Open 697: Tit for Tat GAME OVER SCUM WINS!

[Srceenplay]

Under my radar

[Mulch]

Who do you scumread

[Srceenplay]

Skimmed ISO town lean. Nothing scumish to me.

[Srceenplay]

Skimmed ISO town lean. Nothing scumish to me.

Sorry. That's blue ISO

[Srceenplay]

I'm having second thoughts on kunk.
Still think wave is scum.
Going to give twyn some thought later since his name keeps popping up.

[Mulch]

159 seems so reachy, you disagree?

[Srceenplay]

A little iffy on you. It feels like you are trying to control the flow of the game. Not sure if I like it.

[Mulch]

It feels like you are trying to control the flow of the game.

Indeed I am. Am I doing a good job?

[Srceenplay]

Not Fire sure on the context.
I k saw they wanted to put a pressure vote on them.
Then it progressed to the post.
I'll have to reread context later.

That part they talk about comm is were I start to Town read comm.

[Srceenplay]

It feels like you are trying to control the flow of the game.

Indeed I am. Am I doing a good job?

You being self aware doesn't sit to well either.

[Mulch]

It feels like you are trying to control the flow of the game.

Indeed I am. Am I doing a good job?

You being self aware doesn't sit to well either.

Why?

[Raya36]

Town

kunkstar7

Spoiler: kunkstar7

I actually really like the reaction test on me at the start of the game. You could it honestly was a reaction since he kept pushing it and when it was evident that I was ignoring it altogether he still analyzed what the reaction was. It had a lot of potential for different reactions and it showed someone wanting to get the game rolling right off the start which seems quite town to me. I'm agreeing with a lot of his posts or at the very least understanding the reasoning which is probably a good sign. Town

Mulch (Assemblerotws)

Spoiler: Mulch

I like the Kunk read which matched up to mine. I'm having a hard time understanding the Sesq read. Our Srceenplay reads match up. Agree with CommKnight read. Agree with Tywin. A few others that don't match up with my reads but I can follow the reasoning. I like 183. Just the fact alone that you're able to back your reads up like that shows that you honestly believe in them and they probably aren't just crap made up by scum. Reading through his iso this seems to be pretty consistent. I'm liking his analyses and he seems genuine. The only possibility I'm really worried about is that he could be scum trying to take on a leadership role. Town read.

Kop

Spoiler: Kop

He seems like confused town to me. The confusion at the beginning seems genuine to me and I see no scum motivation behind his posts to suggest otherwise. I like his wagon analysis and it reads to me as town genuinely scumhunting. Town read.

guyy

Spoiler: guyy

I like his reasoning and analysis that he has posted. It seems to come from town genuinely looking for scum. He has been very active and posting lots of long posts which could come from scum but in a slower game like this I find it more likely for scum to try to slip more under the radar. He has also been very open about his reads which I don't see coming from scum in a slow game where it would be much easier to give minimal reads and keep them open for later on in the game. Town read.

Town Lean

Srceenplay (Keyenpeydee)

Spoiler: Srceenplay

I didn't like the sheep vote without even checking on what the slip was or questioning it. That said it seems a like he would be putting himself out there a bit too much to be scum. I would think scum would want to appear more towny and not do things they know they'll get called out for. I'm liking his posts for the most part and he seems to be scumhunting. Town lean.

SmoothBlue

Spoiler: SmoothBlue

I'm feeling pretty okay about this slot. Not a lot of good content but it seems okay. One thing that caught my attention was that 106 seemed a little like he was trying to divert attention off of him by claiming to actually be the first on the wagon since my vote was rvs and that he didn't jump on a wagon. He's not wrong it just seems like he doesn't want to be part of any wagon analysis or like he's trying to point out why it doesn't make sense for him to be scum on the wagon. Why else make that post? I might be nitpicking a bit here though. Anyone want to back this idea up or let me know if I'm nitpicking? Very slight town lean considering scum.

Null

Sesq

Spoiler: Sesq

Having a hard time reading her. She seems almost detached from the game in a way. She has been posting short bits in responce but I'm seeing very little scumhunting and the whole lack of information playstyle is really not helping me get a read. I honestly don't know what to think. This could simply just be her playstyle or it could be scum attempting to hide in the shadows but still appear to be active and playing. Idk.. null.

Flubbernugget

Spoiler: Flubbernugget

I'm for some reason having trouble reading this slot as well. I'm probably just not that good at reading people who post a lot of small short posts. I mean, they make sense for the most part and it seems like you're hunting and analyzing but I could just as easily see it as scum withholding information, posting minimal thoughts but still being active and posting. Null

Scum Lean

wavemode

Spoiler: wavemode

I'm seeing quite a bit of fluff in his iso. I don't agree with his 55. He says that Tywin's post 29 seems like he was reaching for something to say although honestly 55 looks more like that to me. He complains a bit about people not posting and the game being dead although he doesn't seem to be doing much about it. The tone coming from his posts seems a little too chill and like he doesn't really care a whole lot. Not necessarily scum indicative but enough to put him at a scum lean for me.

TywinL

Spoiler: TywinL

His posts seem very surface level and a lot of it seems like it had already been said by other players before. I'm not seeing any attempt to read people. Leaning scum

Scum

CommKnight

Spoiler: CommKnight

I'm really not buying this whole reaction test thing. I mean, he's all fluff than out of no where says that Guyy slipped then suddenly claims it was just a reaction test THEN in his analysis he mentions the slip as if it really happened again which basically eliminates the whole reaction test claim. After that he starts talking about set up basically out of no where and despite many people asking we still don't know anything about the "slip". Also as I posted earlier I'm not really liking his wagon (or off of wagon?) analysis. It's not a bad thought it's just flawed and I could see it coming from scum wanting a couple easy mislynches. Scum here.

[Srceenplay]

It seems like you are to comfortable.
I remember you not being in control or know what's going on. Taking shots pushing buttons.
Not doing that here.

[Mulch]

It seems like you are to comfortable.
I remember you not being in control or know what's going on. Taking shots pushing buttons.
Not doing that here.

Ha. I'm actually really glad you said this because it means that my new playstyle is working. I've been trying new and new things every time and I'm hoping to hit on one that means that I'm not scumread as town anymore like I always am. I wanna be open and consistent and cooperable, and I want to show confidence but not tunnel. I sort of like the meta read here though because if you didn't know that I was changing my playstyle it would be natural to think something was different.

However, if you want I can also show you scum games where I am the same way

[Srceenplay]

I don't read other games.
I'm just watching you from the corner of my eye.

[Mulch]

@Raya

can you go into more detail about your Kop and SmoothBlue reads?

[guyy]

mulch you have said "wolves" or some variant 13 times

like i almost had to go reread the setup to make sure i wasn't just stupid

[Mulch]

mulch you have said "wolves" or some variant 13 times

like i almost had to go reread the setup to make sure i wasn't just stupid

It's interesting really, there are different terminologies for each site.


ToS (horrible site, technically my home site, never go there): Mafia, Town
Mafia universe: Wolves, Villagers
Mafiascum: Town, Scum

[guyy]

raya are you willing to vote tywin with me

[guyy]

where i come from it's always wolves too

just pinged in my head

[Raya36]

54 is bothersome. He says he agrees with the post before but dosen't back it up with a vote and instead leaves his vote on the rvs vote from very early.

Mostly I was agreeing with what he was saying about Wave but on a more general level to everyone who was posting short useless posts. So I was referring mostly to Wave, Flubber, Smooth and Srceen so I didn't have one person I wanted to vote for at the time. One top of this I'm still not 100% adjusted to the site meta here where voting is a lot more frequent than the site I was on before. On the site from before votes were basically final decisions and stood for a lot more than what they do here and vote changes are uncommon so I'm still not quite used to not having to be 100% sure on my votes. I'm trying to work on this though. (You can probably meta me on this if you wanted to. I don't have a lot of completed games yet but I'm positive this has come up before.)

86 is just something so obvious to point out, again I can see from a village PoV but is something wolves can easily push as well.

I saw that Guyy's wagon was building up so I unvoted. It was a bit of a rushed post since I didn't have a lot of time but I wanted to get my vote off and move it to srceen to out some pressure on him for the completely blind sheep.

I wouldn't exactly be angry actually. You can't always be townread and I would actually be more worried if everyone town read me than if someone scum read me.

This feels disingenous to me. I don't think I've ever felt more worried when everyone townread me; it usually means I'm being nightkilled and I'm doing my job. And I am always upset with lot's of scumreads. This reads to me as something that Raya may think town think but isn't really what town think.

I suppose I would be worried that scum were trying to buddy or maybe instinctively worried about being nightkilled although I guess you're right about the doing your job part. Also I would be worried about lots of scumreads but just one or two are alright with me. I find sometimes a scumread or two helps me engage a little more since it makes me feel as though I have something to prove and probably in the end helps others read me too.

[Raya36]

@Raya

can you go into more detail about your Kop and SmoothBlue reads?

Sure. Can it wait until tomorrow night though? It's getting late and I have work tomorrow.

raya are you willing to vote tywin with me

I can do that.
VOTE: Tywin

[Srceenplay]

@raya36
That's a contradiction, is it not?

You said where you come from votes are more serious and permanent.
You are not used to moving votes around.
Yet it is natural to remove the vote just because someone is getting voted up?

[guyy]

i asked because she said she was town reading me and leaning scum on tywin

seems pretty reasonable

you wanna join screenplay?

[guyy]

be a cool kid