In post 79, havingfitz wrote: And the claims could just be generic such as "I'm a town PR" to make it a little more difficult for scum to nk specific PRs.
I actually didn't catch that bit.In post 276, Aubrey wrote:In post 79, havingfitz wrote: And the claims could just be generic such as "I'm a town PR" to make it a little more difficult for scum to nk specific PRs.
You missed this tid bit?In post 194, Aubrey wrote:Pretty sure it was in Fitz original plan to soft claim power roles unless I just imagined it.
I see what you're getting at, however do you have reason to believe Fitz may be town beyond this, or have reason to believe Fitz was going for that outcome specifically as opposed to possibly scum wanting us to out Power Roles? It's just that calling it specifically a "town bad plan" seems quite strong for what I see your point of view of this being.In post 273, Radical Rat wrote:It all comes down to motivation.In post 270, Mjollnir wrote:Why town's bad plan necessarily? I didn't see you giving any specific reason to townread Fitz prior to this post.In post 196, Radical Rat wrote:Like I said, it's a bad plan, but it's Town's bad plan.
Role Massclaim gives scum a Lot of information to screw us with during the night. However, it does put a lot of pressure on scum during the day, and also allows Town to effectively use their toggles. I believe that's what fitz was going for.
Now PR/Not-PR massclaim has much of the same benefit to scum, and very little to Town. It's much easier for scum to lie about their role freely in this situation, and much harder for Town PRs to know who they should target, and for Town as a whole to know who needs toggled the most. It's a weaker plan with more wiggle room and exploitation potential that I don't believe Town would have proposed as an alternative to a hard massclaim.
Ya dig?
if you check my iso i gave an updated list yesterday i think. When i called out a scum team of formerfish, IAI and you ( i think, i havent checked it).In post 271, Mjollnir wrote:OK, those are initial reads, do you have any advance on those feelings based on what has happened since? I wouldn't say responding quickly to posts in RVS/the very early stages of a game is a solid premise to townlock players on.In post 208, mozamis wrote:already gave them page 1 (?) when i formed my townbloc when people started discussing "the plan".In post 207, I Am Innocent wrote:Reasons please.
so what r your reads IAI?
i'm always up for punishing the lurkers, especially ealr yon. Always a decent chanc eof hitting scum.In post 272, Mjollnir wrote:it looks a little like you are simply going after easy targets and saying they are lurking instead of actually trying to build cases on people.
Not quite the same thing, that's calling out a specific team whereas the lists before you were saying "scum is possibly in here", have all of those in that pile barring us three now moved into the neutral zone? If not my point stands on all of us.In post 284, mozamis wrote:if you check my iso i gave an updated list yesterday i think. When i called out a scum team of formerfish, IAI and you ( i think, i havent checked it).
OK, I'm not a fan of this for two reasons:In post 284, mozamis wrote:My point was precisely that those peole that were quickly absorbed into discussing Rats plan looked quite town to em. Of course i could be worng. Just throwing out gut early reads as i always do.
OK, I get what you are saying here, scum sometimes do try and lurk their way through the beginning of a game. However it just seems suspect that all of your scumreads are either perenniel lurkers or players that haven't really posted much and you happen to townread all the big-hitters for mostly fairly incidental reasons.In post 285, mozamis wrote:i'm always up for punishing the lurkers, especially ealr yon. Always a decent chanc eof hitting scum.In post 272, Mjollnir wrote:it looks a little like you are simply going after easy targets and saying they are lurking instead of actually trying to build cases on people.
I moved IAI cos his questions to Chick sounded like BS.
I understand what you're saying, that's fair enough.In post 290, Aubrey wrote:I have an attitude that many people may not agree with. If I have little reason to think you're likely town, but reason to think you maybe scum or an apathetic townie who is just going to be a pesky grey slot for me to sort throughout the game, I'm fine pushing and potentially seeing that slot exterminated until I obtain reason to think it's town. usually in the first day phase or so. I consider it a potential victory if it flips scum, and I see it as a minor loss with small benefits if town.
pre-edit: Least likely? No no no. Misunderstanding. "the last place" as in last in a series. Btw, those were not listed from most likely - least likely. I think scum could easily be in any of those spots. I need to sit down and actually re-cap. Hopefully tonight, or sometime by tomorrow afternoon.
UpdatedIn post 218, mozamis wrote:Town: Moz, Chick, Radical, Rayo, Realo, Aubrey, Mollignir
Scum most likely in: IAI, Former, Allo, Nos,.
Neutral: Fitz, Keychain.
If all she was doing was voting and pushing lurkers to seem pro-town, I'd be on your side. That isn't the case.In post 291, Mjollnir wrote:it just seems suspect that all of your scumreads are either perenniel lurkers or players that haven't really posted much and you happen to townread all the big-hitters for mostly fairly incidental reasons.
I find the slot scummish right now, don't care for their advances, and not working toward the town's win condition. I'm not voting the slot simply because I think it's going to be a pain to sort. It is a bonus reason though.In post 292, Mjollnir wrote:I understand what you're saying, that's fair enough.In post 290, Aubrey wrote:I have an attitude that many people may not agree with. If I have little reason to think you're likely town, but reason to think you maybe scum or an apathetic townie who is just going to be a pesky grey slot for me to sort throughout the game, I'm fine pushing and potentially seeing that slot exterminated until I obtain reason to think it's town. usually in the first day phase or so. I consider it a potential victory if it flips scum, and I see it as a minor loss with small benefits if town.
pre-edit: Least likely? No no no. Misunderstanding. "the last place" as in last in a series. Btw, those were not listed from most likely - least likely. I think scum could easily be in any of those spots. I need to sit down and actually re-cap. Hopefully tonight, or sometime by tomorrow afternoon.
I do disagree entirely with targeting someone for the reasons you describe just for the record. I would go as far as to say it's anti-town to just go after someone for that reason alone as it goes against the idea of actively scumhunting and being apathetic is pretty NAI imo. Furthermore if they are town this allows scum an easy target to go after to score a mislynch.
apart from Chick (see my above post), yes i townread them. Its not they were just on line at the time. If so, it might have been the usual fluff posting rvs stuff. But they werent fluff posting. Rat came roaring out of the gate with an idea to solve the game, and alot of players got into it.In post 287, Mjollnir wrote:are they still townread by you based on this one bit of evidence early on? Has nothing they have done since been comment-worthy? Some of them have been noted by you, others have not.
In post 281, mozamis wrote:Not sure if he is paranoid scum or emotional town.
because they're manufactured and fakeIn post 291, Mjollnir wrote: OK, I get what you are saying here, scum sometimes do try and lurk their way through the beginning of a game. However it just seems suspect that all of your scumreads are either perenniel lurkers or players that haven't really posted much and you happen to townread all the big-hitters for mostly fairly incidental reasons.
Well I think I've responded to much of what I've cared about these last three pages.In post 279, Mjollnir wrote:Nosferatu:Seeing as we have mostly stopped talking about setup spec, would you be willing to give thoughts on the 3 most recent pages at least? Also what is the benefit of leaving it to Page 20 or so before reading through a game?