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Oh, sure, nine pages, why not. Hi everyone!"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Well after the first five pages of nonsense I wasn't expecting two pages of wallposts that I glazed over."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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On the plus side, Creature is town.
On the minus side, the rest of you townies need to play like townies instead of dumb gambits and fakeclaims. Make it easy for an old man jeezus."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Is my hyperbolic exaggeration AI to you?In post 246, MarioManiac4 wrote:can you point me to dumb gambits and fakeclaims made after page 2"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Staking a post here. I didn't read 12-20. I have a crummy sinus infection and the antibiotics make it so I can't focus on the words on the page. Who was it that complained about me complaining about wacky gambits? Yeah there's one on this page ffs."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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When did Boon arrive in this game?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Same.In post 896, MarioManiac4 wrote:Fine with just lynching excession or massive to be honest."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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VOTE: MarioManiac4
Mise well OMGUS at this point."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Like, isn't that the BEST time to OMGUS?In post 950, UnaBombaH wrote:
But you shouldn't OMGUS after you agreed that excession or you should be lynched..?In post 921, massive wrote:
Same.In post 896, MarioManiac4 wrote:Fine with just lynching excession or massive to be honest.
Oh Boons drew scum! Well that's tragic.In post 978, Boonskiies wrote: Massive I'd rather wait a few days then lynch him today, but I'm not town reading him."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Like, isn't that the BEST time to OMGUS?In post 950, UnaBombaH wrote:
But you shouldn't OMGUS after you agreed that excession or you should be lynched..?In post 921, massive wrote:
Same.In post 896, MarioManiac4 wrote:Fine with just lynching excession or massive to be honest.
Oh Boons drew scum! Well that's tragic.In post 978, Boonskiies wrote: Massive I'd rather wait a few days then lynch him today, but I'm not town reading him."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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No. There's too much hedging here. If you're town then you know my town game and there should not be a "I'm not town-reading him" tacked on at the end there. You don't want to lynch me? Fine. But there's zero reason that you (as town) need to say "I'm not town-reading him" or play any kind of defense.In post 1009, Boonskiies wrote:@massive - I know it's a lot, but please read the game and don't just assume and make up reads. I have clearly stated how I am on your slot, and you immediately assumed otherwise. What game do I play with you where I don't say something like this?
I've been here the whole time and haven't read 40 pages either. There's lots of ... glazable parts.In post 1115, gerryoat wrote:So what should I look into. I hope you guys aren't expecting me to read 40+ pages
I did read the last eight. Good news is Creature is still town."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Flairs has a good read on me. Sadly it's all NAI stuff. But she got it all correct except for that part."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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And people want to scumread me for not reading every post."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I think I'd be a lot happier to be scum seeing as the (presumed) town is more concerned with auditing their own scum game or being "wacky" than hunting scum. No, I'm upset that I gotta work with 75% of them to the same end goal.In post 1241, Game Replacement wrote:
Are you scum though?In post 1239, massive wrote:And people want to scumread me for not reading every post."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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10 pages you people are monsters."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Hey Mario how's that "there haven't been fake claims / gambits since page 2" thing working out for you.
Also I hope you get a wicked super power once you vote for everyone in the game."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I guess so, at least so you can see I'm gonna give you shit for it the rest of the gameIn post 1532, MarioManiac4 wrote:It was true up to the point when I said it... do I need to dust off my crystal ball for you?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Catching up from 1658. I mean MAYBE because Judas Priest it's 26 pages and I know half of those posts are just going to be Mulch carrying on about his pet lynch."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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That Nero wagon looks like the worst group of people to be a part of ever."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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See this is irritating as all get-out. I post everyday. Sure most of this game has been just to complain but it's still activity. Just because I don't have Post Diarrhea doesn't mean I'm a lurker.In post 2351, Creature wrote:massive is probably just a lurker"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Doesn't give them a scum one either.In post 2359, MarioManiac4 wrote:Someone having a low postcount doesn't give them a green Role PM."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Hurtful!In post 2362, Creature wrote:
That plus I know it's your playstyle to not be noticeable.In post 2361, Eddie Cane wrote:which is why he said lurker not town or scum"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Bro, you want to talk about a wagon that's bad, you're on one with Dunkerdoodles and wavemode."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Yeah, I don't think he's scum. I would do Boons though probably."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I read Yumeko again (because their ISO is shorter than mine even) and ... the only thing I noticed beyond "if Yumeko is scum Mario is scum" was they had a good point about UnaBombaH which was, at that time, PV and Eddie both had zero posts but were in different categories of reads in his list in 459. I don't immediately see an answer to that in Una's ISO. Una?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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If you think he's null why are you starting failed counterwagon after failed counterwagon?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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VOTE: Mulch
Dropping RTJ lines is good enough for a townread of KidAmn for me. Plus I townread Nero so let's see where this goes."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Because they were two ... in a million! Oh come on."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Is that correct that the gerryoat wagon has completely vanished without even a vanity vote left? That's impressive."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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OH THE SHAAAAAAADEIn post 3128, Mary Saotome wrote:I need to go read Massive I forgot he was here
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Y'all can lynch me, I'm not a PR."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Y'all gonna put 20 pages on this thread in a weekend like you don't EVER want me to stay current."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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It's not me! I can at least confirm I'm active lurking. PS I think this is town Titus."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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The problem with Wave is that, if he's scum, he's doing absolutely nothing to help his side win short of joining your wagon. His vanity wagons get him absolutely nowhere.
I could vote Flairs."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I guess? I feel like he's not listening to any teammates, if that makes any sense.In post 4462, Nero Cain wrote:So you think he's just dumb town?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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And why did it take so long for a counterwagon to spring up against Nero? And why did the discussion about TwoInAMillion vigging Nero have no impact on your opinion of said counterwagon?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Sure, I can see how "just survive to mid-game" is a viable scum strategy this game, especially in the first day when they still had their encryptor."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Mary have you ever mentioned why you keep namedropping me in your shoot pool?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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What makes me the standout member of this "group" that causes you to list me rather than any of the others? You clearly aren't isolating just me since you included Mario in that list and he doesn't fit that grouping.In post 4498, Mary Saotome wrote:
You're in the group of lurking behind big names and doing nothing in this game. You have basically 0 stances on the game besides sheep votes from what I've seenIn post 4494, massive wrote:Mary have you ever mentioned why you keep namedropping me in your shoot pool?
... nevermind the fact that you yourself are probably in that group ..."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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This is something I can get behind.
VOTE: Mary Saotame"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I butchered that.
VOTE: Mary Soatome"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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You can lynch me, I'm just VT and we're way far ahead at this point. I'm going back to Mary.
VOTE: Mary Soatome"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I don't remember thinking anything about Flairs but I'm pretty sure that Wasn't who the Mary wagon was counter to. But I'm on my phone so I'll be happy to refute you further tomorrow.In post 4664, TwoInAMillion wrote:Mary is town. You knew flairs was scum and tried to protect him by trying to switch the wagon from flairs to mary yesterday."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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I guess I must have been the default mislynch target in the scum thread last night and you guys came up with the line to take?In post 4846, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Yesterday you had massive in your lowest tier and he voted against a scum lynch, what changed your mind from there to MarioManiac4?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Dave's L-1 as far as my counting skills are solid. Consider this intent."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
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Fuck your peer pressure.
VOTE: davesaz"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
"unvote mlaker; vote massive; It's like MeMe/mneme and Corsato/Cadmium" - Dragon Phoenix, Newbie 38
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I'm theoretically fine being today's lynch, just let me get my thoughts in the thread."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
"unvote mlaker; vote massive; It's like MeMe/mneme and Corsato/Cadmium" - Dragon Phoenix, Newbie 38
PLEASE NOTE: I actively avoid being online on weekends! Don't replace me just because of this!-
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massive Mafia Scum
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Having Titus stand up for me is weeeeeeeird"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
"unvote mlaker; vote massive; It's like MeMe/mneme and Corsato/Cadmium" - Dragon Phoenix, Newbie 38
PLEASE NOTE: I actively avoid being online on weekends! Don't replace me just because of this!-
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massive Mafia Scum
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Has Yumeko's jailkeep actually been proven?"1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
"unvote mlaker; vote massive; It's like MeMe/mneme and Corsato/Cadmium" - Dragon Phoenix, Newbie 38
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massive Mafia Scum
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I feel like I've fallen into the "this is an autowin" mindset and I'm not being useful enough. Lynching me doesn't win.
This is osuka's lynch:
osuka(10 - LYNCH):MarioManiac4, WhyMafia (now Titus), TwoInAMillion,Dunkerdoodles, Eddie Cane (now skirt skirt),Nero Cain, Mary Saotome, gerryoat,Boonskiies, KidAmn
If I'm scum then this is all-town on town which I think I've seen happen ONCE in fifteen years.
Also note that this puts me on both scum lynches and NOT on the town lynch."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
"unvote mlaker; vote massive; It's like MeMe/mneme and Corsato/Cadmium" - Dragon Phoenix, Newbie 38
PLEASE NOTE: I actively avoid being online on weekends! Don't replace me just because of this!-
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massive Mafia Scum
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Mary. Pretty sure I've voted Mary D2 and D3."1AM .. not a good time to think I started mixing massive and mathcam" - Totem, DP8
"unvote mlaker; vote massive; It's like MeMe/mneme and Corsato/Cadmium" - Dragon Phoenix, Newbie 38
PLEASE NOTE: I actively avoid being online on weekends! Don't replace me just because of this!
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