I mean, I've posted two reasonably lengthy catchups and I'm doing my best to engage with the game while continuing to read...
...but since the man who flails more than a wacky waving inflatable arm man wants to go I guess we're putting that shit on hiatus while I bang this shit the fuck OUT, let's go, El-P! Huh? Champ!
First off I think I've made my feelings about the whole mason shit perfectly clear (and Nero can catch some hell for that equally)
In post 114, Mulch wrote:Alright. So probably some of you are wondering where I'm going with all these questions to Mario.
Well, first off I sort of gut scum him due to his first couple of posts. Obviously that's not super accurate but from what I've played with him he's pretty free flowing and active and he seemed to get too serious too quickly for me. I mean, yeah, in general that's equal equity to both scum and town but it just seemed unusual for him.
Then he sort of says 2mil is scum. The thing is, 2mil is lynchbait as town which dosen;t exactly MAKE him town but honestly when I had read him I read it as town through meta, which yeah Mario woulden't have known but still. Mario pushing him for it (however jokingly) COULD come from town that dosen't really know 2million but could ALSO come from scum who want an easy target. So, yeah, something to keep in mind that ringed my alarm bells. I also sort of townread him with his brutally honest way of role fishing of me, which I'm like 99% sure that newb scum are worried about being accused of and is really inquisitive town. So EVEN if Mario is saying his dayvig comment in
39 is a joke (which dosen't exactly seem like a joke to me?), it's still weird.
Honestly
83 from Mario is pretty horrible too. He basically is subtly saying "when I'm town I am lynchbait." The thing is, town are much more likely in my experience to just say it openly, yeah I get lynched a lot as town. Even then, they get accused, which is why scum sorta want to try and avoid it. But Mario's comment there has the EFFECT of saying he is lynchbait without the acceptance of the consequences of scummyness he would get if he said it openly. So yeah, a pretty generally scummy thing there.
He also starts out with 2 townreads which one of them I can easily see (creature), who already is getting involved and seems towny at least by gut, but then ignition. Ignition for me maybe I'm having a different reflection cause I've played with him on mafia universe, had an uncharacteristically weak opening by just asking "why is Mario being wagoned?". Not only is this weird for him (which I can't fault Mario for) but it's a super super super typical newb scum opening, so from mario PoV I cannot for the life of me how he sees this as town or newbtown even. Like, if your scum and a town is being wagoned just asking why he's being wagoned is a way for you to get "towncred" without taking heat. Mario's an experienced player, he should pick up on this.
On the other hand, I do find it a little bit TOO scummy to be scum to openly townread those that are townreading you, but that's only a small plus in Mario's direction.
Let's go through
90. I want to know why he townreads Ignition who was actually the second scummiest imo in the thread so far to Mario. He says to
why
he is town, says 2 things: 1) He's being inquisitive, which is a surface level reasoning that COULD come from town!Mario but again I'm outlining in the stuff before why it's sort of weird for him to say that, and then 2) "less likely to be scum than most other things in the thread"
Now, at this point I'm wondering, what exactly are the things "other" in the thread that are so scummy that they make ignition look towny on comparison?
Mario then uses circular logic, which again isn't neccecarily scummy but just something weird, where he basically goes on a loop of saying that other things were scummy BEACUSE ignition's post is towny...as some way of expaining that ignition's post is towny in the first place. See the problem here?
Another thing: He is super confident I'm scum this game, (
92) based on
88 by him. Now, I am actually townreading the fact he picked up on it, because imo saying you mindmeld or anti mindmeld is something town and scum do, but it's definitely not something ONLY scum do. And I'll be a little LAMIST here and say that it IS something town do because I'm town
That's why the level of confidence he's expressing in his scumread of me is weird. He's super sure, and he's voting me, based on one post that I actually think makes sense? If I disagree with his first gut reactions, less likely we are on the same team. To put it simply.
Here's the thing. Even after all these things, I'm not sure Mario is scum. I can see bewildered town who just wanted to get into things early, thinks I'm scum for pushing bullshit on him (which, to be fair, if he really is town he could think I'm scum trying to make a fancy case), and honestly in my experience it's a common mistake for town to have to townread those that question his wagon. (More specifically, I think it's a town POV to townread those that question your wagon because you know the wagon is bad because your town). But shoulden't Mario at least see where I am coming from here? It's super hard but I consider him a good quality player that might be able to avoid confirmation bias, especially cause he just finished a game where he TvT attacked someone until the end. Shoulden't he realize that I have a towny mindset right now?
I'm hoping this big posts clears it up, basically. So my thoughts are clear.
This whole post is fake af:
Like, if your scum and a town is being wagoned just asking why he's being wagoned is a way for you to get "towncred" without taking heat. Mario's an experienced player, he should pick up on this. On the other hand, I do find it a little bit TOO scummy to be scum to openly townread those that are townreading you, but that's only a small plus in Mario's direction.
So EVEN if Mario is saying his dayvig comment in
39 is a joke (which dosen't exactly seem like a joke to me?), it's still weird.
It's super hard but I consider him a good quality player that might be able to avoid confirmation bias, especially cause he just finished a game where he TvT attacked someone until the end. Shoulden't he realize that I have a towny mindset right now?
It doesn't read like scumhunting, it reads like "gosh Mario if you just do what I expect you to you'd be so much more town" and the whole post is hedged in the opener
Well, first off I sort of gut scum him due to his first couple of posts.
And the closer
Here's the thing. Even after all these things, I'm not sure Mario is scum.
It's a lot of noise and a lot of what looks like the current average MafiaScum player to be "GOOD POSTING" but it's saying fuck all and it's more commitment-phobic than I was at university
In post 135, Mulch wrote:VOTE: Yumeko
I'm not putting the most effort I've ever put into a town game and getting tunneled like this when half the things you are telling me is that you disagree rather than it's scummy.
Unless you unvote, I am vote parking this for the entire game.
Ironically, Yabba-dabba-doo has done more actual scum-hunting at this point than anyone else in the game just by virtue of actually asking questions that require more thought than scratching one's arse, but hey, this is MS 2017 so naturally that later becomes a wagon on Youre-a-baka
This begins the biggest event of the year Mulch Flails Done Quick
In post 153, Mulch wrote:VOTE: Flavor Leaf
They are actually super long this game but yeah I'll shut up
In post 274, Mulch wrote:VOTE: mario
Your basing a scumread over a fact i didn't tell you on one of my first games on the site?
In post 398, Mulch wrote:
I'll townread you anyway, mason partner!
VOTE: IgnitionUSC
In post 956, Mulch wrote:I'll instant lynch Mario if he claims vt, he's a power role or scum
Until he settles on Excession because never mind all those other people he was voting, this guy with 2 posts is clearly THE ONE
Except if he isn't
In post 688, Mulch wrote:
Well I could bullshit some reason like his tone was off and he pushed on a weird thing and didn't take entire gamestate into account and he used doubtcast language and he is being selective in what he thinks and he has incosistencies and isn't going with the thread vibe...
OR I could tell you the real reason, gut.
In post 927, Mulch wrote:
No I'm not, so your either wrong town or scum
I wish people would try to stop reading me. Lots of heroes nowadays who want to give me my first scum loss without realizing that your not gonna catch me if I'm actually scum
In post 953, Mulch wrote: In post 932, TwoInAMillion wrote:You wish people would try and stop reading you? This is a mafia game, everyone gets read.
My town read on you has evaporated, you haven't been playing like your used to. Are you scum?
There is literally no reason for town on D1 to take this kind of hyper-aggressive "with me or against me" line, and Mulch changes his opinion of TIAM completely on a dime right fucking here when he starts questioning Mulch's BS "lol don't read me u bads" shit
Presumably the same way you've spent most of the day demanding everyone sheep you and pointing fingers at anyone who questions you: with a giant pair of brass balls. To have the guts to complain about being called on your complete lack of case against Excession... by saying there's no way anyone could have a case on Excession, then continuing to push for an Excession lynch... it's truly impressive. Also scummy as fuck.
In post 1209, Mulch wrote:I have this inexplicable soulread that resonates in my bones that says they are scum
I have a meta read! Wait, no I don't, I have totally read this wallpost (but Mulch doesn't read wallposts, remember?) and I have... nope, still just a gut read, but I'm expanding on it to make it sound more!
In post 1216, Mulch wrote:Lmaaaaaaooooo if I was scum you think I would be MISGUIDED. Please
The whole day is full of these little snarky comments about how if Mulch were scum they'd be so perfect and nobody will ever catch them. Methinks sir doth protest too much, TBH
In post 1315, Mulch wrote:Guys do you trust me? Town mulch usually has very very very good reads.
Just constant "trust me u guise trust me"
In post 1226, Mulch wrote:If we lynch Excession and they flip town I will restrict myself to 100 posts day 2, also will sheep a player
"oh sheep me pls I will sheep back honest" spoilers, this won't happen even if you give Mulch what they want because they're scum and they're going to keep shitposting and REEEE UR SCUM TRUST MY GUT OR ELSE-ing until everyone caves with 250 pages at the end of D2 and submits out of sheer boredom (at which point Mulch presumably starts crowing about what a great Mafia player they are in the same way a guy who can pull the trigger on a heavy machine gun will brag that eventually a bullet ricocheted and hit the target)
I could honestly go on and on about how Mulch continues to just yell about how everyone should sheep them but tbh I'm tired and want to go watch a movie before bed so I'm just gonna drop this fat deuce here and say Mulch is dissembling, over-confident scum who has bounced back and forth on about 8 different targets they have either voted for or shown support for a lynch of, has made a bunch of posts that make zero sense coming from a town mindset, and is a way better lynch than any of this compromise bullshit
I get that everyone is fucking tired after a 100 page D1. Everyone just wants to pull the trigger, lynch
something
and get it over with. Mulch is the one who's responsible for this by spamming and refusing to consider they might be wrong about *anything* unless they change their mind - which they have done, on a dime, multiple times.
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VOTE: Mulch
PEdit: or you could all jump off a cliff following him, I guess
