Mini 1932: Dedede Fusion Collab (FIN)

[Realeo]

What does reflexive mean?

[Realeo]

I mean, what is the reflexive condition?

[Bins]

i get a result on the first person who targets me

it makes a lot of sense that there are a lot of 1shot PRs now

[Realeo]

I'm terrible at balance and setup spec

If both night kill {drealmerz and morph} came from scum, then it's kinda balanced especially that the role are one shot.

But the question is, what the hell did the role scum rolled to commit double night kill?

[Realeo]

Wait. Serial Killer?

[Cephrir]

And I'm a delayed protective watcher who indeed visiting Bins. If my target is visited, my target survives.

I bought Bins claim so I thought "maybe scum would go to kill investigative instead of protective."

It's kinda funny how my protective role matches murderous role.

:/

[Cephrir]

yeah i was hoping to draw a nk


im a 1shot reflexive doc with a night 1 inno on ceph (sry bud gonna out that you can target ppl)

Well I was way off base but you're right

[Cephrir]

Realeo I'm guessing you didn't see anyone else?

[Cephrir]

Man if only I'd known just how craptacular my n1 action was.

[Bins]

i was v sad

[Realeo]

Realeo I'm guessing you didn't see anyone else?

Ofcourse. Why do you think I'm pissed off?

[Realeo]

Man if only I'd known just how craptacular my n1 action was.

You were roleblocked by Wisdom?

[Cephrir]

No

[Bins]

It seems like everyone was like fk it to massclaim order but uh

yeah can we just have everyone claim

[Realeo]

Claim! Claim! Claim! Claim!

[Cephrir]

I'm going last

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I'm just going to claim right out the gates.

1-shot delayed murderous tracker.

Cant use action before night 3
If my target doesn't visit anyone, I kill them.

I tracked Realeo to Bins this night.

This might explain why Im not buying Bins's claim.

There were two kills tonight - sk seems very unlikely since there's been 1 kill every other night. Cephrir, I'm assuming you shot at drealmerz? Hypothetical, don't answer that yet.

Chiatzu spoke way out of turn because they wanted to prove that they were a tracker - which they probably are, I think they're scum though and don't think they're murderous.

There's a serious logic gap in what Chiatzu is claiming right now - he allegadly tried to KILL realeo - his claimed role is tracker, realeo is claiming delayed WATCHER - the same person he just tried to shoot - yet he's also not believing bins claim?

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

Also, between bins, realeo, chiatzu, that's 3 investigative roles. Though they're all weakened in some way (realeo's claimed role is still really strong, actually)

I think Chiatzu is fakeclaiming or is using a fakeclaim and is just a scum tracker that spoke quickly to prove they're tracker

-Dunn

[VA-11 Hall-A]

We are VT

[Cephrir]

There's a serious logic gap in what Chiatzu is claiming right now - he allegadly tried to KILL realeo - his claimed role is tracker, realeo is claiming delayed WATCHER - the same person he just tried to shoot - yet he's also not believing bins claim?

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

I don't get it

[Realeo]

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

I think I know the answer but I think Chiao need to answer this.

I think Chiatzu is fakeclaiming or is using a fakeclaim and is just a scum tracker that spoke quickly to prove they're tracker

1. But would the fake claim be claim be a

murderous

tracker?
2. If he is being honest with his role but not his alignment, then are we arguing that scum has three night kills?

[Chiaotzu]

I'm just going to claim right out the gates.

1-shot delayed murderous tracker.

Cant use action before night 3
If my target doesn't visit anyone, I kill them.

I tracked Realeo to Bins this night.

This might explain why Im not buying Bins's claim.

There were two kills tonight - sk seems very unlikely since there's been 1 kill every other night. Cephrir, I'm assuming you shot at drealmerz? Hypothetical, don't answer that yet.

Chiatzu spoke way out of turn because they wanted to prove that they were a tracker - which they probably are, I think they're scum though and don't think they're murderous.

There's a serious logic gap in what Chiatzu is claiming right now - he allegadly tried to KILL realeo - his claimed role is tracker, realeo is claiming delayed WATCHER - the same person he just tried to shoot - yet he's also not believing bins claim?

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

Also, between bins, realeo, chiatzu, that's 3 investigative roles. Though they're all weakened in some way (realeo's claimed role is still really strong, actually)

I think Chiatzu is fakeclaiming or is using a fakeclaim and is just a scum tracker that spoke quickly to prove they're tracker

-Dunn

I do think Bins is a PR but a scum one. I was hoping Realeo was a goon so I would kill him.

I'm pretty sick of you tunneling me right now. Who else is scum?

[implosion]

I'm a VT.

I can buy any of these claims as town or scum. Which is not especially helpful. I can see va11's argument that chiao claimed quickly because he wanted to roleconfirm himself for towncred as a scum tracker. Although I'm not sure if va11 makes that argument as a bus. I could imagine him having the killing variant potentially and it just doesn't work if it's lylo, or something like that, just based on the nature of the setup. It's also possible the killing isn't actually part of it and some other shenanigans are going on. Realeo's claim I can also easily see as town or scum. Bins's presumably isn't scum as what she claimed but could be as some other reflexive role. I'm trying to look at this without bias from thinking chiao is scum and i think his claim is slightly townish? but not massively. I still think chiao is probably scum.

So all in all claims are not especially helpful. I guess it's sensible to not really put too much stock in claims this game just because the setup is intentionally "interesting roles" so there could easily be some additional hidden factor in play and balance is a tricky thing to reason about especially with no flipped scum. That said I somewhat doubt there's multiple scum in that pool just because the 1-shot roles all somewhat complement each other and I doubt the entire dynamic has that much scum. And I sort of doubt any of them are completely fakeclaiming since all of their claims would be somewhat impressive to pull out of nowhere. I guess that makes the most likely scumteam chiao/va11/GL, with bins/realeo possibly subbing in for chiao if my scumread on him is wrong. We'll see if GL claims yet another PR.

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

I think I know the answer but I think Chiao need to answer this.

I think Chiatzu is fakeclaiming or is using a fakeclaim and is just a scum tracker that spoke quickly to prove they're tracker

1. But would the fake claim be claim be a

murderous

tracker?
2. If he is being honest with his role but not his alignment, then are we arguing that scum has three night kills?

It could be a provided claim, or maybe they just made it up.
I'm not even saying that scum had two night kills, read again

[VA-11 Hall-A]

I do think Bins is a PR but a scum one. I was hoping Realeo was a goon so I would kill him.

You think they are both scum?

I'm pretty sick of you tunneling me right now. Who else is scum?

Probably implosion and one of realeo/guiltylion

There's a serious logic gap in what Chiatzu is claiming right now - he allegadly tried to KILL realeo - his claimed role is tracker, realeo is claiming delayed WATCHER - the same person he just tried to shoot - yet he's also not believing bins claim?

Why not target bins with your murderous tracker?

I don't get it

I don't get what you don't get

[Cephrir]

How is that a logic gap