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Dunkerdoodles (3) - BlueBloodedToffee, Srceenplay, Creature
Mulch (3) - Vedith, Elyse, Dunkerdoodles
Srceenplay (2) - Mulch, UnaBombaH
Aeronaut (1) - pisskop
Creature (1) - Tchill13
UnaBombaH (1) - tictac

Not Voting (1) - Aeronaut

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is September 14th, 6:30 PM PST (expired on 2017-09-14 18:30:00)

[Creature]

If cd were scum, I'd expect cd v Vedith to be SvS

[Creature]

TvS doesn't explain that fight.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dunk is town.

I don't see scum reversing this read so quickly when the wagon is at L-1. And if cd was his scumbuddy then I don't see him putting in the effort of making a case on him only to switch the read

Does his reversal and revote of Mulch change this read at all?

I'm surprised you glossed over that in your catch up.

PEdit - Why can't it be TvS?

[Creature]

I don't think cd would've put much fight.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, I'm caught up.

Need to see a lot more from UnaBomba, TChill and Aero.

Really happy to just lynch Dunker (and we're approaching page 20 so we should really be looking for a lynch now) and move on into Day Two.

PEdit - Why wouldn't he put up a fight as town? I'm pretty sure I would have reacted very similar to how CD reacted.

[Elyse]

How long have you been playing mafia?

You already acknowledged my joindate.

Look.

I know what the phrase TMI means but I've never seen it used in the context you did. I thought you were saying I was scum with someone named TMI and had no idea who that was.

In your spoilered response to tictac, you say the "information" I have is that my townread on Dunk is too strong - that I must have some inside knowledge. That's bullshit. Just because I am confident does not mean I am scum.

Dunk is town.

I don't see scum reversing this read so quickly when the wagon is at L-1. And if cd was his scumbuddy then I don't see him putting in the effort of making a case on him only to switch the read

Does his reversal and revote of Mulch change this read at all?

I'm surprised you glossed over that in your catch up.

PEdit - Why can't it be TvS?

No it doesn't. It makes him more town. I don't see the scum motivation behind doing what he did in the slightest. Seems to me like he has genuine reads.

[Srceenplay]

Sooo

[Elyse]

VOTE: Tchill

[Dunkerdoodles]

@bbt, i originally agreed with vedith that this post

Tell me why he's scum and I'll hammer him.

was scum looking for an early reason to hammer, but later i realised it wasn't actually L-1 so it being a reaction test makes sense. irdk about mulch he's basically null right now.
why are you pushing me so hard? are you aware of my meta at all? (just out of curiosity)

OK, I'm caught up.

Need to see a lot more from UnaBomba, TChill and Aero.

Really happy to just lynch Dunker (and we're approaching page 20 so we should really be looking for a lynch now) and move on into Day Two.

PEdit - Why wouldn't he put up a fight as town? I'm pretty sure I would have reacted very similar to how CD reacted.

this line feels very pushy like you really want to lynch me and end the day with an easy mislynch.
you also never really explained why you voted me in the first place and never directly answered that question when i asked it before which is scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mulch is null but you were happy to sit on him as the largest wagon and push him to be lynched? Makes sense :sarcasm:

It might feel pushy because that's exactly what it is and I really do want you lynched. I told you if you didn't understand why I was voting you then you must not be reading the thread.

Guys, Dunker is scum in this game. Please help me lynch him.

[UnaBombaH]

Need to see a lot more from UnaBomba, TChill and Aero.

I haven't been very active this game, I know that, and actually apologize for it.
But I'm still a rather new on this site, and I'm not even "OK" as a tonereader: my better attributes come to light D2 and D3.

All I can say for now, is that this game has been somewhat..calm..in my opinion thus far.

I don't see any "obvious" lynches for D1, and I don't oppose any "obvious" town-lynches (because I don't see any currently).

I'm surprised to find myself without any strong reads at this point of the game, but it will surely change in the near future.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How about you ISO Dunker and tell me your opinion on him?

[UnaBombaH]

How about you ISO Dunker and tell me your opinion on him?

So far I think I have only seen town!Dunker in the games I have played/read, and he has been quite lynch-baity in all of them.
His ropejumping with scum!Mulch was not very "clean", but then again, Mulch is always one to divide opinions.
His posts can go from 0 to 100 in a page, and he is good at provoking others, so maybe Dunker caught some of that, and bounced back to voting.

If something, Dunkers case on cd is one of the most in-depth cases I have seen him make - which funnily pops out the most to me..
..but I can't force myself to scumread him for that, it would be silly only based on meta. (scumread a player for putting effort into a post because you don't think they normally do..? )

Null+ / townlean for now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you think joining the wagon might help you to sort a null read?

[UnaBombaH]

Do you think joining the wagon might help you to sort a null read?

Not on Dunker.

And in the case where he ends up flipping, and flips his scum, his buddies are not close by.

I'm still re-reading and trying to find a scum I'm even somewhat confident with.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't understand how applying pressure and forcing someone to contribute more than what they're currently doing doesn't help you develop a read.

You don't need to be looking for all 3 scum either - you only need one for Day One and then you go from there.

[UnaBombaH]

I don't understand how applying pressure and forcing someone to contribute more than what they're currently doing doesn't help you develop a read.

You don't need to be looking for all 3 scum either - you only need one for Day One and then you go from there.

In my experience Dunker doesn't react to pressure either way. So as I said, voting him leads to nothing but a lynch, and currently I don't read him as scum.

I don't even need a scum D1..I just need a lynch that gives me as much info on multiple alignments as possible. (this is currently my favorite provocation-thing to say)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So what you're saying is you don't want to use meta to scum read him but you will use meta to defend your position of not wanting to join the wagon?

[UnaBombaH]

So what you're saying is you don't want to use meta to scum read him but you will use meta to defend your position of not wanting to join the wagon?

Ech..if you want to twist my words to the extreme, then go ahead.

Very simply put: Dunker is not coming off as scum to me (based on meta), with the one exception of him making a longer explanatory post on his case on cd (which is good for town imo, even if it's not typical Dunker).

And also: my meta on him is still limited to something like 3/4 games I have played/read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Therefore your meta read should be discarded and you should read him based on what he has done in this game. You basically just discredited your own meta read.

I didn't twist your words either - I just stated what took you a coule of paragraphs in a concise sentence.

[UnaBombaH]

He made one post that helped the gamestate (in my opinion at least), and I should discard everything else he has written just because that one post is an exception from his "meta"-play?

I can't say I agree.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And also: my meta on him is still limited to something like 3/4 games I have played/read.

This is why your meta read should be discarded. You said yourself - it's limited, so I'm not sure why you would try to base a read off of it.

Either way, you have made your position clear. You would like to steer clear of the Dunker wagon without either a read or solid reasoning for why you want to do so.

[UnaBombaH]

Either way, you have made your position clear. You would like to steer clear of the Dunker wagon without either a read or solid reasoning for why you want to do so.

If this isn't twisting my words, I don't know what it is..

Let me rephrase it for you: I do not feel a need to wagon Dunker based on his actions in this game, especially when taken into account the limited meta I have of him.

[UnaBombaH]

What I can't find a reason to, is why chill and aero are left alone with the amazing amount of content they have provided?