2017 NFL Football

[PJ.]

I'm citing his completion % index, his QBR, his ANY/A, Sack %. Stats that actually matter. The dude has regressed in every stat that matters and is below average in just about everything.

Reliable sites only please. I've never heard of your boy's site before today, it could be the breitbart of sports, for all I know. Use a real website. If you have something from a site that anyone has ever seen before, I'll be happy to look.

[T-Bone]

He's an NFL Analyst. He's not just some guy. He writes for Football Outsiders, ESPN, etc. I respect that as an independent writer he isn't well known, but those in the world of sports journalism trusts him. I believe Football Outsiders is where he sources his material.

I listen to ESPN radio all day, so I take for granted how well known some people are.

[drealmerz7]

ohdear, I knew the Eagles had gotten rid of Matthews at WR and I was wondering what their WR spread was going to look like...I just looked at the roster

wtf are these WRs and are any of them any good? I've seen a bit of Agholor and know Torrey Smith is decent, but, who are these other guys and is there a hope in hell for this offense with this setup? What happened to Green-Beckham?

[T-Bone]

Actually, the Eagles have Alshon Jeffery, who, if healthy, is a very good WR, and probably good enough to be a clear WR1.

[Kmd4390]

I don't begrudge that Kaepernick really cares about social justice, but to me he only really took on the social justice mantle after his career took a down turn. He didn't seem to care about it during the Super Bowl against the Ravens. Also, I don't begrudge NFL franchises that don't want negative publicity on their club, and would rather their team be football focused than social justice focused.

Right. Most people forget about his "dead arm" injury and his benching for Blaine Gabbert (now Arizona's #3 QB).

[pickemgenius]

1. how the fuck do you measure RECEIVER error? (like for real)
2. Joe Flacco sucks and I dont think I needed to read an article that says Joe Flacco sucks. It's been pretty apparent for awhile. Not to the Ravens mind you, but yeah. They have to deal with that the next few years. Good on Flacco for getting paid while he can.


I'm largely in camp Kaep should've gotten a shot somewhere this preseason, but to say hes shown the ability to get BETTER? Idunno. That's some serious kool aid being offered.

I was pretty scared he'd catch on at Denver and be better than their options, which I do think he is but cest la vie. I'm not sure if he just isnt open to taking small/short term prove it contracts or what, but if he isnt then he should be, cause thats the only option hes got.

[PJ.]

I honestly thought he'd be Seattle's back up, but the money seems just way too high.

[Nero Cain]

Kaep is horrible. Someone pointed out how he wants way too much $$$ to be a backup somewhere. Yes, negative publicity and all but whats really keeping him from a job is he wants too much and if the racist police want to ignore that and claim he's not being signed b/c of race or politics or w/e then more power to them but its wrong.

RE: Elliot. The NFL doesn't want any negative criticism so they are trying to not pull a Ray Rice and suspend the guy before the video comes out.

[T-Bone]

I didn't realize metrics would be so controversial. I'll never cite them again. Sheesh.

[PJ.]

Please refrain from posting fictional stats.

[T-Bone]

Silly me. You see, I figure people who appear on ESPN would have been called out by now had they been pulling metrics out of thin air. Silly me for doing a thing like trusting major sports journalism!

I should have been looking at YARDS the entire time! The end all be all of statistics!

Silly me for trusting experts and sports journalists...I should just be listening to my friends at forum.mafiascum.net exclusively! They post major stats like YARDS!

[T-Bone]

Anyway, let's talk about how Kirk Cousins is the #3 QB in the league after last year.

I'm not a fan of the NFC East, but I guess I am most okay with the Skins succeeding out of that division.

[PJ.]

I never once used yards as a metric. Nice try though.

[drealmerz7]

can someone fill me in on what happened to Robert Griffin III?

could he not stay healthy?

did he just end up sucking?

did his daddy make him quit?

[pickemgenius]

I actually just wanted to know how receiver error was defined. Very legitimately. If I read something about receiver error, I would like to know how receiver error is defined and "scored" so to speak.

I'l pretty for new metrics and stuff if they make sense and are REALLY EASILY/clearly defined.

Like I understand drops are receiver error, but what else is there? How can you easily say anything else is receiver error than that? If its there then I'm all ears, as I could look for it in games this upcoming season.

[drealmerz7]

bad routes, interceptions can also be defined as QB or WR mistakes depending who is at fault I'd think

I think it'd mostly be drops though, which seems like a perfectly fine thing to use as a metric

[Nero Cain]

I'd assumed dropped passes. bad routes like dreal said.

RG3 couldn't stay healthy/defenses figured him out/he was never that good to begin with?

[pickemgenius]

you cant tangibly measure bad routes though.

what if it was the qbs fault?

how can you definitively pin something like that on a receiver?

if theres a receiver option route and receiver goes one way, qb throws the other way, whose fault is it?


You're not in the huddle so assigning blame for (supposed) bad routes to the receiver is illogical and silly. You dont know what play was called, you can't know what play was called.

So if thats part of the measurement of receiver error then blah. You can't definitively pin that on the wr.

[drealmerz7]

it's less about the play call and more about "was the receiver in a position where the QB should have reasonably connected with them?" - I think most of the time it is going to be pinned on the QB, but I do think there are times where it is not the QBs fault but the receiver's, and there's no reason that that can't be factored in

[drealmerz7]

NC, you a Titans fan or ?

[Nero Cain]

I like the Titans yes.

[Nero Cain]

It's even cooler considering that I was born in Houston where the Oilers were.

[drealmerz7]

I almost asked if you were a Titans or Oilers fan :þ

[pickemgenius]

it's less about the play call and more about "was the receiver in a position where the QB should have reasonably connected with them?" - I think most of the time it is going to be pinned on the QB, but I do think there are times where it is not the QBs fault but the receiver's, and there's no reason that that can't be factored in

you literally just listed why its a stat not worth looking at(in that form). YOU DONT KNOW. YOU CANT KNOW. AHH.

(of course I do believe the methodology is probably different and more tangible than this. so yeah. if theres something out there to define receiver error more concretely that would be excellent. )

[drealmerz7]

what's wrong with it being dropped balls and stumbled feets? why do you need more than 1 or 2 things?