Mini 554 - Mafia in Vollville - Over!!

Incognito · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:03 am

If you're town, you wanting to draw the NK earlier would suggest that you felt that opie's scum buddies would be so frustrated by your abilities, they would want to kill you off for being a good scum hunter. I don't see how that correlates with what you've just said now about wanting to stay alive. I'll need to think about this further.

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Votecount #33

Oman - 2 (Incognito, Adel)

ChaosOmega - 1 (Erg0)

Not voting - 6 (Matt_S, ChaosOmega, Xylthixlm, Patrick, Jitsu, Oman)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline for D2: Friday April 5, 11:30AM GMT+10
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Xylthixlm · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:11 am

Adel is saying that "I want to draw the scum kill" was WIFOM.

Erg0 · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:46 pm

It's obvious WIFOM, but I'm not really sure what it was supposed to achieve.

Adel · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:05 pm

Erg0 wrote:It's obvious WIFOM, but I'm not really sure what it was supposed to achieve.

my survival.

Oman · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:56 pm

Jitsu wrote:So if you were voting Opie because you trusted Adel, why did you keep your vote on Opie the whole time even though Adel jumped on and off the Opie wagon several times near the end of the day? Given Adel's tendency to get on a wagon early and stay there for the duration, didn't you find it just a little odd that she changed votes several times?

Are you still getting a town read off of Adel now?

As I said earlier in the day: I was afraid of letting opie-scum get away after going after someone else.

I think its strange that Adel said Opie was "to draw out scum" but let it go to lynch and jumped around a lot.

Am, I still getting a town read...Yes, though I think currently misguided.

Xylthixlm · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:48 pm

Adel, who do you think is most likely to be ChaosOmega's scumbuddy?

Adel · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:49 pm

Incognito · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:04 pm

Just to state the obvious, this was ChaosOmega's post explaining his lack of participation:

ChaosOmega wrote:Jitsu, I'll be lynched regardless of your vote. I should have came on earlier to claim. I'm the cop. Was trying to stay in the background so I wouldn't get nightkilled.

Now that he's "role-claimed", I think he has no excuse to stay in the background anymore.

Erg0 · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:08 pm

It's pretty clear to me that if he was really a cop then he'd be making some kind of effort to avoid being lynched. If he's not caught scum I'll eat my proverbial hat.

Patrick · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:13 pm

Erg0 wrote:It's pretty clear to me that if he was really a cop then he'd be making some kind of effort to avoid being lynched. If he's not caught scum I'll eat my proverbial hat.

This is also what I've been thinking.

Incognito wrote:I liked Patrick's post above. Patrick, are we sharing the same brain?

^5

Xyl, what do you think of Oman?
Oman, what do you think of Xyl?

/obvious line of questioning

Jitsu · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:16 pm

Incognito wrote:Now that he's "role-claimed", I think he has no excuse to stay in the background anymore.

Incognito wrote:It's pretty clear to me that if he was really a cop then he'd be making some kind of effort to avoid being lynched. If he's not caught scum I'll eat my proverbial hat.

I was thinking the same thing. He doesn't seem very concerned that was at L-1 and that he is still at the top of a lot of players' lists.

Also, didn't he promise a summary of his opinions on all the players awhile ago (back on Day 1)? Whatever happened to that??

Xylthixlm · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:05 pm

I think the fact that Adel is gunning for Oman is a point in Oman's favor.

Oman · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:10 pm

i think the fact that erg0 was gunning for Xyl is a point in Xyl's favour.

Incognito · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:13 pm

Xylthixlm wrote:I think the fact that Adel is gunning for Oman is a point in Oman's favor.

Why?

By making this statement, you're now in effect making judgments about Oman's alignment based on Adel's actions towards Oman and you're not basing your opinion about Oman's play in complete isolation separate from Adel's gunning.

The question was - what do you think of Oman? In addition, do you think Adel is scum?

Incognito · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:14 pm

Oman wrote:i think the fact that erg0 was gunning for Xyl is a point in Xyl's favour.

Same applies to you.

Oman · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:28 pm

Incog wrote:By making this statement, you're now in effect making judgments about Oman's alignment based on Adel's actions towards Oman and you're not basing your opinion about Oman's play in complete isolation separate from Adel's gunning.

Whats wrong with this?

I have not really read Xyl. I should. I will.

Xylthixlm · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:34 pm

I haven't noticed anything particularly scummy about Oman. The only point against him seems to be that he followed Adel's wagon on opie, but so did Guardian and pickemgenius, which suggests that Adel may have done at least as good a job attracting townies as he did attracting scum.

I'm leaning towards Adel being scum - his explanation for the opie wagon sounds like an excuse rather than a reason. If he really thought that the best day 1 play is to lynch randomly, then he wouldn't have vote hopped to Guardian and back.

Erg0 · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:02 pm

Pssst... Adel is a she.

Adel's play is pretty much irrelevant to my opinion of Oman. I thought his behaviour towards the wagon was scummy yesterday, before Adel admitted that she did this on purpose. I am concerned that Adel's admission has become something of a smokescreen here.

Xylthixlm · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:30 pm

Anyone without a gender icon under their avatar gets whatever pronoun I feel like calling them.

Adel · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:18 am

Xylthixlm wrote: I'm leaning towards Adel being scum - his explanation for the opie wagon sounds like an excuse rather than a reason. If he really thought that the best day 1 play is to lynch randomly, then he wouldn't have vote hopped to Guardian and back.

I don't think you have any real understanding of my playstyle.

Incognito · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:32 am

Oman wrote:
Incog wrote:By making this statement, you're now in effect making judgments about Oman's alignment based on Adel's actions towards Oman and you're not basing your opinion about Oman's play in complete isolation separate from Adel's gunning.
Whats wrong with this?

I have not really read Xyl. I should. I will.

Do you really not see what's wrong with it? Xyl's comment is completely based on the assumption that Adel is

definitely

scum and it didn't really answer Patrick's question. Post 841 was more along the lines of an answer to Patrick's question.

Oman · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:41 am

No, its not. Xyl's statement is based on the fact that he BELIEVES Adel to be scum.

I'm sure if Adel came up town, he'd "rethink" it.

Xylthixlm · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:22 am

Adel wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote: I'm leaning towards Adel being scum - his explanation for the opie wagon sounds like an excuse rather than a reason. If he really thought that the best day 1 play is to lynch randomly, then he wouldn't have vote hopped to Guardian and back.
I don't think you have any real understanding of my playstyle.

Don't make me drag out "lynch all liars".

Incognito · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:40 am

Xylthixlm wrote:
Adel wrote:
Xylthixlm wrote: I'm leaning towards Adel being scum - his explanation for the opie wagon sounds like an excuse rather than a reason. If he really thought that the best day 1 play is to lynch randomly, then he wouldn't have vote hopped to Guardian and back.
I don't think you have any real understanding of my playstyle.
Don't make me drag out "lynch all liars".

Adel wrote:following lynch all liars usually results in my death.

lol

Patrick · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:46 am

Xylthixlm wrote:I haven't noticed anything particularly scummy about Oman. The only point against him seems to be that he followed Adel's wagon on opie, but so did Guardian and pickemgenius, which suggests that Adel may have done at least as good a job attracting townies as he did attracting scum.

I don't like this argument. It's like you're saying that Oman being on the crapwagon yesterday is ok because Guardian and pickemgenius were both on it and we know them to be protown. There were a total of 5 people on the lynchwagon yesterday, and 6 people who voted opie if we count you, of course some of those players are going to be town. Even if it was the kind of wagon that scum were attracted too, at least half the people on it were probably town. You're also ignoring the fact that ChaosOmega was on it and he's looking rather likely to be scum.

By the way, Oman's play with regards to opie isn't the only point against him. I consider the fact that he doesn't appear to be scumhunting to be a point against him too.

I've taken a look at Jitsu. It still feels like he got off comparatively lightly compared to opie, when at least some of what opie got flak for was stuff Jitsu did too. If Adel truly did wagon him randomly then that explains her lack of attacking him, but there were still other people. Since being attacked his posting has seemed more solid to me though.

Might be connected to ChaosOmega, since he was very noncommital about whether or not he was going to vote him at the end of yesterday, and if I hadn't asked him to give an opinion on it, I'm not even sure that he was going to come forward at all. However, I think Jitsu and Oman are probably not scum together, because of the early interactions. Jitsu attacks Oman for dayvig joke, and Oman's reaction looks like he's buddying up to him a bit by overdoing the praise and giving him a townie brownie. Buddying up doesn't usually happen between two scum on the same team.