Mini 1942 - Switchboard 2 [Game Over]

[Chickadee]

Fitz, you've expressed yourself very clearly. It's just not going to happen today. I think Inno has the right idea. Push people that are scummy, and wait to see if there are counterclaims.

[Radical Rat]

Staaaaaagnation.

Glorified prod dodge I guess, but.
I feel the same right now as I did last post I made.

[havingfitz]

From page 8.

@Mjoll.... my reads were given in my up to pafe 8 catch up and will be updated at the end of this post.

9:

@ IAI...my oversight. Correct...D1 town has 25% chance of hitting scum (3 out of 12). Still not as good as 50% with any PR claim counter claim combos we would surely get. Not sure whet you mean by "the math works out to 3 outta 7" though. Can you explain?

10:

Releao feeling town.

Feeling Aubrey is town.

@mozamis... I'm leaning town at this point on IAI and Mjoll. TBD on Fish.

11.

@Nosferatu...it's not "setup spec." The set up is a given. The "spec" is on the best way of approaching the open set up.

But that said...page 11 kind of gives me a slight town lean towards Nosferatu.

12:

@Aubrey...this comment was made when I was envisioning a mass claim without considering counter claims being the right play for scum. A single counterclaim (or more likely two CCs) would result in a mass claim being full and open vs generic "I'm a PR."

13:

This Nosferatu post has me leaning more town towards him and is making me sus Allo.

14:

<crickets>
Oh...and mozamis got a little ATE-ish IMO.

15:

Chickadee counting my posts is annoying. Postcount is NAI so why bring it up?

16:

skimskimskim
Fish is playing. Read tbd.

17:

zzzzzzzzz

18:

Me and the dead horse thing. Limited reception.

Caught up.

FYI...I usually am not active on weekends and this past weekend I was backpacking in the woods for 3+ days making me even less available. And now we are on the brink of a holiday weekend soooo. I should be actively posting until Friday afternoon.

Off the top of my head without looking at what I have said in my catch ups here is where my head's at:

Town: Me of course.
Leaning town: Aubrey, IAI, MJoll, Keychain
Slightly less leaning but still leaning town: Nosferatu, Realeo, Raya, Radical Rat
???: Formerfish
Suspects: Allomancer, mozamis, Chickadee

That's my gut talking as I look over the player list and reflect on the 18 pages I just finished reading.

Enough of the claim stuff for today I guess. I'm going to ISO my suspects probably tomorrow morning and put a vote down. Kind of leaning Allomancer but like someone said...I want to make sure it's not lurker bias or the draw of lynch bait making me want to do it.

[Chickadee]

So, you are your only solid town read?

Counting your posts was not my goal. When I mentioned that it's because people were town reading you and I went back to double check why. The quantity is not so much the reason you're not in my town pile. It's just kind of a fact. The reason you're not in my town pile is because in those limited posts, there's nothing for me to town read you for.

[Formerfish]

Hey guys, I've requested replacement. I'm sorry to everyone for this, but I feel like I am having a mental breakdown due to real life issues and trying to keep up and think critically is becoming increasingly difficult.

I don't know if I'll be on site for awhile and this town deserves better than what I can provide right now.

Again, I'm sorry.

[havingfitz]

So, you are your only solid town read?

If I didn't have myself listed I wouldn't have a line for Town. And halfway through D1 is not typically going to find me with a lot of "solid town reads."


p.edit...that sucks Fish. Good luck.

[Radical Rat]

Hey guys, I've requested replacement. I'm sorry to everyone for this, but I feel like I am having a mental breakdown due to real life issues and trying to keep up and think critically is becoming increasingly difficult.

I don't know if I'll be on site for awhile and this town deserves better than what I can provide right now.

Again, I'm sorry.

I've been in similar situations, don't worry about us and take care of yourself.
Hopefully you can come back when things are better!

[Realeo]

VOTE: Allomancer

[Realeo]

I'm not sure whether should I vote moz instead of Allo. I know I'm skipping Nos today.

[Aubrey]

The only thing that has me indecisive about scumreading Allo was him forgetting scum having day talk during his supposed catch-up shortly after my blunder, but I can't tell if that was an orchestrated move or not.

[Aubrey]

My heart says it wasn't, but my head differs. I think his lack of play is really assisting my distrust.

[Realeo]

@Raya

Do you agree with me that there is a maximum of 1 scum in {Chickadee,Nosferatue,Moz,Mjoll}?

[Keychain]

VOTE: Allomancer

Why is this? I just went through your ISO and I don't think you mentioned them a single time.

But regarding Fitz's last post, I can say there is something you are not considering that I don't feel comfortable bringing to the attention of the mafia team that you are overlooking. I'll be happy to share it post game, but I don't want to tell scum their optimal play.

Ughhhh. This sounds incredibly calculated and trying to please after the whole thing about whether it's anti-town or not to publicly state the flaws in a plan.
Plus I'm very aware that if you don't say what the problem you've identified is, it's too easy for scum to look at a protown strategy and be like "oh no we can't do that for unspecified reasons", and veto the plan with no explanation given whatsoever.

Realeo sounded genuine when he pointed out the flaws in whatever claiming strategy was being discussed at the time. This sounds much more artificial.

[Realeo]

@Keychain

I kinda don't really have scumlean, so my lynch is more to who I don't townread the least.

moz gave me a pause. I find Chick may raise a good concern about moz read progression, but others issue seem nice. It seems rational for mos to relegate me from 'town' to 'prob town'. His IaI read seems fine.

Allomancer is a little bit special. I literally null him, but the reason why he get my love is

1. I can still can make stretched reason for why <INSERT NAME HERE> is town. I can't really stretch a reason why Allo is town.
2. There are more than 1 person that I can't stretch a reason, but I can give everyone but allo the benefit of activity doubt.

My heart like want to vote moz, but it's not like moz need pressure to talk.

[Radical Rat]

Follow your heart, Realeo

[Raya36]

Back from V/LA. Will finish catching up and post tonight after work.

[Chickadee]

Reading back through the Moza stuff, I don't think he's our best lynch today. The reads are still sketchy af, but I think Moza is just a wishy washy player. I don't get the sense that he's looking at anything too critically, but that could just be bad town.

UNVOTE:


Aubrey, rat, key, inno, nos town (to varying degrees)

Undecided on Moz, but not lynching today
Also in ^ pile Realeo

That means my lynch pool is in
FF's replacement
Raya
Fitz
Mjol
Allo

I'm gonna look through those 5 ISO's today. We need to start narrowing this down.

Maybe if we all post our lynch pools we can start to sort together.

[Realeo]

My lynch pool is Chickadee's lynch pool but replace mjol with inno and add moz.

[Nosferatu]

moz and allo are my preferred lynches for today, I'm fine comprimising, but I'd real rather not.

[Nosferatu]

really

[kunkstar7]

:: VoteCount 1x6 ::

Allomancer (3) -

Keychain, Mjollnir, Realeo

mozamis (2) -

Nosferatu, Radical Rat

Nosferatu (2) -

Aubrey, Allomancer

Chickadee (1) -

I Am Innocent

havingfitz (1) -

Formerfish

Formerfish (1) -

mozamis

Not Voting (3) -

havingfitz, Raya36, Chickadee

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is in (expired on 2017-09-06 19:36:38).

[Mjollnir]

The more I think about it, the more I feel Mozamis may be town. I feel looking at his posts that his claim that she is applying the principle he says he is looks truthful. I see what Aubrey is saying about tying a hand behind his back, I mean he does not have to give the comprehensive level and continual update of reads that he is giving. The original reasoning I gave for suspecting him was it looked odd he was scumreading and townreading the players he was and the reasoning behind it, but I suppose that was fairly circumstancial and the method he is applying adequetly explains the initial weak reasoning, as does the gradual eroding of that townlist he built up early on. I see no other reason to suspect him and he is contributing well. I am not willing to lynch him today barring any further develoments from him.

Allomancer I'm thinking about, on one hand he's stopped posting so he may well simply be unmotivated town. But there is a reasonable amount of evidence about him that I makes me not like him. I have already pointed at his vote on Nosferatu appearing to be an opportunistic vote on an easy target (for reasons also taken from Aubrey too). But his other posts are simply a graveyard of unoriginal thoughts (230, 234, 373) and very little else. His vote on Realeo was, on reflection, somewhat odd; the language was a little off for me on this post, it may sound like gut reasoning but he sounds like he is tripping over himself to explain his reasoning there, it seems over-explained.

Furthermore to the above, he is clearly borrowing thoughts and ideas from other players as demonstrated above, so therefore he must be somewhat keeping up with the game. And yet he is coming up with no original ideas, nor is he scumhunting either. That lack of curiosity is worrying to me. I like the odds right now on him being scum. However I want to read the last 10 or so pages of this game again to ensure I am not missing anything because at this point I feel I should have more than one good scumread and that is worrying me too. Unfortunately I am a little busy tonight so this will have to be tomorrow night.

[Chickadee]

my lynch pool is in
Fitz
Mjol
Allo

Still need more from Raya, but what's there looks town.
Waiting on a replacement for FF. Would rather not lynch an empty slot, especially when there isn't much to go on for that slot to begin with.


I think ultimately for me today, it comes down to Mjol or Allo, and the majority of people seems to be for Allo. They haven't done much to sway me toward town.
VOTE: Allomancer

[mozamis]

Guy has the air of noob scum to me.
Worse case he isn't going to contribute much as town.
Happy with lynching him today.

VOTE ALLOMANCER

[mozamis]

IAI's p445 is bad. No reads, just set up spec. And even then it is "i cant talk about set up spec".
This is one of the strongest mafia players i have ever played with.
It's miles away from being good enough.
If we dont lynch Allo, we could do a lot worse than IAI.