Open 698: Stack the Deck (GAME OVER)

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:

The end of 117 looks Towny to me. Knowing that Riddleton was Duckworth it does kind of invalidate one of my points, and I have to admit that it probably was a scumread on grapes now, so there's that too.

[Alchemist21]

OK, I need a new vote.
Luca likes Suikoden, so I can't vote there anymore...

VOTE: Duckworth

Serious vote.

You've got a serious bare vote on a guy who hasn't confirmed yet?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Unabombah

This deserves more attention. That naked vote is ew.

"In post 76, Chip Butty"]

Were you being serious here? I took this as RVS. I mean, crumbing mafia by using capitals is paleo. I'm pretty sure nobody does that now.

Of course I wasn't. Releo already pointed it out. I'm making fun of him.

UNVOTE:

Also....

@Alch

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[Alchemist21]

@Mod, can you fix the quote tags please?

Fixed. I think...

[Realeo]

@CommKnight

Are you genuinely indifferent with every shit that happens? The last time you posted was page 5 and in that post it seems you're still in RVS mood?

[UnaBombaH]

My vote on you isn't naked. It is clear that i voted you because you voted Duckworth without giving a reason, and went to the trouble to confirm it as a serious vote.

What part of my serious RVS-vote you don't understand?

I mention a video game in the same post as a reason for not voting someone else anymore..it was a very serious reason too.
Luca is locktown for me now, he can roll to scum!victory if he wants to, just because he likes Suikoden.

[Assemblerotws]

Here, but about to be without Internet for the next several hours.

[Chip Butty]

My vote on you isn't naked. It is clear that i voted you because you voted Duckworth without giving a reason, and went to the trouble to confirm it as a serious vote.

Luca is locktown for me now, he can roll to scum!victory if he wants to, just because he likes Suikoden.

Noted for future games...

[CommKnight]

@CommKnight

Are you genuinely indifferent with every shit that happens? The last time you posted was page 5 and in that post it seems you're still in RVS mood?

Not indifferent. Just not had the time to organize my thoughts fully on the current interactions. I have a few reads, but I want to see some of it play out a bit more before I can commit to them as they are currently swaying between both sides. One side says this, the devil's advocate in me says another possibility is more likely the truth.

But mostly just not had time to post what I think. Tomorrow I got plenty of free time between most of my classes so I should be able to post what I think then.

[Luca Blight]

I really don't like Iceguy's start, his vote for Grapes or his subsequent unvote.

First of all, his start:

If I ever do roll scum in a game with you I'll have to make sure to pay you back for Micro 725.

I don't like this.

VOTE: Alchemist21

Votes Alch with a seemingly non RVS vote, but then doesn't follow up on it at all. Alch soon becomes IceGuy's biggest townread for being "right and earnest about grapes' behavior", which seems a bit weak for a solid early Townread, considering Alch had posted the only other thing IceGuy has disliked in this game so far.

His vote:

Not to literal you to death but at this point I don't have a read on anyone based on three words.

But I mean different strokes for different blokes; I don't enjoy sitting around until some arbitrary word count to happen on page 3 in order to stop censoring myself so that people don't immediately discredit me based on playstyle for giving thoughts as they come to me.

You made a list of people you consider town/null/scum. This list included people who've posted three words and people that aren't in the game. You posted things that look like they're useful to town, but aren't.

I also really don't like the way how you vote everybody who attacks you.

VOTE: grapes

On the other hand, I'm not completely convinced that grapes is scum; I have this nagging feeling scum is sitting amongst the lurkers and laughing at how we're attacking ourselves.

Alchemist is town. Realeo is probably town, at least I don't think he's bussing. Everybody else - that includes Chip Butty - needs to post non-RVS posts.

As I mentioned before, a bit hypocritical that he votes someone for trying to look useful without being so, and then making a pretty pointless vote of his own when it's followed by "I'm not completely convinced he's scum" - what is the point of such a non-committal vote? He wants to be seen as doing something, but he has zero conviction behind it, which leads to his unvote:

UNVOTE:

Scum would be laying low right now, not doing what grapes is doing. While I don't agree with what grapes is saying and I consider a player who thinks they can solve the game on page 2 a show-off, it does not indicate alignment.

So basically IceGuy has coasted the opening of this game entirely on Grapes' back, accusing him of trying to look useful but not being so, when this is exactly what IceGuy has been doing himself.

Also, this post:

You said you want to retract your town lean, that implies you think he's scum now.

Seems pretty ridiculous reasoning to me; feels like he's trying to provoke a scum read that wasn't there.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: IceGuy

[Realeo]

I agree that IceGuy is sketchy, but I am considering the chance if both grapes and IceGuy are cases of "awkwardly done transparency under good faith"

[Realeo]

Luca Blight

I noticed that you attacked IceGuy for grapes but never talked about grapes. What's your position on grapes?

[Luca Blight]

Luca Blight

I noticed that you attacked IceGuy for grapes but never talked about grapes. What's your position on grapes?

Grapes is leaning Town for me.

The only problem I had with him so far was his 'easy' reads, but I'm willing to accept his explanation for now that it's a playstyle of his. I've played with other players who have played similarly (basing reads off of very little content) who have turned out to be Town, so it's not something in of itself that I'm going to call particularly scummy.

[Chip Butty]

@Grapes: sorry if I've missed this in your gargantuan posts, but can you please link us to a game where you were town and played in a similar style?

@Luca: Speaking of easy, how come you have accepted Grapes's account of his style without asking him what I have just asked him?

[GameNBurger]

I'm on phone and really don't have time for a proper long response so IOU

But I'm short yes I ultimatley read you as town, I think your behavior is being perceived as low hanging fruit for scum to poke at. Pun intended.

At the moment your votes were on people criticizing you, which I could see as plausible votes given how fast some people pushed you but at the moment you reeked of previous players I've played with before, but I'd like to apologize since after diving into your meta I get the sense of a completely different person than what I've been perceiving this game. Which is disconcerting in a completely different way, but ultimately I couldn't find a game where you were pushed so hard at the beginning in your meta anyways. Really when I start directly engaging with you in the posts (yes the irony of the conclusions of the first post is not lost on me) is when I started to buy you were more of a town lean.

To explain my comment about feeding, being such a dominant force early on RVS and then defending yourself through very long posts often looks scummy in general and allows for scum to take control of the game by getting others to agree it looks scummy. I also still think a full read list is pointless when the scum are just the inactive (on page 3 mins you). I don't think it was scummy, I don't see any benefit to have that full list as scum. iMO, scum don't like to leave records so there opinions can have wiggle room.


Also yes I am very critical regardless of alignment. I think everyone deserves scrutiny, I've found half the time it's never scum messing up but just town not knowing how to properly express ideas or work together or something else. But I do read your point that I had a negative tone. It's something I play with always, despite my cheery introduction.

[IceGuy]

I really don't like Iceguy's start, his vote for Grapes or his subsequent unvote.

So basically, you've decided that you want to start a wagon on me, and then tried to find reasons for it.

[Alchemist21]

I don't see the case Luca's making about Ice. I see it as Town who's not looking to confbias and tunnel, and him stating what's making him less confident in the read seems like it's a more honest vote than one that's pushing an agenda.

[Alchemist21]

Realeo what are you current reads?

[PMysterious]

Vote Count 1.2

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Assemblerotws- 0
Realeo- 1 (grapes)
Chip Butty- 0
GameNBurger- 0
ironstove- 0
IceGuy- 2 (Mulch, Luca Blight)
Luca Blight- 0
Duckworth- 0
Mulch- 0
Alchemist21- 1 (IceGuy)
grapes- 1 (Duckworth)
CommKnight- 0
UnaBombaH- 1 (Chip Butty)

Also, effective immediately, Mulch has replaced SmoothBlue

[Mulch]

Hi

I’ll read up by tonight

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

Maybe I’m dumb but can someone explain 27 to me lol

[Mulch]

VOTE: unabombah

[Alchemist21]

Hi

I’ll read up by tonight

VOTE: unabombah

Why?

[Alchemist21]

No no no no no no no it was an https link this is bullshit

[Mulch]

VOTE: gamenburger

@grapes

- why did you have my predecessor as scum early game?