Micro 738: Fountain of Tired Souls [Endgame]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave.

When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That's all you got from what's recently transpired Nahdia?

We'll see who's bad when I flip town and the game is loss.

[Nahdia]

That's all you got from what's recently transpired Nahdia?

We'll see who's bad when I flip town and the game is loss.

you're really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really

really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really

really really really really really

bad at this time game.

[Nahdia]

realtalk tho I've read up and yeah am pretty darn happy with my vote sitting on you.

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 2 . 41 Lil Uzi Vert - 2 ( osuka, Nahdia ) L- 3 JaeReed ------ 1 ( Lil Uzi Vert ) L- 4 Osuka -------- 1 ( Impoetic ) L- 4 MathBlade ---- 1 ( JaeReed ) L- 3 Garrybote ---- 1 ( Purple Nurple ) L- 4 Not Voting -- 3 ( Garrybote, Nahdia, Lil Uzi Vert, MathBlade ) With 8 alive, it takes 5 to Lynch # # # # # ############## | [ 0 3 0 % ] [/center][/b][/i]

FOS COUNT 2 . 41 Lil Uzi Vert - 2 ( Purple Nurple, MathBlade ) Garrybote ---- 1 ( Purple Nurple ) JaeReed ------ 1 ( MathBlade ) Not FoS'ing -- 6 ( Garrybote, Impoetic, Nahdia, Lil Uzi Vert, JaeReed, osuka ) Days Remaining Without Lynching 3

[Lil Uzi Vert]

realtalk tho I've read up and yeah am pretty darn happy with my vote sitting on you.

I'm confirmed ascetic. What's the case from you on me now?

[Nahdia]

I wasn't pushing on you for being ascetic after the initial time you brushed it off. Keep trying to reduce my posts to most defensible tangent though, it'll just make me more confident that you're a good vote.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

aaaaaaaaaaa sorry i've been so busy and just swept up with stuff. and this game HAS been good! i think so anyway.

honestly, I feel like LUV's attitude towards people thinking he's scum is unjustified. he seems like he's trying to put up a really strong front about how we're throwing or whatever but he's just a tracker, not some godly role. it feels fake to me.

wish we had stuff from Smocaine. If LUV were to flip town the next placed I'd look would be Impoetic and osuka, I guess? Kinda just gutting that, so take that with a pound of salt.

VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

L-1

This? This is shit.

No explanation as to why you find my attitude unjustified. Why were you even assuming I accused people of throwing because of my role rather than the fear of my scum reads getting away?

[Nahdia]

Cry more, Malvolio.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah you aren't town

[JaeReed]

Yeah I'm sorry mastina.
Overall I'm more confident in Nahdia!town and more confident in LUV!scum I think. The small assholeness he showed wasn't enough I think. Meh. Like the trollness isn't there. Back to my meta case + the rest.

VOTE: LUV

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave.

When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

[Purple Nurple]

I'll have you know I think this is not the greatest of ideas.
Just for the record.

You're literally letting a fucking guilty live.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.

[Purple Nurple]

Hell I want both of you (Jae and mastina) to take your read to the grave. When I flip town you both can never claim to read me again.

I refuse to accept responsibility for a lynch I am adamantly objecting to.

I'm ON said lynch.

But I'm on it for reasons I am VERY DISPLEASED ABOUT.

[JaeReed]

FUck it.

VOTE: gerryoat

gonna blind faith you here.

[JaeReed]

only because you played danganronpa for me all night

but yeah I get it I just don't think we'll get the votes tbh.

[JaeReed]

ftr I do have intent to hammer LUV if one more vote gets there before I wake.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Will you agree to be speed lynched tomorrow if I self-vote then?

[MathBlade]

@mastina

I think most of what you have posted is ridiculous

Scum may use factional and individual actions simultaneously.

Nowhere here does it refer to a kill.

2 v 7 is the classic nightless noflip well balanced mountainous VT/Goon only game. I find it unlikely Mafia have a kill.

[MathBlade]

WHY GERRYOAT SHOULD DIE

:

(and you're idiots to think otherwise)

FIRST POINT

: We have a guilty.

FACT. This game features a mafia nightkill, which triggers and resolves at the end of a day.
FACT. In spite of this game featuring a mafia nightkill which triggers and resolves at the end of a day, no kill happened at the end of day one.
FACT. Purple Nurple--that's us--claimed to have blocked gerryoat N1. We're on record saying our block can block the mafia's nightkill.
FACT. There are only three unclaimed slots in the game. One of them is Jill. Jill's powers are publicly known and thus cannot be the source of a failed nightkill. As a result, there are only two possible slots who could have anything responsible for a failed nightkill.
FACT. No slot other than ours has come forward with a statement indicating they believe it's possible they were the source of the failed death instead of us.

CONCLUSION: Seriously. Shut the fuck up about "but it's not a guilty because other roles could have caused a failure!". Other roles have been revealed, and shown to NOT have been possible as being the source of the failure. In short, if there were an outside source that'd have foiled the kill, by now they'd have claimed it and explained why they think our guilty isn't a guilty. No such thing has occurred nor will it because it doesn't exist.

Our guilty is a fucking guilty. Nobody has stepped forward with any claim otherwise, except for a hypothetical "well it's not me but it could be someone else". Who the fuck is said someone else, hmm? Hmm? Yeah. My point exactly.

SECOND POINT

: gerryoat's role is not proven to be a cop.

While we know gerryoat's role is an investigative, who's to say gerryoat isn't a public rolecop? Or for that matter. Who's to say that gerryoat's role is ungated? gerryoat could, for instance, be a JOAT with a public cop investigation as one of his powers and we'd be none the wiser if not for gerryoat claiming. So while this lie would be revealed the next day, it is something to keep in mind--gerryoat's word isn't gospel.

THIRD POINT

: gerryoat's role is of more utility to scum than town.

This is a point gerryoat ironically enough made himself. We have our roleblock. We have LUV's ascetic. We have JaeReed's Nexus. All of these significantly reduce the power potential of the public cop. They also allow for gerryoat's role to be revealed, and yet showing results which aren't useful. This, not including the significant chance of gerryoat targeting the nightkill regardless of his alignment. (See below for that.)

It's not a strong town role. But it IS a strong scum role, because it gives the scum a provable role which sounds really, really, really really town and gives an excuse for gerryoat to live longer. As in. Like literally EXACTLY THE FUCKING ARGUMENTS BEING MADE NOW: "Oh gerryoat is a cop let's let him live longer so he can give us more useful results!". That's reason for scum to have the role.

FOURTH POINT

: gerryoat's target is not guaranteed to survive.

Okay so maybe he's a public cop. Maybe he genuinely uses his power and his target is town and revealed as such. Only...WHOOPS LOL TARGET WAS THE NIGHTKILL. What then? You've got the information that gerryoat's role is real, which is only marginally more than what we've got. You gain nothing more from it. So holding out for an investigation which MIGHT NOT EVEN COME is just pointless.

FIFTH POINT

: gerryoat's not guaranteed to have his action succeed.

If the scum have any sort of redirection or roleblocking power (neither of which is infeasible for them to have), then LOL WHOOPS INVESTIGATION FAILED NOW WHAT. Now admittedly, it would be unusual for scum to cause a scum action to fail, but it is not that difficult to orchestrate especially depending on partners. (For instance, the easiest way for scum to orchestrate the cop failing is gerryoat to cop a scum ascetic LUV but I digress.)

SIXTH POINT

: Role != Alignment.

gerryoat's role is not guaranteed to be town. It simply isn't. "But why give the mafia a cop role?" is a thing only amateurs ask. This is a fucking role madness game run by a moderator who is on nearly-Varsoon levels of crazy. Role has NOTHING to do with alignment. Alisae is almost as strong of a proponent of this idea as I am, and this is easily researched and shown to be true. You can find it in Alisae's past games as a player and in Alisae's past modded games. Speaking of which, that brings me to my next point.

SEVENTH POINT

: Moderator meta.

Alisae has a PROVEN KNOWN TRACK RECORD of giving town-sounding roles to scum. Seriously. I can't emphasize this enough. JUST BECAUSE

YOU PERSONALLY

DON'T SEE THE POINT IN GIVING SCUM A TOWN-SOUNDING ROLE DOESN'T MEAN ALISAE WON'T. When you do setup speculation, you need to think how THE FUCKING MODERATOR thinks, not how YOU PERSONALLY think. And I've been exposed to Alisae's thoughts intimately on game design--as a reviewer, as a player, as eir moderator. A public-cop is right up the alley for a scum role Alisae would give.

EIGHTH POINT

: Player meta.

Seriously this is gerryoat's scumgame. Iso gerryoat. Tell me. What the fuck in there is even remotely town? gerryoat is doing nothing while giving the illusion of having done something. In this recent Mathblade/JaeReed debacle, gerryoat is coasting on oneliners and the like, not taking any stance at all. (Which incidentally is one reason I think Mathblade is town.) You can also pay attention to when gerryoat is giving "content". When gerryoat's life was in danger, gerryoat was trying to save himself and produced stuff. The

moment

that pressure faded away, he also faded into the background. He's done no real scumhunting.

I GET THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO LYNCH A PR.

I get that you are afraid to lynch a cop, even.
To lynch a player who you think can make a difference.

But I'm telling you.
gerryoat won't make a difference this game. I guarantee you he won't.
Not by play. Not by role. You're giving him a pass and you absolutely shouldn't be.

First point -- There is no guilty. Scum are not proven to have an NK. They are proven to have factional and not factional abilities. Furthermore the first post is a sample post. Who said anything about it being in the game?

Second point -- And you're not proven to be a roleblocker AND we don't have an explanation for why all actions redirected to LUV who you conveniently targeted. BaeReed has not confirmed or denied the nexus and has just let it go by. It could just as easily be a scum factional ability and anyone be scum.

Third point You can't say play > role then say we should lynch Gerry for his role and not lynch LUV. On paper LUV is a policy lynch based on role claim. So this point is more towards trying to add gusto to your wall.

Fourth point Borders on the absurd He said he is targeting himself.
If scum shoot himself then problem solved?
If he doesn't target himself confirmed scum in Gerry/BaeReed/you/factional ability. Narrows the lynch pool.

Fifth point again borders on the absurd.
He is targeting himself see point four. You are not blocking him. In the case of his action failing this means either mafia or Town have a way to stop someone which invalidates your guilty which invalidates your guilty or you lie and do block him or bastard setup.

Sixth point yeah so? Role doesn't equal alignment. You can't say Gerry is not a proven cop then say "Gerry is a cop but that doesn't make him Town"

Seventh point -- You had a proven track record of Town roles to scum and vice versa until light and day. Mod meta is a thing til it isn't. Why are you trying to make that point noe?

Eighth point -- This does not a guilty make. BaeReed is already improperly applying meta to me.

In short you have a scumread based on incomplete flawed data.

[MathBlade]

And assuming you are referring to post 6:

Name one thing that says Jill is in the game and not a sample role PM.

(I forgot who I was writing this PM for >> Could it be for the mod or sample role PM? Gasp oh you mean the game is bastard??)

[MathBlade]

The Game is Nightless. If there are 3 nights where a No Lynch is achieved, the bar will close and everyone will lose. (hey that ryhmes)

... If Mafia had a night kill
Then explain how the fuck there would be three nights no lynch acheieved. If this was the case then this rule would be unnecessary. Mafia could kill their way to victory.

No it is more likely there is no night kill and you need to quit tunneling a likely cop.

[MathBlade]

The simple answer is we are not lynching Gerry today.

@BaeReed do you claim Nexus?

And if so how did you target LUV and when did you do it and why?

[MathBlade]

I am actually wondering BaeReed Mastina here

BaeReed for examining my scum meta (which really Mastina should have told you to look at Shadowrun hisss booo Night and Day was horrible scum play of mine)

Mastina for what is clearly bullshit here and she is better than that.

BaeReed do you claim Nexus?

[Purple Nurple]

ahh I missed playing with math /s

math/gerry make sense to you jae?