Newbie 1815: Prisons [Endgame]

[JaeReed]

aphix if ur town get ur head out your ass. ty

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 23 JaeReed -------- 3 ( aphix, osuka, NotTheRealPaul ) L- 2 NotTheRealPaul - 2 ( Skitter30, JaeReed ) L- 3 aphix ---------- 2 ( DoctorPepper, Ciara24 ) L- 2 Not Voting ----- 1 ( Madtatters ) With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-29 19:41:35)

FOS COUNT 2 . 23 NotTheRealPaul - 1 ( Skitter30 ) Not FoS'ing ---- 7 ( JaeReed, Madtatters, osuka, aphix, Ciara24 ) With 9 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-08-29 19:41:35)

[JaeReed]

Paul's pretty much the only one I think could be shooting for bp, basically. He'd feel secure enough in not being caught making the kill because he was widely townread.

[osuka]

VOTE: Paul

w/e

this is a bad post

[NotTheRealPaul]

lol

nice omgus. lynch that plz thank u

[NotTheRealPaul]

jae's reads changed minute he was voted

aphix went from town trying to gamesolve to maybe town but if yes stupid town.

i went from tred to sred correct me if im wrong but jae hasnt talked about me since his last readlist rlly. and i was a top tr there...

as far as nokikl ya scum!me prob does it. *shruuuuuuug* no point lying there if im scum id nokill there. esp with skitters replace in cuz id prob assume skitters will tr me and i can ez pocket/warlock

[NotTheRealPaul]

ebwop just continuing there ya nokill makes a lot of sense too bcuz skitters is alos most experienced with me so if the pocketing dont work i can shoot later.

ithat was a fun hypo tho. stupid to pursue more. tbh tho u could say the same for hae. i dont think anyone sred jae end of d1 and obviously experienced to understanding why one woukd no kill and shoot bp (im assuming bp was shot. imo jk existing and actually protecting is slim but technically thats possible too).

[NotTheRealPaul]

holy fuck my english.

[NotTheRealPaul]

@skitters does tatters remind u of dunkers?

[JaeReed]

jae's reads changed minute he was voted

aphix went from town trying to gamesolve to maybe town but if yes stupid town.

i went from tred to sred correct me if im wrong but jae hasnt talked about me since his last readlist rlly. and i was a top tr there...

as far as nokikl ya scum!me prob does it. *shruuuuuuug* no point lying there if im scum id nokill there. esp with skitters replace in cuz id prob assume skitters will tr me and i can ez pocket/warlock

What?
I've avoided talking about you because I've been wondering if you're scum from the no kill.

My read on aphix never changed. Just because he's trying to gamesolve doesn't mean he's any good at it.

[JaeReed]

ebwop just continuing there ya nokill makes a lot of sense too bcuz skitters is alos most experienced with me so if the pocketing dont work i can shoot later.

ithat was a fun hypo tho. stupid to pursue more. tbh tho u could say the same for hae. i dont think anyone sred jae end of d1 and obviously experienced to understanding why one woukd no kill and shoot bp (im assuming bp was shot.

imo jk existing and actually protecting is slim but technically thats possible too

).

If I were scum in tracker setup I'd aim to kill the tracker.
If I were scum in jk setup I'd aim to rb the jk and kill someone that has sway over the game, is unlikely to townread me or could flip at a moment's notice, or would make me look good on the flip (tatters, Paul, or osuka, with Paul being less likely of a kill).

You needed no information given into this day and were confident you wouldn't be fucked by night actions.
The bolded is too much knowledge on the setup slipping through imo.

[skitter30]

jae is like leantown. where did he go is my real question rn.

jae is leantown because he was the only one who gave a shit the first few days besides me and osuka

as far as har ik its not great reason to tr himi its why he is a fucking town lean not a solid town. it wasnt even so much he gave a shit but he was asking questions and tryna get ppl to do stuff and i liked it. rn im waiting for him to actually do shit and convince me he is town.

as far as jae, i thought u should have a read on him. he has done stuff that is AI. he has given thoughts on things. i leaned town because his questions (which i thought was implied) seemed to be gamesolving. he seemed to be trying to understand people's reasoning so he could get a read of them.

In regards to your earlier Jae vote:

@tatters it was to get jae's attention tatters. did its job.

ya its fair im not doing much. tbh this game is kinda a blur since i unvoted aphix. idrk whats been said.

VOTE: jae

We had a huge thing about how I'm nullreading Jae and you're townleaning them. Now you're voting them.

You don't get to use things that happened *after* they voted you to justify your vote. His vote on you (I'm taking that to be why you think they're scumreaing you) and his statement on Aphix happened after you voted.

jae's reads changed minute he was voted

aphix went from town trying to gamesolve to maybe town but if yes stupid town.

i went from tred to sred correct me if im wrong but jae hasnt talked about me since his last readlist rlly. and i was a top tr there...

@Jae/Paul: I'm assuming that it wasn't a no-kill, but that I got shot last night. I believe that scum!Paul shoots me always there, even if I weren't BP.

Tatters kinda reminds me of Dunkers, I guess, except they're wordier.

[JaeReed]

@Jae/Paul: I'm assuming that it wasn't a no-kill, but that I got shot last night. I believe that scum!Paul shoots me always there, even if I weren't BP.

I believe that scum!Paul shoots you because you're BP.
That's it.
It's a 0 information shot unless he's tracked, basically.

In a JK world it's no info because it could be protecting from the kill or because it's a bp shot.
In a tracker world it's even more damning because he's the only one who could be certain he wouldn't be tracked by pretty much anyone and the bp show would give 0 information to the rest of the game.

Who makes a shot that has zero risk yet zero gain?
Someone who is satisfied with their position in the game.
Therefore, paul.

[NotTheRealPaul]

when i said nokill i meant there was nokill cuz u were shot...

ya ik i said i was townleaning jae. also said i was waiting for him to do stuff. i dont mind joining a wagon to pressure him and then qhen he came out with a vote against me it makes my vote into a serious thing

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[Madtatters]

Can someone sum up in a few words why Aphix is no longer scum and Jae is now town?

[NotTheRealPaul]

read.

thats not how ppl see it. jae is being voted aphix is still being sorted (by me atleast im not syre on it atm).

and just bcuz orhers think something doesnt mean u should (ironix bcuz im a very sheepy player usually).

tatters what are YOUR opinions. like qhat do u actually think jae and aphix are? and why?

[skitter30]

Aphix was never scummy and I still don't get why he was wagoned in the first place. His last few posts (especially 506) are incredibly townie. His wagon has collapsed because I spent like a week and a half harping on this and because I said I was open to lynching Jae.

I've changed my mind on Jae. I don't want to lynch them today. I'm not convinced they're town, but I'm not convinced they're scum either.

I want to lynch Paul. Since I apparently can't get that to happen, I'm willing to lynch DP or Ciara. These are the only people I'm willing to lynch today.

Aphix
Osuka
Jae, Tatters
DP, Ciara ---- willing to lynch here and below
Paul

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[osuka]

well this game fucking stalled didn't it

I think we should lynch soon because the discussion is dead and the deadline is in 2 days anyways.

I'd be willing to lynch ciara, jae, maybe dp if someone makes a good case, and maaaaaybe tatters if something big happens (but I'd really rather not)

[skitter30]

@Ali: Since Ciara hasn't posted for more than 24 hours since she's been prodded, will she be replaced?

[aphix]

VOTE: NTRP

Yeah. So, his reasoning for me being scum is crap, but he was so adamant about it, then out the the blue decides to vote with me?

Weird ... I wonder if it's because a few people mentioned they could see Jae scum ... I don't know anymore, NTRP is just awfully scummy.

[NotTheRealPaul]

If i get lynched, lynch jae tommorrow okay?

[skitter30]

I want to lynch Paul. I don't think I can get that to happen since the people I need to convince to vote him aren't posting. 4 people got prodded in 48 hours, Jae is due for another prod, and DP is on v/la till tomorrow.

The only people who haven't needed a prod over the last few days are me and Paul lol. (And DP on v/la).

I'm not even sure I can get *anyone* lynched tbh given the lurking.

@Osuka/tatters: why is Paul a townread, and why won't you lynch him? Osuka, meta isn't a good answer - I'm not using meta for my scumread of him. I need reasons from this game on why Paul is town. Tbh, your hard townread of Paul is making me more paranoid of you.

@Ali: I think Jae is due for another prod as well.

[skitter30]

I'm slightly concerned that Paul's last post and their votes on each other are distancing attempts.