Open 697: Tit for Tat GAME OVER SCUM WINS!

[SmoothBlue]

Guyy,
I have a few questions for you,

What changed about kunkstar enough for you to vote him in the five posts when he was a null read for you (post 161 to post 166)?
How serious was that vote and what was your intentions?

What changed between my town lean in #161 to my scum lean in #205?

EBWOP: Re-posting because I hate when people dont add links to their posts. Added links.

[guyy]

Spoiler: 166

I'm curious on your thought process to give me a town lean. You like my reads?

no i don't really care for your reads honestly

it's mostly the demeanor, the lack of hesitation to sheep, and the way other people feel about you

it doesn't add up to scum in my head. you fit much more easily as town as of right now

Ok. Trust my reads then.
ISO kunk just seems to me like a guy with to much information trying to make it fit.

that's fair

VOTE: kunkstar

do you think i'm off base about flubber?

sheep to support a wagon lead by a town read

[guyy]

for the other point about my change in read on you-

i honestly had to go back and look. i don't remember. you didn't really do anything between those two posts, either

i guess mulch's read influenced me

[WhemeStar]

Kop has been prodded

[Kop]

Kop, do you think guyy voting me as a threat after not soliciting any reactions from his voteless reads is something town does? Why do you think he is pansy footing around scum reading me? What kind of town doesn't stand their ground?

The vote from guyy on you is striking me as trying to appease. He has voted for you after you called him out on not voting for his scum reads (we had this discussion after he had voted), so that would tell me after the call out from you, he has voted for you in aim to look like he is actually doing what you have specifically said. However the one dislike I have about the vote, is the fact that he's voted for you, in more of an appeasement vote, but he's not interacted with you or backing his vote up. *

*up to post #137

[Kop]

There's no need for setup talk today. There is no gain for any role to discuss anything, furthermore there's nothing to discuss. Let the roles do what they need to do, this setup has been played enough times for a power role to go and look for examples of how to play their role, we don't need to tell them anything. Anyone wasting time on setup on D1 is just wasting words when they could focus on actual scumhunting.

i disagree with this, and i actually really like commknight's contributions

sure, the roles can do the research on their own, as we all could. but that does not in any way make setup talk useless or a waste of time

Well it is a waste of time up to that point, I don't understand what he was aiming to achieve. Everyone within there roles know what needs to be done. It gains nothing.

The entire thing takes away any discussions and diverts focus away from actual scum hunting.

I also don't like the idea of discussing where the roles should be used, it can easily be dictated and scum would have a good idea of where things are heading, they have enough information, giving them more, is going to give them a stronger hand on playing town. (I read this somewhere but can't remember who said it.)

wait kop why am i actively detrimental to town

Where did I say you were detrimental to town?

@mulch

i'm honestly not convinced i'm right about either flubber or commknight

i realize it's possible town!flubber is just misreading me in the same way it's possible i'm doing the same. i don't want to encourage a death tunnel because imo those are generally detrimental to town for a variety of reasons. i'd rather maintain the ability to interact with him in a constructive way regardless of his alignment because that is more conducive to better info for town

for commknight, i buy his explanation for now. i like the content and discussion he's created, even if no one else does. i can see this coming from either alignment though, so i'm fine with people scum reading him atm. what ultimately pushes him closer into town territory for me is how much everyone else rejects what he says

You say you don't want to go into a death tunnel, and you want to maintain the ability to interact with him, to my knowledge and to where I am in the terms of catching up to page 10, I have seen very little in terms of interaction. This is where flubber called you out on, you aren't doing enough to give any justification to your reads. It feels like your basing it on what your reading and others, rather than you doing any meaningful interactions that gives you that read. I mean you have a scum lean on myself, but I've only seen one question towards me.

If I have a scum read or lean, I'd be interacting with that slot and pushing it rather than saying words and not even attempting to push into those reads. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, in terms of how your playing with your reads, but I'm not seeing anything at this stage that is telling me I'm wrong in how I'm assuming your gamestyle. What I'm feeling is that your reads are reading false and forced, now thinking about it in a different POV because from you being called out on it, nothings changed pages later.

@Raya and @Kop:

Besides the blind sheep on the guyy wagon is there any other reason why you are voting srceenplay?

My vote on screenplay is purely down to that, at that stage of the voting. I didn't like that vote and the way he went on, it is something I've seen from scum, and something I've done as scum before.

(I haven't fully read up I'm only up to page 10, will do the last pages later today as I only had a spare 30 minutes.)

[Lang Buddha]

Kop, what did you claim, man?

[TywinL]

i read tywin's post 2 times and i don't understand why he just switched his vote from srceenplay to smoothblue

like is it just me or is a bulk of the post talking about srceenplay being scummy as fuck and then the end is just like 'but yeah maybe not tho he's kinda scumhunting now' and suddenly he's confident about voting smoothblue

like i felt like it was at least trying to flow into a mulch vote

the way it's written feels like he picked the vote first and then tried to craft the post around it

Are you being dense on purpose?

[TywinL]

Also if it wasn't clear enough.

If srceen is scum, then Mulch is prob town.
If srceen is town, then Mulch is prob scum.

[TywinL]

Also I'm starting to get weary of guuy's inconsistent reads...

[Flubbernugget]

Lang, are you planning to read the thread to catch up?

I owe screen answers but not while I'm phone posting

[Mulch]

VOTE: tywin

[Kop]

Kop, what did you claim, man?

Where have I claimed?

[Lang Buddha]

@Lang Buddha: How do you feel about the claim from Kop and how do you think it reflects on wavemode considering the way wavemode ran him up hard?

I glanced through your ISO and was like either I'm stupid or this guy didn't claim shit, man. Good to see it's not the former, ya-ya!

Flubber, I really want to, man.

[Lang Buddha]

And it's not even like someone spammed up the thread, you know? it's a beautiful thread, and I really want tor read it at some point, hmm?

[Sesq]

sorry, not kop, guyy

[Lang Buddha]

You mean this, or what, man?

prospective scumteam is smoothblue/wave/

kop

[Mulch]

Therefore the quality and quantity of what he brought home has no relevance to the original statement.

Is this your way of saying you didn't care about the quality of his reads?

[wavemode]

Alright I'm back in this boys

I've got some theories, let me review the game and I'll post tonight

[guyy]

my bad kop!

it was actually kunkstar that said that

Null/Scum-leaning (willing to lynch any of these as they are actively detrimental to town):

sesq
Assemblerotws
guyy

[guyy]

no tywin i legitimately don't understand why you suddenly don't have the confidence to vote srceenplay when you already were and why your vote landed ultimately on smoothblue

[Lang Buddha]

Everyone else calls him screenplay, man. Why do you have to make us look bad, eh?

[SmoothBlue]

Therefore the quality and quantity of what he brought home has no relevance to the original statement.

Is this your way of saying you didn't care about the quality of his reads?

No.

I cared about the quality of his reads, but he did what I asked, therefore I unvoted him.
You are basing too much emphasis on the vote to have the meaning. The vote only applies the pressure.

[SmoothBlue]

VOTE: tywin

Why?

For someone trying to put their thoughts into actual words, this vote is pretty shit.

[Mulch]

VOTE: tywin

Why?

For someone trying to put their thoughts into actual words, this vote is pretty shit.

Have you read the fucking game?