(Um, sorry, I tend to write walls)In post 1918, Toranaga wrote:unvote: skitter
skitter I'd like to know why you put Havo on L-1 in the sense of helping town's wincon. I'd also like to know your thoughts on Maria and how you came from townreading her to voting her. this is my whole case against you. reading into your posts, I think you're too smart for the votes you made, and felt your posting when you did it was scummy.
Spoiler: @Tor
For Havo, I disliked the way he reacted to the wagon that was built on him; the way he reacted just kinda looked like caught scum to me. Instead of explaining his thought process, he just devolved into shouting that it was too early to get reads. Even as pressure built on him, he just kept screaming his talking point of 'I CAN'T HAVE READS YET IT'S TOO EARLY' instead of trying to, say, analyze the votes on his wagon, or, you know, try to come up with some opinions on the gamestate. Enough had happened at that point that I felt his resistance to analyzing like anything was coming from scum who was taking refuge in the defense that he felt he *couldn't* yet.
For Maria, I initially liked the way she reacted to Havo's claim in 164. I also liked the way she was pushing Mulch.
However, I had some hesitations. She was never on the *highest* tier of townreads because there were some things I didn't like. Her vote on Chip in that post was slightly odd, especially since she later admitted that it was partially OMGUS based. I also didn't like her push on HEM, because I liked his 'let the PRs sort themselves out' stance, and has held onto those views while under pressure, or her reaction to WM's vote on her.
The thing that tipped her over into a scumread was her misere vote in 932. It was incredibly opportunistic. She had called Chip out earlier for doing the same thing (164), but chose to hop on the misere thing literally as a survival vote, which she herself admitted. Not only that, she decidedly stayed away from the other wagons that were actually happening and decided to start a vanity wagon that her scumread was pushing. This seemed inconsistent in that she was listening to a scumread, and that she was ignoring several other viable wagons in favor of starting a bandwgon on someone I was townreading.
I also still don't get why we're pushing misere atm. Yeah, it made sense to push them while they were lurking, but now that we're (eventually maybe) getting a replacement, the activity thing shouldn't be a problem once someone replaces in and we can sort them properly. I don't like voting slots that don't have people behind them who can't defend themselves. I feel like the misere wagon is being opportunistically utilized by scum to push a lynch.
I'm also slightly concerned by the fact that in this gamestate BBT's wagon is stalling once again.
The fact that Serg is just kinda floating around the edges is also disconcerting. He's also one of those players I can see scum pushing for a relatively easy lynch, and the fact that it isn't happening is weird.
I don't ever want to lynch WM. WM's miller claim likely comes from town and he's like the only person looking at this game with some semblance of sense. He also isn't afraid to take stances that are unpopular in the gamestate (ie his repeated votes on Fykus even though he can't get anyone to follow him there). I'm also leaning away from a HEM lynch. is stance on the PRs and inactives makes sense and has been remarkably consistent; I like that he's trying to look beyond the PRs and inactivies today in order to try to sort as many people as possible. He's, like, looking at the game practically and trying to utilize our time and lynches in the most efficient way possible instead of getting caught up in the PR/inactive thing.
For Maria, I initially liked the way she reacted to Havo's claim in 164. I also liked the way she was pushing Mulch.
However, I had some hesitations. She was never on the *highest* tier of townreads because there were some things I didn't like. Her vote on Chip in that post was slightly odd, especially since she later admitted that it was partially OMGUS based. I also didn't like her push on HEM, because I liked his 'let the PRs sort themselves out' stance, and has held onto those views while under pressure, or her reaction to WM's vote on her.
The thing that tipped her over into a scumread was her misere vote in 932. It was incredibly opportunistic. She had called Chip out earlier for doing the same thing (164), but chose to hop on the misere thing literally as a survival vote, which she herself admitted. Not only that, she decidedly stayed away from the other wagons that were actually happening and decided to start a vanity wagon that her scumread was pushing. This seemed inconsistent in that she was listening to a scumread, and that she was ignoring several other viable wagons in favor of starting a bandwgon on someone I was townreading.
I also still don't get why we're pushing misere atm. Yeah, it made sense to push them while they were lurking, but now that we're (eventually maybe) getting a replacement, the activity thing shouldn't be a problem once someone replaces in and we can sort them properly. I don't like voting slots that don't have people behind them who can't defend themselves. I feel like the misere wagon is being opportunistically utilized by scum to push a lynch.
I'm also slightly concerned by the fact that in this gamestate BBT's wagon is stalling once again.
The fact that Serg is just kinda floating around the edges is also disconcerting. He's also one of those players I can see scum pushing for a relatively easy lynch, and the fact that it isn't happening is weird.
I don't ever want to lynch WM. WM's miller claim likely comes from town and he's like the only person looking at this game with some semblance of sense. He also isn't afraid to take stances that are unpopular in the gamestate (ie his repeated votes on Fykus even though he can't get anyone to follow him there). I'm also leaning away from a HEM lynch. is stance on the PRs and inactives makes sense and has been remarkably consistent; I like that he's trying to look beyond the PRs and inactivies today in order to try to sort as many people as possible. He's, like, looking at the game practically and trying to utilize our time and lynches in the most efficient way possible instead of getting caught up in the PR/inactive thing.
