Mini 1937 ~ Girls ♥ Girls 2: Mini's Apartment ~ Endgame

[Prism]

Probably true.

Order of things to check:

1) VNB/Carya. Am I sure it is not VNB? 100%?
2) camn/NMS. Do I think there's a chance they're gambiting?
If so: 3) Evaluate kmd/Ginngie/Imperium again, otherwise just go straight to shooting Imperium+jailing kmd.

[Prism]

Regardless, for Carya, chance of me being scum is now effectively 0. I guess you can say that kmd hasn't been on yet and thus could be a possible third but guess what,

I shut the fuck up, wait for them to come on without encouraging more discussion, and just do it

rather than make a point about discussing it all like this.

[Ginngie]

Okay, game's over, but I 100% beleive the mason claim because according to nancy, having a strong town read is like

When it's true it's just true. The best reads just come to you and you can't stop them from coming to you; you can't help but have the read because it's just too good and too pure and when that happens it doesn't matter how fast or slow it came it just matters that it came and that's not innuendo but it's not a coincidence that the best orgasms do in fact operate in the same way.

So coming (heh) from nancy's vagina, mastina and camn basically had a really strong orgasm to each other

:3 My logic is infallible

[NoticeMeSenpai]

the way Mastina knew and told Jae (I'm guessing Jae wouldn't have figured it out on their own anyway.)

Actually mastina asked if I needed to know and I said no, and that I already had a fair guess from the drawings anyways.

[VNB National Plan]

Bella is busy working her job that actually forces her to work but she dropped in to rant some dissertations before bed for me to dutifully note:

She thinks Cary using her alt to imply shit about her is gross ("I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS who called people a cheeky fuck, who the fuck DRAWS" (also she doesn't think it's Thor but is imagining Thor coloring now)) She doesn't crumb in her first post and how do you crumb 'kinda cop neighbourizor' to which I would add WHY would you crumb kinda cop neighbourizor? (My version of crumbing was being very clear on how my opinion had ~firmly changed~ on Day 2 about Prism.)

When Cary says we were shading Spiffeh we were townreading them, and we were always scum reading KMD. A lot of the active players at that point (Day 1 i think) were town, if camm, spiffeh, polar, etc, were the people posting having crrect town reads, which we have had, isnt a scum tell. We got asked to quote ari's thing about our scumreading him and we did. its in his sig and that's DISENGENUOS? also, we were defending polar. we argued in the pt about it. (I also kept arguing for points against KMD while everyone else was speeding along the lynch.)

In summary, "their whole case on us was wifom and misrep and they should just eat rope". <3

[VNB National Plan]

If anything I started to doubt that Polar was town based on the vehemence of someone I knew was town thinking he was scum. I regret not fighting harder against that but it's not like it was reasonable to assume he'd be hammered so quickly.

[camn]

ok people.. I got my spreadsheet updated here...
Lemme get my thoughts together.

[camn]

Spoiler: raw data

name	flavor	role	targets:	N1	N2	notes:
camn	menstruation	Hated even-phase		xx	Spiffeh vig
NoticeMeSenpai	menstrual cup	odd-phase mason		xx	xx
Imperium	bedroom bookshelf	Flavor Tracker		Leonshade	VNB (blocked)	plus soft?
VNB National Plan	NEW RELATIONSHIP ENERGY!	Loyal Neighbourizer		Prism	Caryatid
Kmd4390	Flavorless Lubricant	conditional roleblocking protecting visitor		FORGOT	Ginngie
Caryatid	Lingerie	neighbourising vig-maker.		camn	Prism
Ginngie	big ass mirror	Vanilla		xx	xx
Prism	Strap-on dildo	neighborizing non-consecutive-target jailkeeper		FORGOT	Imperium
Aristophanes	Chocolate	Vanilla		xx	xx
Heartless	Medication	Guard		??	xx
Polar Vortex	Incense	Vanilla		xx	xx
Leonshade	Ketamine	Limited Role Enhancer		Imperium	xx
Spiffeh	Portable Speakers	Vanilla		xx	xx

Ok.
First-

IMPERIUM

- what were you softing in 2040? Lets have it. I made you a compilation.. give us the rest.

Next: balance check? This is my breakdown, obv.

Spoiler: one possible setup

TOWN:

Vanilla x 4
Guard (modifed roleblocker- works on Vigs and Scum only)
Limited Role Enhancer
Disjointed masons, nerfed with HATED mod.
neighborizing non-consecutive-target jailkeeper
Loyal Neighbourizer

VS:

SCUM:

Compulsive Disloyal Neighbourising vig-maker X-shot
Flavor Tracker
conditional roleblocking protecting visitor (ALSO a modified roleblocker? But plus Doc?)

Does it make sense?

I am not sure KMDs role is great as scum.. and I will say it was about 50/50 for me killing KMD last night, but Cary didn't seem to protest.
If she flips scum, I would think maybe readdress this assumption.

[Prism]

Actually, from Carya's point of view at this juncture, both Ginngie and VNB must be scum, or else it must be all of VNB/camn/NMS.

Any other vote would have been blitzed by now, unless again you think scumteam just hasn't had time to do it because kmd is AFK or something.

[Prism]

Oh wow I just now realized how guard actually works, I mistook it to be a straightforward doctor. That's actually pretty neat.

[camn]

or else it must be all of VNB/camn/NMS.

She knows it cant be me.
If I were scum I would have straight vigged her last night. No question.

[VNB National Plan]

I'm pretty sure Imperium is a rolecop and that's why he was targetting me.
If you killed kmd with Cary's power and decided she was comf-town surely she'd try to win via extreme towncred.
Telling you not to shoot kmd would have looked crazy bad if he flipped scum.

Actually a thought about KMD: His role should really have a neighbourizing component that it's lacking. Possibly eavesdrops on people he targets?

[camn]

I can buy that Cary was playing hands-off.
But I'm putting it out there for fairness.

I want Imperium's additional juice.

There's also one more aspect to our role that I'm keeping under wraps; I'm fairly skeptical it will come into play and will claim it under immediate threat of death, but it's optimal to keep hush hush about it now.

I want it.

[Kmd4390]

Catching up...

Prism's claim doesn't make me feel any better about Prism. I feel like both of us being town makes no sense because our roles are so similar. Prism being scum with that role would mean town and scum both have a JK variant though.

smitty is a reviewer and without a cop, it makes sense to have a mason pair.

Everyone agrees town are just a bunch of dumbasses so that's why you have some townies being able to be cleared

Imperium and VNB both claimed investigative.

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So one of VNB/Cary has to be scum for sure. If it's Cary, that confirms Prism as town as well. Hmm.

Prism, how much of VNB's claim are you able to confirm? Probably just the fact that you got a PT together, right?

<-this got answered later with this:

I mean, just being pedantic but VNB themselves aren't confirmed beyond their ability to neighborize. I got no confirmation of their role, it was onesided.

I'm kind of wondering whether VNB is just a neighborizer and threw in that bit about the target having to be town so we mislynch Cary and scum wins. That claim really does seem too strong to exist with Imperium's claim AND masons.

You must've been roleblocked.

Prism and myself have the ability to block and both of our targets have confirmed that we targeted them. The only way VNB was blocked is if scum has a blocking ability that hasn't been claimed which would make three in this game. Either VNB is straight out lying or you are scum.

We're probably lynching Caryatid.
KMD is to give the doctor protection to VNB National Plan

If Cary is lynched and flips scum, I'll do this but I really think it's the other way around.

Additionally KMD's role is a great mixture of offense/defense in the context of handing a vig to a town player, in that it can be used to stop the town from functioning properly.

Huh? If scum have a vig maker, they'll use it to get town players killed. They'll give it to people with bad reads. What would be the point in stopping that?

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I only have the last three pages to read. Need to feed my fish and will finish up after.

[VNB National Plan]

Just a neighbourizer? in THIS economy?!

[Kmd4390]

If Prism is scum and you gave him a vig aren't you worried that the game is already over? It seems like you'd be freaking out more about that.

Yes that's exactly why I am freaking out.

But shouldn't Prism's lynch take priority over VNB's in this case?

If the game is already over why would I fake a guilty on you instead of someone like kmd who is easier to lynch and I was already suspicious of?

When you are scum faking a guilty, you always want to do it to someone not in the lynch pool. I just did that in my last completed game actually. I actually agree with Prism here:

me and Carya would probably be the most vulnerable to a fake guilty

His role should really have a neighbourizing component that it's lacking

Why? I didn't even realize until today that this game is apparently neighborhood central.

[Caryatid]

But shouldn't Prism's lynch take priority over VNB's in this case?

Yes. But I

know

that VNB is scum. I don't know about Prism. She says I should know she's town by now because they haven't quickhammered but in a recent game I saw scum slowroll it for a day just for the lols + Imperium has said they have something else up their sleeve and other town players may also be holding something back; if the scumteam just piles right onto me, they're putting themselves at some risk that they may yet be screwed by night actions. If this were an open setup then they could afford to quickhammer but I can understand a cautious scumteam wanting to play it by the books and not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by a careless misstep.

The fact that Prism hasn't quickhammered me is a nice sign but it'd be a nicer one if she weren't pointing to it so much. I'm going to do this by the books and read through her ISO now.

[Kmd4390]

I feel like with Prism having that shot, not lynching Prism is saying we're pretty confident Prism is town.

[Caryatid]

If both VNB and Prism are scum then absolutely we have to lynch Prism today and VNB tomorrow.

Also it's 5 to lynch not 4 and Ginngie is in the pool of people who might be scum so no, Prism isn't clear yet.

[Ginngie]

If both VNB and Prism are scum then absolutely we have to lynch Prism today and VNB tomorrow.

Also it's 5 to lynch not 4 and Ginngie is in the pool of people who might be scum so no, Prism isn't clear yet.

Lol

[Caryatid]

If you were town why were you trying to dumbtell earlier

[Caryatid]

VOTE: Notice

Skeptical of that vague claim. Feels more like a gambit than them actually pondering anything. (Should I claim this? When? How to do so? Soft or hard claim? All things to discuss with the hydra partner. Possibly done pregame, but for now going to doubt it.)

Alright that's all I've got for now I'm not part of the circlejerk and I'm not going to try to be.

Someone call me in a few hours/days

I remembered her later saying she'd only played with Mastina once and hadn't paid much attention to her there so I looked it up, and she played with Mastina in British Monarchy, who was part of the woodcutter's hydra and she did mention mastina only a few times, choosing to interact Nacho a lot more. They were both town.

However she also played with Mastina in camn's revenge, and in that game she mentions Mastina a good deal in her ISO, spends a long time picking at her playstyle but ultimately townreads her correctly. I think after two games of playing with Mastina, Prism should be more used to Mastina's playstyle than she is.

Mastina opens camn's revenge with speculation about how alignments were assigned in the draft and then saying she *wants* to soft but won't because of who the scumteam likely is which is an indication that softing is what Mastina would normally be doing.

In British Monarchy, Mastina opens ... okay this is weird, she doesn't soft anything, and all the opening posts are really short even though some are in her style. So I guess Prism has seen an example of Mastina not softing anything (will wonders never cease) as a VT, though this is the game where she wasn't paying attention to Msatina anyway so whatever.

Anyway, Prism has seen Mastina vagueclaiming as town PR in camn's revenge and not vagueclaiming as VT and I'm doing pomodoros today so you never have to read more than 25 minutes of reading/researching/writing in one post and so that I can alternate with some chores as well.

[Ginngie]

If you were town why were you trying to dumbtell earlier

?

[Caryatid]

Am I supposed to alt hunt?

>_>

No, you're not supposed to alt hunt. You're supposed to have heard of the concept of alts before, to interpret "I have played with Caryatid before" as "this is not Caryatid's first game of mafia", to be not thoroughly and utterly confused by the concept that a person might have more than one account, especially after a bunch of people said "I know who Cary is" and then you're like:

Jae is scumreading Caryatid and at this point I'm not inclined to disagree. I know that I always read Caryatid as town regardless of their alignment so I know I don't have the ability to actually tell when Caryatid is scum and when I see shit like this I'm right there along-side Jae thinking that yes it actually is the Caryatid who is scum since moments like this fundamentally feel wrong and in addition to the wrongness there's also how a scum-Caryatid also fills in the gaps in a scumteam nicely in that it explains the gamestate and why it's been so hard to lock scum down.

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You're doing me a confuse

I don't expect you to figure out who I am even with mastina saying "I'm not going to say who it is i'm just going to narrow it down to a tiny handful of people" because you

don't

know me but you've already seen an example in this very game that a person can be playing on a brand new account, Ahsoka, and yet be somebody that people know and have played with before.

[nancy]