's obvious he's been softing, what's the harm in claiming? I don't get why that's scummy to ask for the clarification. If mafia could figure it out easily as you just implied, what's the harm in blurting it out to town? Transparency is better than being confusing.

[WhyMafia]

confbiasy in a way where i dont feel like he's actually convinced acid is scum

but ... but ... I am!

[WhyMafia]

I don't understand page 29. Are you guys trying to see how much support a wagon on me would hold? This seems off. Why don't you guys just interrogate/vote me instead of pandering to each other if it's a good idea

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: whymaf

seriously how does that divide exist

I took the game more seriously? I don't understand why this is making me scum if my posts moved from low quality to better quality

[WhyMafia]

I must now admit that there is a small percentile chance of acidphoenix and iamafluffyrabbit powerscumming the game, but only a probability.

The more fluffy keeps posting the more I think they're Town.

I somewhat disagree. My thoughts on him are all over the place

[WhyMafia]

I don't get Zach's reaction in posts 741, 742, and 748. Seems like a mixture of discrediting and "Your scum case is so ridiculous I'm not going to respond to it"

[WhyMafia]

everyone's gone ;-;

[WhyMafia]

Hello darkness my old friend ....

[WhyMafia]

Hmm. Mulch knows my meta best and I never self-meta'ed before. But uh, let's see. I post supposedly bad cases. I'm inconsistent with reads. I'm usually a SR (albeit that happens when I'm scum too), and I tend to be more confident as town

[WhyMafia]

I can provide examples if necessary

[WhyMafia]

Hi why is Uzi scum

[WhyMafia]

Vote acid again
+1 for your health

[WhyMafia]

Wait Zach isn't even voting Uzi
?

[WhyMafia]

How come everyone comes back when I can't post :-:

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Uzi


Syndesis and Tchill will never forsake me.

EDIT
I'm blind. I was looking at the vote count quoted

[WhyMafia]

Yo acid what are your scum reads again?

[WhyMafia]

Explain all

[WhyMafia]

Because my reads are literally the reverse

[WhyMafia]

Fluffy sheep me on my righteous wagon on Acid

[WhyMafia]

zzzzzzz what's the purpose of me derailing an l-4? How is that obstructing you solving?



My other lynch is whymafia who you won't lynch either

Well I mean you still haven't told people why they should vote me

[WhyMafia]

im not sure how your response relates to mine exactly

im just asking you for your historical deathtunnel accuracy

im like still vaguely tempted to sheep you but i need you to put like your ego on the line and if youre wrong im gonna need you too look embarrassed

whymaf what if i told you acids my highest and most comfortable townread and i also have some meta with him

I hate using meta to justify things. Their play should be towny, if they're scummy usually they deserve to be lynched. I made that mistake with mulch before, and I ain't repeating it. If you're behaving scummily, you deserve to be lynched. Only reason I'm not voting you is because you have a combination of towny things with scummy. Nothing acid says gives me a towny feel

[WhyMafia]

if acidphoenix is mafia he is going really hard this game to look townsidey, including apparently making like over 50 posts to himself in a private topic?

and accurately throwing out some impressions that i simultaneously had

maybe i should ask him for a scumgame out of fear tho

I thought you had "meta" with him?

[WhyMafia]

Wooo page top. Mom am I special yet

[WhyMafia]

they are really towny in my book independent of meta too

it might just be a site meta thing but the way acidphoenix is playing right now is probably the most similar in the game to how i play town so yea

Acid's play does not remind me of you

[WhyMafia]

I don't like fluffy/acid interactions. Anyone else have thoughts?

[WhyMafia]

if acidphoenix is mafia he is going really hard this game to look townsidey, including apparently making like over 50 posts to himself in a private topic?

and accurately throwing out some impressions that i simultaneously had

maybe i should ask him for a scumgame out of fear tho

Additionally he seems like the player to post a lot anyway like Mulch. It isn't really alignment indicative. Agreeing with reads isn't Town indicative at all

[WhyMafia]

whymafy did you get that selfmeta I asked for done?

Yes I'm a good kid

[WhyMafia]

Hmm. Mulch knows my meta best and I never self-meta'ed before. But uh, let's see. I post supposedly bad cases. I'm inconsistent with reads. I'm usually a SR (albeit that happens when I'm scum too), and I tend to be more confident as town

[WhyMafia]

I don't like fluffy/acid interactions. Anyone else have thoughts?

is it too buddy-buddy

because he buddied me by taking my side in some theoretical stuff vs luv/robb

but it could be town-town buddying xd

It could very well be TvS where one of you has pocketed the other. It could be TvT or SvS as well though. I don't know what to make of it, so I want other opinions as well

[WhyMafia]

im pretty sure any meta iaafr has on me is completely voided by the fact I'm top posting

oh yea this is true

acidphoenix is a habitual lowposter on mafiauniverse so this game is an exception for him

but the way he highposts this game... thats something i generally read town

and its also something i consider only the best scum players i know can fake; high-volume bumbling solviness

High posting isn't AI. There are countless cases disproving it

[WhyMafia]

Null on Acid honestly.

Noooooooooo

[WhyMafia]

Tysm

Thinking about it, I wanna give you one or two townie points...

5 points to town WM!

[WhyMafia]

Ha rapid posting is actually fun I see why people do it. At the same time, I see why others don't like it. Eh this game is full of spammers anyway. Sorry!

[WhyMafia]

im pretty sure any meta iaafr has on me is completely voided by the fact I'm top posting

oh yea this is true

acidphoenix is a habitual lowposter on mafiauniverse so this game is an exception for him

but the way he highposts this game... thats something i generally read town

and its also something i consider only the best scum players i know can fake; high-volume bumbling solviness

High posting isn't AI. There are countless cases disproving it

Is this MU? Regardless, I still don't feel comfortable with that as a town tell. These "tells" are so easily manipulatable

[WhyMafia]

Another page top! I'm on fireeeeee

[WhyMafia]

Oh no did carc scum slip with acid

[WhyMafia]

the secret to manipulatable towntells is to not use them for locktowns

Tell me. Why should I Town read you. If you were looking at a player with exactly the same posts as you, why would you read them as town

PEDIR HOLY THIS THREAD EXPLODED

[WhyMafia]

And other posts like this, he's made a few. The way he just says things and means it is not something that I can see scum doing or faking.

Also maf spec is far from any scumtell for em'

why do i feel like youre going soft on him relative to other players

like

im getting called out on reading on NAI stuff

and youre saying simple declarative statements are AI???

M8 if there's anyone we're going soft on, it's you

[WhyMafia]

fluffbun stop doing math you nerd and get back to phonological crippling

also whymafy ily I need to play more games with u in the future

WhyMafia has leveled up! He has reached level 1
XP to next friend: Infinity

[WhyMafia]

i mean

i don't know?

i don't fucking analyze my own posts for whether they're towny or not

even if i did it wouldn't be successful because i'd be a confbiasing fuck

Fair enough

[WhyMafia]

And other posts like this, he's made a few. The way he just says things and means it is not something that I can see scum doing or faking.

Also maf spec is far from any scumtell for em'

why do i feel like youre going soft on him relative to other players

like

im getting called out on reading on NAI stuff

and youre saying simple declarative statements are AI???

M8 if there's anyone we're going soft on, it's you

have you done a full iso of me man

im trying so hard to figure out this game lmao

im pretty sure i've objectively generated the most content trying to sort among the d1 scum candidates

how am i getting the soft treatment here

You're hardcore reminding me of mulch except 2x scummier. I haven't ISO'ed you in a while. Meh. I'll give a case to you tomorrow when I have access to le computer

[WhyMafia]

Where did everyone go dnwjdndnudnduwdbuwdw

The party was just getting started

[WhyMafia]

mulch tunnels way harder than me

i irritate people by refusing to commit to most reads and pushes for quite a long time

anyway carcalilly

are you willing to drop your defense of tchill or tone it down to like a "still think hes town but yall can kill him and ill laugh" kind of thing etc

We ain't lynching TChill

[WhyMafia]

More content from other slots would be appreciated. I feel like this game is being dominated by a select few

[WhyMafia]

E

[WhyMafia]

ANOTHA PAGE TOPPPPP
P

[WhyMafia]

Ha L

[WhyMafia]

Mwahahaha you cannot stop le WhyMafia

[WhyMafia]

Anyways I'm off to bed. Me need sleep. This thread better not be at like 50 pages when I next post

[WhyMafia]

I town read Uzi. We're not lynching him. Slighter scum lean on Torque, and Syndesis. Alch's vote was ugly. (This up to end of page 38)

[WhyMafia]

i just stared at zachs iso this game again for awhile

then i looked at whymaf because he pushed whymaf hardest

i still wanna say hes town and whymaf/alch might be the scum

like i read zach and i read whymaf side by side and what zach posts just makes so much more sense to me, and also feels way bolder and solvier

not a very convincing case i might do a bigger one later

the realtime town vibes i got from whymaf cooled kinda hard

so

id rather vote whymaf than zach at this point

gun to my head, uzi/zach is TvT rn

Can you state something specifically?

[WhyMafia]

Oh and I'm still waiting for that case lol. People keep scum reading me and I have no idea why. Same with Uzi. I feel like there's definitely scum within the people who scum read uzi and I

[WhyMafia]

whymaf/tchill/torque ship it

that's horrible

[WhyMafia]

I want to lynch Zach so hard .....
Do you know what'd be funny? If the scum team was Zach/Acid/Fluffy

[WhyMafia]

Yeah. But I appear to have more time than I thought I'd have xD

[WhyMafia]

of all the players with pushes you still feel least to me like you believe in yours

your fluff feels the scummiest

i also just like your reads the least

pretty sure you just listed 0 for 3

????
Like I don't get this at all.
Are you just throwing things in the air and hoping you'll gain support?

[WhyMafia]

thats my case; i dont do line-by-lines

carcalilly rly is being irritating by continually saying dont lynch x but never actually having decent reasons or directives of her own

that ISNT EVEN A CASE LMAO
you know what fuck this
VOTE: fluffy

[WhyMafia]

idgaf if he's mis-lynch bait. I'm done with this slot

[WhyMafia]

i just isoed whymaf for mentions of tchill and torque

tchill townread comes out of nowhere for 0/generic reasons and then he just continually says not lynching tchill today

torque most recently was a slight scumlean tho apparnelty got townpoints for looking transparent

like

i honestly dont get how whymaf does his own reads because his townreads are thin and all his scumreads are around my top town

your town reads are disgusting and the way you're scum reading me is as well. Like i don't understand a single reason why you're scum reading me. Is it because I look "fake" to you? TChill hasn't done anything worth scum reading him for. You're not convincing me why I should scum read him and so why should I scum read him???? And you're blatant lying. I said torque increased in scumminess?????

[WhyMafia]

do something persuasive rather than reactive

LMFAO

[WhyMafia]

fake?

look atchu go

[WhyMafia]

i just isoed whymaf for mentions of tchill and torque

tchill townread comes out of nowhere for 0/generic reasons and then he just continually says not lynching tchill today

torque most recently was a slight scumlean tho apparnelty got townpoints for looking transparent

like

i honestly dont get how whymaf does his own reads because his townreads are thin and all his scumreads are around my top town

your town reads are disgusting and the way you're scum reading me is as well. Like i don't understand a single reason why you're scum reading me. Is it because I look "fake" to you? TChill hasn't done anything worth scum reading him for. You're not convincing me why I should scum read him and so why should I scum read him???? And you're blatant lying. I said torque increased in scumminess?????

can you talk about how good you are as a town player and how accurate your d1 reads are

im curious how often you catch scum on d1 and how often you give them passes

Again with the meta. Can you convince me why I should vote TChill instead of implying me that I'm bad?

[WhyMafia]

Wish I was a town vigilante this game

same

[WhyMafia]

i just isoed whymaf for mentions of tchill and torque

tchill townread comes out of nowhere for 0/generic reasons and then he just continually says not lynching tchill today

torque most recently was a slight scumlean tho apparnelty got townpoints for looking transparent

like

i honestly dont get how whymaf does his own reads because his townreads are thin and all his scumreads are around my top town

your town reads are disgusting and the way you're scum reading me is as well. Like i don't understand a single reason why you're scum reading me. Is it because I look "fake" to you? TChill hasn't done anything worth scum reading him for. You're not convincing me why I should scum read him and so why should I scum read him???? And you're blatant lying. I said torque increased in scumminess?????

can you talk about how good you are as a town player and how accurate your d1 reads are

im curious how often you catch scum on d1 and how often you give them passes

like come on, you're just trying to look good. Your redirect does nothing to further a scum lynch. Just discredits me

[WhyMafia]

literally just explain your tchill veto or why you didnt say "maybe torque" when i listed torque in 3

there are reasons you 3 are my scumreads and if you iso me youll get hints of them

do something persuasive rather than reactive

I never even saw this "list"
and how would a lack of reply mean anything??????

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: acid

[WhyMafia]

Will respond to his case when I get access to computer within a few hours

[WhyMafia]

15 Points: The Great Objection, Brought to You by Your Host: WhyMafia

Today, my fellow citizens of town, we will embark on a true journey. A journey to expose these allegations as false. I hope you read through this. My heart and soul has been tested in this horrifying accusation against my honor and integrity.

Sit tight, and grab some popcorn!

Point 1

Spoiler: Quote

if you dont explain your townreads do you expect people to credit them or do you just know your comments are air

Hmm. Have you ever heard of asking for elaboration? If you're so concerned over this you could've just asked then, or even asked now. Instead you jump to a conclusion. Tsk tsk. Additionally, when are naked reads scum indicative? To absolve myself from being responsible for my reads? What's the difference between one or two naked reads and a reads list with no explanation If I was scum, you would think I'd blend in more instead of giving my reads, which could lead to more questions. Overall, a horrible reason to scum read someone.

Point 2

Spoiler: Quote

I mean this post doesnt even mean anything but you know what the playerlist posts like so there was no cause for genuine surprise

You know, as you say yourself, this is awfully irrelevant to your case ... In fact, you do not even know the context, I didn't know you were such a gossiper . If you insist to know why I called Mulch a "liar", it's because he said Lil Uzi Vert is the only high poster in the game. Thus, he's a liar.

Point 3

Spoiler: Quote

let me pop in and defend against the wagon that's happening right now with a vague townread. You call him mislynch bait but in the previous sentence you say you don't think he's "worthwhile".. are you lynching to find scum?

Well, my good friend, how exactly is this scum indicative? If my memory serves me correctly (which I do hope it does, I'm not that old yet!), Fluffy was being pressured, but he wasn't really in danger of a lynch. I chimed in with my thoughts, expressing my views that I do not believe Fluffy to be day 1 lynch material. Regarding your second sentence, he's day 1 mis-lynch bait. I find that as time passes on, it becomes more evident of one's alignment. Therefore, I did not believe that Fluffy was worth being lynched Day 1, and he's not necessarily town; more that his alignment will become more clear as time increases.

Point Cuatro

Spoiler: Quote

Here's a post that gives us the impression WhyMafia has analysis and reasoning to support townreading alchemist based on his own read, but he doesn't actually say by what metric he arrived at his conclusions

Why Zach, if you were so interested to my special formula, you could've just asked . I'm not that selfish! If you truly want to know, here's my secret

Spoiler: Shh Secret Don't Open Me

He had nothing that I could scum read him for!

There, was that really so difficult?

Moving on!

Point 5

Spoiler: Quote

another random tr

I recognize that time is precious, therefore I do not wish to repeat myself. Point 4 seems like a good reply!

Point 6

Spoiler: Quote

he finally explains a read here

Oh, nothing to respond to here

Point 7

Spoiler: Quote

Progression not explained for sudden townread- he didn't really have to, it's not really safe for scum to push me hard

Oh Zach, I never knew you like repeating yourself so much. Alas, I heard imitation is the best form of flattery. "Why Zach, if you were so interested to my special formula, you could've just asked . I'm not that selfish! If you truly want to know, here's my secret

Spoiler: Shh Secret Don't Open Me

He had nothing that I could scum read him for!

There, was that really so difficult?"
And Zach, maybe it was because of context that I changed my read? When some big walls are the only change in content, you'd think that those walls were the reason of the read change.

Point 8

Spoiler: Quote

His SR on acid is really bad. All of it. Surface level scumhunting that he doesn't commit to in his language, it's all "Idk.." and "it seems like"

*Sighs*
Dear Zach,
I'm sorry that I am not a god at scum hunting. I'm sorry that I'm never certain over my reads, it's not like I had information that the majority of town had. I'm sorry that I have not developed the ultra analytical sense of scum hunting and have resorted to peasant methods of scum hunting. I'm truly sorry that I just stated what I believed in. I hope you and town citizens accept this humble apology.
From,
WhyMafia

Additionally, is it not "Surface Level Scumhunting" when you call someone out for apparent "Surface Level Scumhunting?"

Point 9

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I don't even know what this means. My skills are only lacking because I haven't cased you. But you saw how I can push people when I mislynched you last game and you didn't even scumread me while it was happening.

Zach Zach Zach, maybe I merely was awaiting your case and just prompted you to finally case me. It is quite saddening when your motion recieves little support after all. All I wanted was for you to show everyone why you're right. Alas, you've proven me wrong with this farce of a case.

Point 10

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Why do I even have to exert time going through a bunch of scumposting? I'm actually not going further

But ... but ... You haven't even given any good points on why I'm scum yet! You can't leave everyone hanging! Like come on, these is all "Surface Level Scumhunting" and things that could come from town.

Point 11

Spoiler: Quote

Whymafia rolefished acid because "mafia already saw the soft" and is now lynching him. It makes no sense.

Of course things make no sense if you completely butcher the original info. This is worse than journalism! Is that why you didn't include a quote? Mhm. Anyways, I said that blatant softs are more likely to be picked up by mafia, so he might as well claim to town. If you figured out his soft, and others didn't, wouldn't that mean mafia have a chance in knowing his soft, leading to a NK or manipulation, not a "lynch". Additionally, isn't transparency pro-town? I'm sorry if it isn't. I'm a mere peasant in the grand social scheme of mafia. Please teach me the ways!

Point 12

Spoiler: Quote

he makes no mention of acids role being part of why acid is scum as of right now

Maybe because I'm not aggressively pushing Acid at the moment? But as you alluded to, a neighborizer is a good scum role, but it is handy as town as well. Albeit I've never played with a neighborizer, so please, enlighten me on what you meant. And again, this makes me scum how exactly?

Point 13

Spoiler: Quote

He has set up a push on acidphoenix early game he's only committing to his (fake) reads

You wound me! How exactly is this a crime against town? And you never even explained how this is a "fake" read. Do you know something that I don't It's ok, you can tell me!

Point 14

Spoiler: Quote

Not to mention the fact that he has me back as scum now because he's been allowed to not have accountability for his play

Yes sir, I need to scum read any dissenters of my opinions because clearly I am able to do that. Maybe instead of discrediting me you can ask why I think you're scum? No? Oh that's a shame.

Point 15

Spoiler: Quote

All townies like to do is play the only my reads matter game, it's why scum never gets lynched

Oh so you're admitting you're scum? Good to know chap, good to know. After all, you haven't taken into account anyone else's reads. But by all means, go ahead and prove me wrong.


Wait .... We're done????? BUT I NEVER GOT ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY EXPLAINS HOW IM SCUM???? WHAT IS THIS SORCERY???

Hope you enjoyed my lovely wall!

[WhyMafia]

15 Points: The Great Objection, Brought to You by Your Host: WhyMafia

Today, my fellow citizens of town, we will embark on a true journey. A journey to expose these allegations as false. I hope you read through this. My heart and soul has been tested in this horrifying accusation against my honor and integrity.

Sit tight, and grab some popcorn!

Point 1

Spoiler: Quote

if you dont explain your townreads do you expect people to credit them or do you just know your comments are air

Hmm. Have you ever heard of asking for elaboration? If you're so concerned over this you could've just asked then, or even asked now. Instead you jump to a conclusion. Tsk tsk. Additionally, when are naked reads scum indicative? To absolve myself from being responsible for my reads? What's the difference between one or two naked reads and a reads list with no explanation If I was scum, you would think I'd blend in more instead of giving my reads, which could lead to more questions. Overall, a horrible reason to scum read someone.

Point 2

Spoiler: Quote

I mean this post doesnt even mean anything but you know what the playerlist posts like so there was no cause for genuine surprise

You know, as you say yourself, this is awfully irrelevant to your case ... In fact, you do not even know the context, I didn't know you were such a gossiper . If you insist to know why I called Mulch a "liar", it's because he said Lil Uzi Vert is the only high poster in the game. Thus, he's a liar.

Point 3

Spoiler: Quote

let me pop in and defend against the wagon that's happening right now with a vague townread. You call him mislynch bait but in the previous sentence you say you don't think he's "worthwhile".. are you lynching to find scum?

Well, my good friend, how exactly is this scum indicative? If my memory serves me correctly (which I do hope it does, I'm not that old yet!), Fluffy was being pressured, but he wasn't really in danger of a lynch. I chimed in with my thoughts, expressing my views that I do not believe Fluffy to be day 1 lynch material. Regarding your second sentence, he's day 1 mis-lynch bait. I find that as time passes on, it becomes more evident of one's alignment. Therefore, I did not believe that Fluffy was worth being lynched Day 1, and he's not necessarily town; more that his alignment will become more clear as time increases.

Point Cuatro

Spoiler: Quote

Here's a post that gives us the impression WhyMafia has analysis and reasoning to support townreading alchemist based on his own read, but he doesn't actually say by what metric he arrived at his conclusions

Why Zach, if you were so interested to my special formula, you could've just asked . I'm not that selfish! If you truly want to know, here's my secret

Spoiler: Shh Secret Don't Open Me

He had nothing that I could scum read him for!

There, was that really so difficult?

Moving on!

Point 5

Spoiler: Quote

another random tr

I recognize that time is precious, therefore I do not wish to repeat myself. Point 4 seems like a good reply!

Point 6

Spoiler: Quote

he finally explains a read here

Oh, nothing to respond to here

Point 7

Spoiler: Quote

Progression not explained for sudden townread- he didn't really have to, it's not really safe for scum to push me hard

Oh Zach, I never knew you like repeating yourself so much. Alas, I heard imitation is the best form of flattery. "Why Zach, if you were so interested to my special formula, you could've just asked . I'm not that selfish! If you truly want to know, here's my secret

Spoiler: Shh Secret Don't Open Me

He had nothing that I could scum read him for!

There, was that really so difficult?"
And Zach, maybe it was because of context that I changed my read? When some big walls are the only change in content, you'd think that those walls were the reason of the read change.

Point 8

Spoiler: Quote

His SR on acid is really bad. All of it. Surface level scumhunting that he doesn't commit to in his language, it's all "Idk.." and "it seems like"

*Sighs*
Dear Zach,
I'm sorry that I am not a god at scum hunting. I'm sorry that I'm never certain over my reads, it's not like I had information that the majority of town had. I'm sorry that I have not developed the ultra analytical sense of scum hunting and have resorted to peasant methods of scum hunting. I'm truly sorry that I just stated what I believed in. I hope you and town citizens accept this humble apology.
From,
WhyMafia

Additionally, is it not "Surface Level Scumhunting" when you call someone out for apparent "Surface Level Scumhunting?"

Point 9

Spoiler: Quote

I don't even know what this means. My skills are only lacking because I haven't cased you. But you saw how I can push people when I mislynched you last game and you didn't even scumread me while it was happening.

Zach Zach Zach, maybe I merely was awaiting your case and just prompted you to finally case me. It is quite saddening when your motion recieves little support after all. All I wanted was for you to show everyone why you're right. Alas, you've proven me wrong with this farce of a case.

Point 10

Spoiler: Quote

Why do I even have to exert time going through a bunch of scumposting? I'm actually not going further

But ... but ... You haven't even given any good points on why I'm scum yet! You can't leave everyone hanging! Like come on, these is all "Surface Level Scumhunting" and things that could come from town.

Point 11

Spoiler: Quote

Whymafia rolefished acid because "mafia already saw the soft" and is now lynching him. It makes no sense.

Of course things make no sense if you completely butcher the original info. This is worse than journalism! Is that why you didn't include a quote? Mhm. Anyways, I said that blatant softs are more likely to be picked up by mafia, so he might as well claim to town. If you figured out his soft, and others didn't, wouldn't that mean mafia have a chance in knowing his soft, leading to a NK or manipulation, not a "lynch". Additionally, isn't transparency pro-town? I'm sorry if it isn't. I'm a mere peasant in the grand social scheme of mafia. Please teach me the ways!

Point 12

Spoiler: Quote

he makes no mention of acids role being part of why acid is scum as of right now

Maybe because I'm not aggressively pushing Acid at the moment? But as you alluded to, a neighborizer is a good scum role, but it is handy as town as well. Albeit I've never played with a neighborizer, so please, enlighten me on what you meant. And again, this makes me scum how exactly?

Point 13

Spoiler: Quote

He has set up a push on acidphoenix early game he's only committing to his (fake) reads

You wound me! How exactly is this a crime against town? And you never even explained how this is a "fake" read. Do you know something that I don't It's ok, you can tell me!

Point 14

Spoiler: Quote

Not to mention the fact that he has me back as scum now because he's been allowed to not have accountability for his play

Yes sir, I need to scum read any dissenters of my opinions because clearly I am able to do that. Maybe instead of discrediting me you can ask why I think you're scum? No? Oh that's a shame.

Point 15

Spoiler: Quote

All townies like to do is play the only my reads matter game, it's why scum never gets lynched

Oh so you're admitting you're scum? Good to know chap, good to know. After all, you haven't taken into account anyone else's reads. But by all means, go ahead and prove me wrong.


Wait .... We're done????? BUT I NEVER GOT ANYTHING THAT ACTUALLY EXPLAINS HOW IM SCUM???? WHAT IS THIS SORCERY???

Hope you enjoyed my lovely wall!

[WhyMafia]

OOPS SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST

[WhyMafia]

HA ANOTHER PAGE TOP

[WhyMafia]

totally my master plan. I gotta get em all!

[WhyMafia]

In all seriousness, I've never had that much fun doing a wall post, so I think I forgot to do
VOTE: Zach

[WhyMafia]

All the posts belong to me

[WhyMafia]

*Eagerly awaiting responses*

[WhyMafia]

[WhyMafia]

top kek

[WhyMafia]

keep scum posting my dude

[WhyMafia]

He has no explanation for how he got his life finessed away last game, yet this game he has "caught" me.

Sad that you resort to meta
Hey at least you're using standard ways to discredit someone.

With no progression or play-based reads.

This by itself shows that he hasn't read the wall, which makes me sad.

He offers doubtcasting of my statements, no difficult.

Unsure what he means by this

It goes without saying that his scum read on me doesn't really exist.

I thought this was you proving I'm scum? Good on you for trying to make it sound OMGUS, making my SR less appealable. I never even cased you yet silly goose, how can you already try to discredit a case when it hasn't even been published yet

That is absolutely a scum wall. I'm not going to go point for point and just get talked to in circles. It's up to the rest of you to decide to lynch WM. Fight the good fight.

he doesn't even want to push me anymore. Zach, that's not how you get your reads lynched

[WhyMafia]

fuck it im sheeping WM all game and there's nothing anyone can do to stop me
VOTE: zach

I feel honored. I have never gotten the status of being sheeped before. I don't know what to say milady

[WhyMafia]

no but really why do you hard town read me

[WhyMafia]

Guys plz

[WhyMafia]

Add in Zach and I have roughly around the same pool as you

[WhyMafia]

Zach. You keep going back and forth between uzi and why

What's the short and sweet version of why they are scum.

He doesn't have one because his whole case was proven t be bullshit

[WhyMafia]

Well there's no reason to scumread me. I imagine playing scum, you have to create it and they're doing a decent job so far.

But there's a process to getting townread in this game and it involves either AtE, calling things NAI, or just doubtcasting your opposition in a semi-decent manner.

Zach. You keep going back and forth between uzi and why

What's the short and sweet version of why they are scum.

He doesn't have one because his whole case was proven t be bullshit

Like this post here.

The thing is, I proved him wrong. He has refused to dignify my counter with a response. So he continues with these statements without any actual effort

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: acidpheonix

We're gonna go back to this after the 1v1 with robbvna.

meh acidphoenix is self resolving
just need somebody peek into his pt at night, preferrably cd or myself

would you be interested in some rope for alchemist instead, sir?

If he's scum why would he post incriminating stuff in his PT ...?

[WhyMafia]

I'm down to lynch syndesis, acidpheonix or alchemist.

what about le zach ;-;

[WhyMafia]

cause like, what scum puts this much effort into a secret pt like that

mulch

[WhyMafia]

cause like, what scum puts this much effort into a secret pt like that

mulch

did amrock do that I wanna see

no but I can imagine him doing that

[WhyMafia]

I don't believe in the case on LUV

[WhyMafia]

He hasn't done anything from that point on but give a scum pool of Dany, Syndesis, and Zach and who all scum read him. He also hasn't explained why Syndesis and I are scummy.

I don't comprehend why people are making this into a scum tell.

Post 740 is LUV scum case on Zach. He scum read Zach for his interaction with Lily. He says Zach was annoyed (I don't get that from that post) and this can only be because he is scum with Carcalily or that Zach is scum and is afraid of Carcalilly. He goes from Zach is annoyed therefore he is scum. He also scum read Zach because he said LUV had a red pm but didn't vote him. He then says that this scum read of Zachs is stronger than the one he had on rob. He got all this information from a post made in RVS.

While the case is weak how does that make him scum

Then is Post 783 he says that Zach is trying to end the day early by trying to get his scum read lynched. This pinged me because in a previous game I played with him he wanted to end the day early because he was confident in his scum read so why is he now sayings it's when Zach does it?

Again don't see how this is scum but I thought that was scummy from Zach as well

[WhyMafia]

This is a scumline in several ways, bud. "Why didn't you do x at this time" is what scum say to create an illusion of guilt. You're trying to push a burden on me that doesn't exist.

You can't say someone didn't do something if you never went to the efforts to make them do something. That's like telling someone ha you failed this test for not elaborating on this answer when directions never stated to explain something. I didn't feel like explaining my reads, but was willing to if asked. I don't get how on earth you're trying to twist this to scum.

When are naked reads indicative? When they're the majority of what you post. When you "town" those receiving pressure with no explanation but act like it's okay. The rest of your post is conjecture and you end it with WIFOM. I don't care what I should think you would do or whatever you claim I should. What you're doing right now is obviously working well enough.

They weren't in any danger of a lynch? I made my opinions known. How is that scummy? If I jumped onto the wagon later, that'd be scummy as previously I expressed my belief for them to be town. I'm not going to waste my time hardcore defending them when I'm not even certain they're town yet. I'll continue to see how things develop, then update my thoughts as things progress.

Point 2 - I don't get whatever you've interpreted from my statement. The post in question is you complaining about there being a lot of pages. With a PL of some known hyperposters, some that you've played with, I wouldn't have seen fit to complain in the first place. I said as much that it didn't mean anything.

You're making this as if its something important. Why are you continuing to bring this up?

Point 3 - Lot of words for no reason. I don't think you're lynching to find scum. I guess the pivotal point of this would be because you are scum, but whatever.

Lots of words for no reasons summed up your original "case" lmfao. I'm working by establishing town reads then working from there. I have a decent pool already. Your statement that I'm not trying to lynch scum is just a cycle. You're using that to justify why I'm scum but saying because I'm scum I am not trying to lynch scum ..?

Your mistake here is throwing a cop-out answer in my face and acting like you can make me look stupid because you casually ignore that it is, clearly, a cop-out answer. I'm not too surprised that everyone else ignores you scumposting, but this gamestate is scum-dominated about 60/40. Congrats, you've capitalized on making scum play appear townie. Good move. You explain away all your phantom townreads in this manner.

If I have no reason to scum read them for why would I not town read them? It is stupid because that's my answer. Until i have reason to think they're scum, they're town

Your acidphoenix sr is pretty fake. Normally when you scumread someone for the claim you don't do it so casually. You normally say that you don't believe their claim. Instead you just flowed past all of that and got to "yeah scum neighborizer is a good role" which isn't what we were talking about.

Why else would he have a PT if he's not neighborizer? I trust that his claim is correct so why waste time?

It was fake protowning. You were trying to create the illusion his role was shrouded in mystery and rolefished him, then your visible progression on him didn't include his role until "scum neighborizer is a good role" or along the lines. When someone says pt and they're not joking, they're either claiming mason or neighborizer. There was nothing to be discovered. If the soft is blatant to where mafia knows, then you asking them to claim only confirms information for mafia. You know this and you can't act like you don't. If there are town who couldn't pick up on "blatant softs" then it's probably better they didn't know anyway.

If it's already blatant why should it matter if it's confirmed? Additionally, transparency from town > scum narrowing down from a mason to neighborizer

Nothing in the rest of that wall is of any substance besides you doubtcasting or just acting LAMIST. I've covered everything worth mentioning. The entire post is just "here's how I can stretch your points and tell you I'm town." It isn't hard to do considering I wasn't being very adequate before.

Well why wouldn't I want to show I am town ....? And did you just admit your case was garbage
This person is making his case as we go

[WhyMafia]

Torque and Zach scummy

[WhyMafia]

V/LA until 2 days from now. flying back to maple syrup land \o/

I would love if the day doesn't end by the time I land
But if it does, please don't be a lynch on cd/acidphoenix/tchill
syndesis/zach/lil uzi vert lynches are pretty meh too

VOTE: WhyMafia

Like his strongest scum read has been Alchemist, who is overall more scum read, yet he goes on a vanity wagon

[WhyMafia]

But I'm waiting for a case to arrive on me. I have a secret weapon!

I feel like this statement is made to discourage/make me wary of a case on you
Like why would you hint this before an actual case

[WhyMafia]

Torque and Zach scummy

there are like 6/7 people who are scummy....

Meh
Acid/Torque/Zach/Synd are my big four

[WhyMafia]

Tchill, I refuse to buy that shit. You're scumclaiming if you think I was actually softing anything.

??????
On one hand you say people blatantly soft, now you're saying it's scummy to think people are actually sorting.

[WhyMafia]

Can you stop scumposting? We know I'm getting lynched, you don't have to overexert yourself.

cute way of telling me not to post/interact

[WhyMafia]

cd & awesome also

I feel like we can make a good judgement on his alignment D2 (CD) and I don't really think awesome is too scummy. Can you explain him?

[WhyMafia]

You're scumclaiming if you think I was actually softing anything.

well that's stupid because I thought you were as well...

^

[WhyMafia]

Zach just wants to intimidate people lul

[WhyMafia]

I don't really think awesome is too scummy. Can you explain him?

aside from the constant lurking, the biggest issue I had I have actually quoted it twice. he finally shows up and says he is re-reading and after a little while makes only 1 post. In that 1 post he asks a pointless question that has actually already been asked already.

I feel like if he were town and he was genuinely re-reading he would have something else.

Before that he voted me because he didn't know what I was doing, but he didn't even make any attempt to interact with me to find out what I was doing.

Hm. I re-read his ISO and see that. Weird, but not necessarily lynch Day 1 material. I'll wait for his replacement to give more content

[WhyMafia]

But I'm waiting for a case to arrive on me. I have a secret weapon!

this doesn't imply vengeful or day vig? It just implies non-VT role

[WhyMafia]

Just giving people stuff to look at while I continue my wall
16 LUV said something about it regarding it, but I have something to add. The reply to the SK seems off/forced
61 Doesn't seem RVS'y. He seems to be trying to hide something. Like it's a subtle discredit of Alchemist as well
95 seems weird because it's an RVS wagon and he's asking for full reasons why we're voting him? Additionally, it's L-3 so ???
102 He's even admitting his scum reads are OMGUS .... except he hasn't changed a single one of those reads. He's gone in trying to prove us to be scum, rather than being reactive.
112 What does he think will happen, a quick hammer? Mulch posts frequent vote counts so a "mistaken quick-lynch" would be a big scum tell. Additionally, I don't get why he's so concerned over being at L-3
120 He's discrediting anyone who votes him, while subtly raising his stocks as town by saying he's an aggressive player. Tis a shame we still haven't seen that from him.
186 Now he's saying he's trash at scum hunting and Fluffy can do it on his own. That doesn't seem naturally progressed from saying mafia are pushing him to get rid of a good town player.
224 Becomes indignant over accusations that he's not scum hunting. He's saying he scum reads people over play, but iterates that it's not OMGUS, but then goes on to say his voters in RVS were scummy for pushing a "dumb wagon" and leaves it there. He seems desperate to prove his scum reads.
234 Distances him from any meta reads, then continues to scum read Uzi over apparent "bullshitting" that he scum reads Zach.
241 Slowly distances away from scum reading Uzi after potentially realizing it's just OMGUS, and moves towards Alchemist. Keep in mind this was before 244 where Alchemist did his first "scummy" thing in that he reversed from trying to ignore meta to suddenly agreeing to listen to the meta that Acid provides. Zach didn't have any reason to scum read him, and at the same, still hasn't moved from his RVS vote
408 the content in the spoiler is all filler. He finally explains stuff/is proactive, but nothing to help sort other people. It's just commenting on stuff. The only post where he declares something is scummy/towny is where he talks about LUV. Even then, he just scum reads Uzi for a lack of ... trying to relate/understand? Or better known as not swallowing one's pride. Note how that's his first instance of explaining something to be scummy, yet he still maintains his previous reads and then you'd think he votes LUV, but he goes on Alchemist ..? Oh and he puts in some anger that he has a wagon going on .... it does nothing except make people sympathetic. He doesn't offer an alternative wagon apart from OMGUS. Wait hold on

going back to the pt and im going to think of how much words i can put this in to make people townread me for this read

?????
413 seems fake on a re-read. He just loads onto Alchemist for stuff that just seems like normal banter to me. It's a light way to scum read someone, and most of Alchemist's follow ups just seem standard. It's just an RVS level scum read. Alchemist doesn't use it to persist with his scum read, he moves on to continue to sort people such as Fluffy. Zach is pulling his scum read off RVS and for saying he doesn't have other main scum reads/asking why he scum reads Alchemist. ????
414 But maybe town didn't find anything wrong with Zach being at L-3? L-3 isn't a huge deal, and Zach is using a lack of a town response to equate that with Alchemist having a genuine scum read. But Alchemist even said that his only scum read was on Fluffy???
415 And he said tone is a horrible reason to read someone. He's just using anything he can find to continue his crusade
416 Already replied to this in my ISO
421 He's continuing to justify an Alch scum read with RVS posts .....

[WhyMafia]

457 Abandons his push on Alchemist, moves back to me. Shades Carc, and appears to try to appeal to town to wagon me up ..
499 LAMIST. What does it matter how someone reads someone else, if you're not going to disagree with that read?
545 Sigh, my wagon didnt gain traction, goes to LUV
589 Moves to quick-lynch LUV
655 Moves back to me. He's not even putting any effort into getting us lynched
728 Continues to shade carc
741 He shades LUV again. He's going with that LUV is the harder lynch, so he's trying to consolidate people on me.
748 Just calls it reachy. Shades LUV again, but doesn't express how LUV is scum
776 My wagon loses steam, heads back to LUV with some more backing
786 Continues to discredit LUV. No effort to convince others why LUV is scum though ...
986 Seems to be appearing sympathetic (for lack of a better word) and discrediting LUV's reads
997 Seems fake in how he's saying WAHHH HOW DARE YOU SCUM READ ME

[WhyMafia]

I individually responded to all his later posts

[WhyMafia]

well idk what you were actually doing but that is definitely what it appeared you were doing

^^

[WhyMafia]

My wagon's scum driven. That's why I don't have a foothold here.

LmFaO keep saying that

[WhyMafia]

last ditch effort for me to pull out of this

[WhyMafia]

tchill ur going down in my eyes
whymafy what do you think of Zach's VT claim?

Doesn't change a thing

[WhyMafia]

Idk I'm not really feeli syndesis anymore. It's reminding me of my slot in the large Normal that Alisae modded

[WhyMafia]

I can go acid though

[WhyMafia]

Syndesis would be a good vig shorn though

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Acid

[WhyMafia]

@Acid why do you scum read LUV

[WhyMafia]

I'll stay on Acid until Zach gets to L-2

[WhyMafia]

Sadly I can agree with that.

VOTE: syndesis

I don't think syndesis should be wagoned up purely because lack of contribution/lying about a desire to contribute isn't really scum indicative to me. It causes lots of mis-lynches from what I've seen

[WhyMafia]

I'll stay on Acid until Zach gets to L-2

he was at l-2 until you voted him...

Yeah I know, but it seems more people SR Acid than Zach

[WhyMafia]

Not seeing anything forced about her posts other than her reasoning for why she voted me.

Lack of content is not AI.

did you miss the part where she said she had to force herself to post? which means everything around that time was forced...

if she were town she would have replaced out long ago.

Why wouldn't she replace out as scum?

[WhyMafia]

Guys get out of your vanity wagons:
Either Zach, LUV, or Acid is today's lynch

[WhyMafia]

Why wouldn't she replace out as scum?

cause she is basically getting a free pass to lurk and do nothing.

But wouldn't that make her a liability to scum in late game? Anyways, I'm not 100% sold on Synd, and it's clear that Synd lynch won't happen with you, TChill, and CD being the two main supporters for today

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Zach then

[WhyMafia]

Only people I'm voting to lynch for sure at the moment are acid and Zach. Syndesis and whymafia are two players I don't want sticking around if their play continues to be the same and they're in fact town.

Wait by they do you mean Acid and Zach?

[WhyMafia]

they're in fact town.

I don't get this then
And why do you scum read me

[WhyMafia]

Torque get out of your vanity wagon and vote either Zach, Acid, or LUV

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: Zach

[WhyMafia]

why don't you want any of em dead

[WhyMafia]

are they all hard town reads of you? Or are they null town? Why do you want a no-lynch when you yourself said those are the only viable wagons

[WhyMafia]

They're not lynching whymafia torque and they're not going to

I'm not a miracle worker. He's gotten himself townread

maybe bc I'm town and you still havent convinced people why I'm scum. You're welcome to try

[WhyMafia]

I don't get why Torque keeps switching back to WhyMafia when he seems to want me lynched more. I'd get it if he was doing what I'm doing with my LUV vote and just supporting his Townreads but the last time seemed more like a placeholder and at a time when a vote on WM was as good as a vote on me. I'm pretty sure Torque flips red. Anyone else up for lynching him?

LUL

WhyMafia had 1 vote on him
It was just myself voting you back then
all the top wagons are shit imo
can't post for 2 days, WM was the wagon that had most people that I agreed with
well "most people" being one

Why do you town read Zach

[WhyMafia]

They're not lynching whymafia torque and they're not going to

I'm not a miracle worker. He's gotten himself townread

Thanks for the obvious Zacky

My vote doesn't do shit apparently so I'm just gonna keep my vote here and go click circles thanks

So you comfortably town read all

3

of the leading wagons to not hammer any of them? You're that certain?

[WhyMafia]

I don't get why Torque keeps switching back to WhyMafia when he seems to want me lynched more. I'd get it if he was doing what I'm doing with my LUV vote and just supporting his Townreads but the last time seemed more like a placeholder and at a time when a vote on WM was as good as a vote on me. I'm pretty sure Torque flips red. Anyone else up for lynching him?

LUL

WhyMafia had 1 vote on him
It was just myself voting you back then
all the top wagons are shit imo
can't post for 2 days, WM was the wagon that had most people that I agreed with
well "most people" being one

Why do you town read Zach

mindmeld
for the earlier part of d1 at least

Does that mean you agreed with his earlier Day 1 play?

[WhyMafia]

Be agreeing/having the same train of thought as someone isn't a way to hard town town read someone ... and a good scum player can look towny. Why are you determined to go through with a no-lynch if you're only town reading someone because of something that hasn't even lasted 1 day phase

[WhyMafia]

They're not lynching whymafia torque and they're not going to

I'm not a miracle worker. He's gotten himself townread

Thanks for the obvious Zacky

My vote doesn't do shit apparently so I'm just gonna keep my vote here and go click circles thanks

So you comfortably town read all

3

of the leading wagons to not hammer any of them? You're that certain?

If anybody i would vote it's LUV
not touching acidphoenix this game ever tbh
I still like Zach

But idk how I'm supposed to react seeing 3 shit wagons after a long ass flight

Why LUV

[WhyMafia]

wait does this not run plurality

......

[WhyMafia]

wait does this not run plurality

Isn't your top scum read Alchemist? Why would he be bussing LUV when there are so many viable counter wagons?

[WhyMafia]

i never said uzi is gonna flip scum

so who are your top 3 scum reads
Alchemist, me, and ??

[WhyMafia]

Because there's no way you only have 2 scum reads

[WhyMafia]

Anyone up for flashwagoning Torque?

[WhyMafia]

i never said uzi is gonna flip scum

Like this post dodges the question, and takes away responsibility for a mis-lynch. It makes me feel like he already knows Uzi's alignment

[WhyMafia]

And then he said he's vote parking a vanity wagon ..

[WhyMafia]

Town stop being so fucking apathetic. We're not no-lynching. GTFO of your vanity wagons TChill and Kangaroo, and vote someone Carc, and Syndesis

[WhyMafia]

Proof?

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61784&hilit=+Jake

and he survived to endgame. I guess you can find scum in RVS but I don't think these situations are similar.

And somehow got a gunsmith cleared lynched in lylo. It's pretty much why I tunnel harder now.

How do you feel on Torque

[WhyMafia]

all the top wagons are shit imo

Shut your mouth. Zach is a perfect fine wagon

Zach isn't happening. Not enough people willing. And LUV's wagon is shit

[WhyMafia]

I feel like the reason his lynch isn't going through is because his scum partners may not want to bus at the end of the wagon.

Who zach?

[WhyMafia]

"Zach is not happening" You scared to push me hard buddy all your talk is complete air


You've had the whole day to kill me and have spent most of it (faking) doing so

lmfao
unlike you I'm actually trying to get a scum lynch through

[WhyMafia]

Anyone up for flashwagoning Torque?

At this point probably not enough time and why derail a Zach wagon but if we have a vig he has a plethora of options

I'm trying to see how the final votes on Zach will line up

[WhyMafia]

Alchemist how do you feel about LUV's wagon. You say you liked the people on it if I remember correctly. What about now?

[WhyMafia]

CD we need you to switch your vote please

[WhyMafia]

Torque if you scum read Alch to that degree, you shouldn't be on the same wagon he's on period.

^

[WhyMafia]

Like by your logic, then LUV should be your hardest town read????

[WhyMafia]

Well of the three wagons

[WhyMafia]

Same

[WhyMafia]

When in doubt vote Zach

[WhyMafia]

OK this game is too fast
Why are people voting for luv????

^^
Can you drop a vote kthxbye

[WhyMafia]

Did this die lol

[WhyMafia]

ur like a mix of rob and whymafy

Place a vote next post or you're scum claiming

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: synd

I don't wanna kill zachstral

You are that confident that you would rather a no lynch than see zach's flip?

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: synd

I don't wanna kill zachstral

You are that confident that you would rather a no lynch than see zach's flip?

Sorry sir I really don't think he's scum.
More like I'd rather not get involved with his lynch.

Carc don't say that. It makes you look like a member of the mafia
Unless of course you are. Which on that case: I expected you to make better life choices!

[WhyMafia]

VOTE: synd

I don't wanna kill zachstral

You are that confident that you would rather a no lynch than see zach's flip?

Sorry sir I really don't think he's scum.
More like I'd rather not get involved with his lynch.

Like I don't understand this rationale? You'd want a no-lynch to go through?

[WhyMafia]

I'm willing to power lynch carc

[WhyMafia]

I just don't like voting for people I feel are town.

Whymafy why have you betrayed me like this :'(

You betrayed me first!

[WhyMafia]

Zach's AtE utterly bleeds scum with the addition of the defeatist tone as well ...