Normal 1934: Civilization Mafia Mafia (Endgame)

[RadiantCowbells]

Thingy.

[Ginngie]

dingy

[lime in da coconut]

I do agree with your belief. Which is why I don't believe nancy is town. And I'm going to end up effectively counterclaiming her anyways no matter what she says. So here's me: I'm a backup to one of the dead roles. I guess I'll expect your vote on nancy in your next post?

You are correct! That is sufficient for me.
You are correct! That's reason to lynch nancy.
You are correct! That is sufficient for me.
You are correct! That's reason to lynch nancy.

VOTE: nancy.
I do apologize for forcing an explicit counterclaim. I had two main motives. One, I wanted a hard guilty. Two, I wanted to avoid lynching a genuine town power role off of speculation of "well she

could

be scum fakeclaiming". Overall, I felt the trade would be worth it.

I don't think that nancy handles a slot the way she handled Gamma earlier, and moreover I agree that Gamma being the only wagon today is very questionable.

Math's play today has been pretty scummy. Nothing about Gamma has been obscum fmpov, and seeing Math insist that he has been doesn't jive with me. It looks like over compensation. The point that Massive calling the game a role maddness is a scum slip also doesn't seem believable. My only qualm is that I think that in this sutiantion Math would be bussing nancy instead of pushing a mislynch on Gamma. The scum Math I remember likes to bus a lot. I guess that this would call into question Gamma's legitimacy, I'll have to consider that bridge when I come to it.

Lime and his predecessor have flown under the radar this game. This may be due to how Dark horse played up to my own thoughts on the game state intentionally or not (If dark hourse was purposely echoing me then wow, he really got inside me head). Lime doing little to push or poke outside of his recently competeled catch-up, and his handling Gamma/nancy aren't good. Scum also tend to leave in drop points vs proactively use points they've already made in the thread. Example here being how I asked Lime to explain they reads in a more cohesive manner, and they're response was that I should find it myself.

I'd be lying if I said I'm wholly positive that the team is all in nancy, Lime, Math/Drixx. I do think that there is a chance that Penguin could be the final scum. I'm not prepared to jump away from my original tells, yet I'm not even sure why I was town reading eddie so hard outside of that specific reason.

Outside of him I would be very surprised to learn any of Massive/Gamma/Gingie were scum based off today's interactions alone.

This post is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know

where

to begin. I'm at a loss for words as far as my gimmick goes because I don't have any clever quip prepared for this level of wrongness. I'm not going to call the whole post a steaming pile of shit because there are parts to it that are fine (which I have edited out). But nothing you've said in here is accurate.

nancy absolutely does handle a partner the way she handled Gamma. Gamma Emerald was the main wagon because he's just that obvious scum.
In spite of us having a hard guilty on nancy I'd even still be willing to lynch Gamma for this very reason; I guarantee you he does not flip town here. The most scummy aspect of Mathblade's play is how there hasn't been anything scummy in Mathblade's play. They bleed town every step of the way and that's the closest thing to a warning sign possible from their play this game. Even there I have doubts. And for the record the meta is backwards. Mathblade doesn't bus much. (They do but only when it's unavoidable.)

I have engaged everyone who has engaged me, the polar opposite of flying under the radar. If people decide not to engage me, that's on them not me. Dark Horse not playing the game might have something to do with how he site flaked. I may not have done much outside of my recently-completed catch-up, but that was a RECENT event so what more would I be asked to do? I've done more in the last couple of days for this game (spending at least five consecutive hours reading every page) than over half the players have in a full week.

I also did not tell you to find it yourself. I simply told you to reframe your question in a way I understand. Because you asked of me something I

don't

really get. You asked me to pull the most relevant quotes. I told you I can't do that because none are more relevant; everything's important. So I asked you to reframe the question into something I WOULD get. You choosing not to do so is on YOU. Not me.

massive and Ginngie are easy townreads sure enough and townreading Eddie Cane is likely a mistake so it is a mistake to believe the team is three of nancy/Lime/Math/Drixx (the maximum would be two but even that I sincerely doubt), but the handling of it is just awful. I don't even think it's scum, but I am immensely displeased because this kind of thinking I feel will directly lead to a town loss.

[Ginngie]

nancy claim

[MathBlade]

...wow

Massive obvScum says "I am a PR"

After nancy likely being honest to Ginngie's gambit/post/...whatever word you want to use.

People were circling around Massive so Massive was likely to go down.

He is clearly is scum.

Like why would you want nancy to claim when she is prob Town?

And there is nothing that says how many PRs are allowed in a game?

[Ginngie]

MASS CLAIM TIME

[Ginngie]

...wow

Massive obvScum says "I am a PR"

After nancy likely being honest to Ginngie's gambit/post/...whatever word you want to use.

People were circling around Massive so Massive was likely to go down.

He is clearly is scum.

Like why would you want nancy to claim when she is prob Town?

And there is nothing that says how many PRs are allowed in a game?

This gives me bad af vibes

considering you're a crumb king and all.

[MathBlade]

Vibe away.

I haven't had a chance to look for crumbs in a bakery let alone this thread.

[Ginngie]

fuck that was saucy.

Not gonna lie that was a damn good pun.

[Gamma Emerald]

hardclaim vanilla townie. I don't really see much new here. What I'm going to try to think on is whether massive was being genuine when he said he thought it was role madness.

[massive]

Up in Aspen camping for the weekend but should check in before deadline. If there's anything you need from me ask now.

[Ginngie]

Up in Aspen camping for the weekend but should check in before deadline. If there's anything you need from me ask now.

I need you to hardclaim

[nancy]

I'm back! \o/

And I care even less about mafia than ever

[Ginngie]

CLAIM BABE

[nancy]

Lmao, I love how everyone went from saying role madness to I'm scum because PR

[Ginngie]

._.

[Ginngie]

I don't even know the vote count but claim in the next post or I vote you.

You know I'm capable of doing something stupid so lets not okay?

[nancy]

I'm a 2-shot tracker, I targeted Tchill mostly in case he was roleblocked or to catch him in a lie or rule out any other shenanigans, didn't actually expect him to get shot last night since I think we'd be in mylo if he was alive and shooting tonight

I don't really have the care level to say stuff properly but I don't think the way Gamma's responded to being L-1 is town, don't really know why massive being in a weird tunnel is the thing he most wants to talk about there + not doing anything with the fact that he's L-1, don't understand what you taking your gambit seriously or not has anything to do with massive, really wish that he would stop fucking misgendering you. lime in da coconut should probably know better than to base reads off setup spec if they are who I think they are but I could be wrong on the altguess, me treating Gamma like a partner is something that doesn't make any sense at all if they are + they haven't followed up on their catchup at all but I can't really be bothered engaging with them to figure out how much of that is bs or just not having a good game or whatever, Grendel's response to my scumread is probably the scummiest thing I've seen all game, don't understand at all how he completely flips massive and me in his reads and his reasoning for me being scum is essentially just an ellipsis, still have no idea why he's townreading Gamma

pedit lol

[Grendel]

^Reads aren't static, you of all people should know that nancy. You haven't questioned me at all until I stopped town reading you, and that is scummy behavior. Also considering that counter claim action that happened last page it really doesn't make sense to believe that massive is scum with you, same goes for Gingie.

I hard claim vanilla townie.

[Grendel]

@Lime

Spoiler:

I don't think that nancy handles a slot the way she handled Gamma earlier, and moreover I agree that Gamma being the only wagon today is very questionable.

Math's play today has been pretty scummy. Nothing about Gamma has been obscum fmpov, and seeing Math insist that he has been doesn't jive with me. It looks like over compensation. The point that Massive calling the game a role maddness is a scum slip also doesn't seem believable. My only qualm is that I think that in this sutiantion Math would be bussing nancy instead of pushing a mislynch on Gamma. The scum Math I remember likes to bus a lot. I guess that this would call into question Gamma's legitimacy, I'll have to consider that bridge when I come to it.

Lime and his predecessor have flown under the radar this game. This may be due to how Dark horse played up to my own thoughts on the game state intentionally or not (If dark hourse was purposely echoing me then wow, he really got inside me head). Lime doing little to push or poke outside of his recently competeled catch-up, and his handling Gamma/nancy aren't good. Scum also tend to leave in drop points vs proactively use points they've already made in the thread. Example here being how I asked Lime to explain they reads in a more cohesive manner, and they're response was that I should find it myself.

I'd be lying if I said I'm wholly positive that the team is all in nancy, Lime, Math/Drixx. I do think that there is a chance that Penguin could be the final scum. I'm not prepared to jump away from my original tells, yet I'm not even sure why I was town reading eddie so hard outside of that specific reason.

Outside of him I would be very surprised to learn any of Massive/Gamma/Gingie were scum based off today's interactions alone.

This post is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know

where

to begin. I'm at a loss for words as far as my gimmick goes because I don't have any clever quip prepared for this level of wrongness. I'm not going to call the whole post a steaming pile of shit because there are parts to it that are fine (which I have edited out). But nothing you've said in here is accurate.

nancy absolutely does handle a partner the way she handled Gamma. Gamma Emerald was the main wagon because he's just that obvious scum.
In spite of us having a hard guilty on nancy I'd even still be willing to lynch Gamma for this very reason; I guarantee you he does not flip town here. The most scummy aspect of Mathblade's play is how there hasn't been anything scummy in Mathblade's play. They bleed town every step of the way and that's the closest thing to a warning sign possible from their play this game. Even there I have doubts. And for the record the meta is backwards. Mathblade doesn't bus much. (They do but only when it's unavoidable.)

I have engaged everyone who has engaged me, the polar opposite of flying under the radar. If people decide not to engage me, that's on them not me. Dark Horse not playing the game might have something to do with how he site flaked. I may not have done much outside of my recently-completed catch-up, but that was a RECENT event so what more would I be asked to do? I've done more in the last couple of days for this game (spending at least five consecutive hours reading every page) than over half the players have in a full week.

I also did not tell you to find it yourself. I simply told you to reframe your question in a way I understand. Because you asked of me something I

don't

really get. You asked me to pull the most relevant quotes. I told you I can't do that because none are more relevant; everything's important. So I asked you to reframe the question into something I WOULD get. You choosing not to do so is on YOU. Not me.

massive and Ginngie are easy townreads sure enough and townreading Eddie Cane is likely a mistake so it is a mistake to believe the team is three of nancy/Lime/Math/Drixx (the maximum would be two but even that I sincerely doubt), but the handling of it is just awful. I don't even think it's scum, but I am immensely displeased because this kind of thinking I feel will directly lead to a town loss.

Having trouble formatting but:

1)I've always seen and heard nancy being anti-bus, therefore seeing her get on that wagon when he (Gamma) was almost certainly getting lynched is not behavior I expected for nancyxGamma team.

2)Likewise once played in a game where Math wholly endorsed bussing as a scum tactic. If their meta has shifted away from bussing then I was unaware of it.

3) By flying under the radar I mean Dark horse's tendency to post enough meaningful content to check list their way through the game. I think that you are in a similar situation where you post enough to not get PoE'd, and that's all you are interested in. I do think that you are reactive instead of active. Outside of the catch up your posts have been answers to questions for you, and responses to people opinions on you.

4)That was how I felt the encounter went down. I'll take the time to marrow to look at

all

the cross references in your catch up. Expect me run to you with questions every time I don't get how a specific post is Ai, or Ai in the way you think it is. I also don't buy that you can't explain it, if you had a strong enough feeling to reference it then you should be able to defend "why" as town imo.

5) I don't see how my hypothetical scum team is awful.

[Grendel]

@Lime

apologies, of the posts you've made thus far the only one that is "reactive" in the sense I put it in was your response to me. I guess you really haven't been around enough to evaluate your posting habits.

I operate a lot from the notes I take, and thoughts I get away from the screen due to time constraints. So sometimes I make dumb oversights like this.

[nancy]

Grendel could you talk about where your reads are at with humeaneatingmonkey flipping town please? If you don't have time to talk about all of them then maybe pick ~2-3 that feel most important to you? Your progression on me/Robbnva in particular is something I don't really understand; I'd like to know what changed between 1133 where you seem to have a pretty tentative townread on me and 1152 where I'm your top townread and just your earlier treatment of Robbnva in general where it looks like you're townreading him but have him as a nullread (?) once you put out a readslist.

Very scummy behaviors :3

[nancy]

Sorry, I'm trolling but I don't mean to make fun. It's just hard to take mafia seriously right now. I think your reasoning for me being scum is bad and it's one of the reasons why I think you are scum. Most of them are also wrong, since I made 1329 when your last read given of me at that point was "top townread" and moreover your last post at that point implied that I was town by saying that town was being bad and asking me to vote (which ftr is also scummy because LAMIST), and the post before that was asking me to vote massive with you which is very clearly implying that you're townreading me; since not claiming when there was no reason for me to just because you wanted it isn't scummy (but framing me as "avoiding" actually is); since I wasn't taking your townread for granted given that I asked whether your read of me had changed and that isn't scummy even if it were true; and since I'm not counterclaimed and it was literally impossible for me to be counterclaimed at the time you even said that since I hadn't even claimed at that point. So basically you don't actually have any real reasons to scumread me fmpov, and I don't even think your reasoning is town wrong because of the way you're framing and stretching things to be scummy and ignoring anything that makes your scumread look silly.

And I still have no idea why you're townreading Gamma.

[Ginngie]

X-shot sounds really weird given the setup

[nancy]

Vote me then bae. I don't know why you think it's weird but I'm not going to be upset with you for not knowing I'm town and I've mislynched friends for worse so it's honestly impossible for me to feel bad about people getting it wrong in mafia anymore. We've gotten this far without arguing and I don't plan on having that change especially when I don't even care who wins this game.