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Post Post #475 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:54 am

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nobody up to now has said anything about stumbled feet?

I want ANY basis for what Receiver Error means. Something that needs to be 100% CLEARLY DEFINED.

This is the problem here.

If it's out there, then I want to see it. I love stats. Stats are great.



Also semi on topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fantasyfootbal ... least_875/

is a thread about the SAME DUDE using some more random various stats about QBs.

THE TOP COMMENT INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING:

It's an interesting stat but I'd be curious to know how he came about it.

This is the problem. It's a very simple problem.

We want to know what the fuck the stat MEANS. That's about it my dude.
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Post Post #476 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:01 pm

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I feel like you're kind of looking for what the definition of "is" is

when I'm watching a game I can often enough go "that incomplete pass was the fault of the receiver"

most of the time it is a dropped ball, sometimes it's stumbled feet or some other thing that clearly makes my brain go "oh, that was the fault of the receiver"

I don't know why it has to be more complicated than that
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Post Post #477 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:31 pm

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no.

i'm looking to see what the fuck someone means when they use something as vague as "receiver error". you know. a statistic I've never seen used before yesterday. something within a sport that could be a wide variety of things. I would like to know if thats actually measurable or not.

until I see what that dude means by it then nothing else actually matters.

If a receiver and db tangle legs is that receiver error?

drops are obviously receiver error....

but thats why theres already a stat for that.


It's called DROPS. They keep track of those.


If you use a stat and can't define it explicitly, then its an OPINION. Not a stat. In which case it's irrelevant. If it's based on very measurable and explicit metrics then I would consider it a valid method of evaluating quarterbacks. (and possibly as a byproduct receivers)

It's like BABIP in baseball.

Batters sometimes get unlucky. BABIP is usually a pretty fucking good way to determine batters luck.


if a receiver slips on a poorly managed field is that actually the fault of a receiver, or is it the fault of the groundskeepers?

I would be more inclined to say if the field is shit, it's probably not the receivers fault for falling down. humans slip. I would be inclined to chalk that up to bad luck more than an error. if there were a way in football to determine luck, that would be pretty cool.


idk.

I think if receiver error were a well defined stat then it would be a very good stat. I just wish to learn more about its methodology/meaning.

Since we're never going to get an answer about receiver error actually means in writing, then there's very little reason to keep talking about it.
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Post Post #478 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:40 pm

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are you saying if an element of the game can't be depicted in stats, it's not worth talking about?
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Post Post #479 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:04 pm

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No, he's saying the parameters of a stat need to be clearly defined or it's not a stat, it's fiction.
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Post Post #480 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:20 pm

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In post 479, PJ. wrote:No, he's saying the parameters of a stat need to be clearly defined or it's not a stat, it's fiction.
largely this, but mostly

"if you want me to understand stats, I need to know what the fuck youre actually talking about first."

after that the validity can be determined.


if there's nothing defining a stat then it doesnt mean anything to me.
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Post Post #481 (ISO) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:42 pm

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Here is a link for dropped passes by team:

If you are a quarterback and your team is in the bottom 25% of the dropped passes metric, then you might be able to make an argument that your poor stats are a result of your poor receivers. But it probably depends on the other receiver metrics as well.

https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stat ... tage/2016/
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Post Post #482 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:47 am

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uhh, the chargers are in LA? I thought it was the rams that were moving to LA?

*goes and looks at some things*

okay then...2 LA teams, and raiders are still in oakland...that's interesting
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Post Post #483 (ISO) » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:40 am

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Post Post #484 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:46 am

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Post Post #485 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:35 am

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Post Post #486 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:17 am

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That's disappointing.
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Post Post #487 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:29 am

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That is entirely believable because Ray Lewis is a totally trustworthy source who is totally secure with people mocking him and totally doesn't hold grudges.
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Post Post #488 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:35 am

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guess his GF doesn't want him playing football?
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Post Post #489 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:53 am

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His GF is an idiot for making that tweet. It was likely not the only reason Kap didn't go there

The Jags owner said they could consider Kap moving forward. Am I the only person that thinks Bortles is a descent QB? He is better than Henne.
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Post Post #490 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:00 am

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haha last year during the Eagles vs. Ravens game Daryl Johnston says something like "Osweiler was released from the Broncos, if John Elway doesn't want a QB, I wouldn't want him either / that should tell you something"
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Post Post #491 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:03 am

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Before season predictions

AFC


NE - 1
MIA
BUF
NYJ

PIT - 2
BAL
CLE
CIN

HOU - 4
TEN - 6
JAX
IND

OAK - 3
KC - 5
DEN
LAC

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NYG - 2
DAL - 5
WAS
PHI

GB - 1
DET
MIN
CHI

TB - 4
ATL - 6
CAR
NO

SEA - 3
ARI
SF
LAR

TEN < OAK
KC > HOU
DAL > TB
ATL < SEA

KC < NE
OAK > PIT
DAL > GB
SEA < NYG

OAK < NE
DAL < NYG

I want OAK and DAL to win but I feel this will happen instead

NE > NYG
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Post Post #492 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:05 am

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In post 490, drealmerz7 wrote:haha last year during the Eagles vs. Ravens game Daryl Johnston says something like "Osweiler was released from the Broncos, if John Elway doesn't want a QB, I wouldn't want him either / that should tell you something"
Oswieler being a Bronco again is funny but given Paxton's injury, its a good insurance move for them
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Post Post #493 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:38 pm

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NE and NYG have already played twice in the SB in the last 10 years, I doubt it will be them.

Also I don't see Brady getting a sixth ring. Too much competition.

My predicition is Seattle and Pittsburgh.
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Post Post #494 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:40 pm

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In post 493, TwoInAMillion wrote:NE and NYG have already played twice in the SB in the last 10 years, I doubt it will be them.
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Post Post #495 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:53 pm

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No two teams have played each other three times in 51 Super Bowls, you think it will start now?

Sorry Pittsburgh and Dallas have played each other 3 times, but in was in a 20 year time span, not a 10 year time span.
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Post Post #496 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:57 pm

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no but that has more to do with my thinking that both Seattle and Green Bay are better than NY.
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Post Post #497 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:15 pm

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I agree. Giants don't have the greatest defense. They have an offense capable of lighting it up for 2 or 3 games and making a run but not very likely imho.
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Post Post #498 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:31 pm

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I'm tired of Eli Manning's face, he's not allowed in the SB
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Post Post #499 (ISO) » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:12 pm

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So the Dolphins and Bucs are getting screwed into 16 consecutive games by this storm since (presumably) the Dolphins owner didn't want to lose out on the ticket revenue (especially with the fact that they're already going to London).

I do have one question though. Which are there more of this season: Pats wins, or Jets losses?
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