Open 698: Stack the Deck (GAME OVER)

[Luca Blight]

I think if Assemble really intended to catch-up during this day phase he would have done so, at least in part, during one of his previous forays into this thread, so I'm not holding out too much hope on that.

[grapes]

I'm pretty sure duck flips scum.

And then I've got a scumlean on gameburger.

Gonna do some isos because I'm not quite content with that.

[grapes]

There's some pretty good stuff in mulch's iso but I wanna dig here a little.

I think that Luca's indignation and anger about the ordering of the town read fiasco with Ice is relatively villagery

I will give Luca a scum lean. I don't like some of his earlier posts

I'm curious what made you wanna go back and look at luca's early game when you thought his recent content seemed villagery.

Can you go more into what you didn't like from his early stuff?

[GameNBurger]

I'm pretty sure duck flips scum.

And then I've got a scumlean on gameburger.

Gonna do some isos because I'm not quite content with that.

Yeah I'm gonna need a bit more than this, you're very much in the lurker pool. You said you caught up but you've failed to write anything relating to it.

I can live with your scumread on me but I'd really like to know why so that way you actually add to the game. I'll double check but I'm pretty sure your ISO is still mostly you from early game, back when you were the only talking point.

Aaaaand I'm not exactly wrong, there is a bit more going on in your posts but nothing in why you scumread me other than scummy rvs posts????

[grapes]

I'm doing isos; not sure what was unclear about that.

Also what was the point of your last post? Like I cannot tell if you're calling me scum or you just want me to bulletpoint the things I've brought up regarding my read on you so you can flail about it or what but.

Yea, give a man some room to breath with all that.


Talk to me about why Unabombah's a "safe" vote; I'll iso him next.

[grapes]

Also just a psa; just because someone is 'lurking' doesn't mean that you get to hold onto a null read there the whole game.


Ducks content has been scummy lurker or not.

[grapes]

I guess a really rough readslist (it's so early, although it is an open game) would be:

Mulch/Assemble/Grapes
Alch
Comm/ (maybe Chip?)
Iron/Duck/Una
Realeo/Luca
Game
Ice

I'm comfortable with this, maybe put me one slot higher in your next list?

Can you explain why it being an open game affects how early reads can form?

This post was bad.
Do you agree with all the reads here unabombah or do you just see where's he's coming from even though there's no reasons?

I really don't like how the thing he pries into is the open-game reads bit and not any of the reads either.

Do you have any actual thoughts on the game currently?

I looked back through your posts and it's all jokes and pointless posts.

You must have some reads by now, even if they're weak.

This part is the most important one: I'm not one to normally shitpost through the game.
I've been trying a new approach to day 1.

The thing is: I suck at early game reading because I don't "understand" tone.
I mainly read interactions, and this game had very few good ones in the first 5 pages or so.
I already admitted as much: they all felt very weird and instead of AI reads, I felt like some of it almost gave better indications on IQs..

In a game like this that has either a slower start, or interactions I can't read well enough to react, I now tried to pull the focus on my own actions.
Anyone who has been noting my behavior in a negative manner so far has been gaining some minor towncred from me.

The thing about scum is that they want players who aren't "gamesolve-y" to make it to the lategame, and therefore don't always latch onto people who post, but only "keep appearances".
And that is what I have been trying to create: fluff.

Alchemist

is my first townread simply because they took the step to call me out on it.
On the other hand, I DO have one scumlean based on how they put their vote on me.

IceGuy

voted after Alchemist had "bit the bullet" in making a base for a wagon, and instead of following his reasonable argument, IceGuy only said he is willing to vote all lurkers and just happened to choose me from amongst them.
And therefore I shall VOTE: IceGuy.

Slight townlean on

Luca Blight

for calling IceGuy out before I got to it. (and also the Suikoden thing, that actually affects my gameplay..)

I'm gonna also agree with alch that devoting 3 paragraphs to why he fluffed a little bit in rvs is pretty bad considering that was all that he was getting scumread for iirc.

[grapes]

@Unabombah

Questions and comments are in purple.

I'm a bit surprised after reading the last few pages for being scumread/-leaned by so many of you!
Time to try and churn out content now that I've closed some of my other games.. (and no more fluff )

Most of these are still "gutreads", but the ones in the extremes are more based on exact interactions.

Townread:

Alchemist

for his general posting and interactions, absolutely no scumvibes there for me.

Which interactions and why?

Luca Blight

mainly for his IceGuy-interaction, albeit being on the aggressive side (would be easier to fake imo, but think it was genuine).
Some posts where I felt our thoughts are on similar tracks.

Townlean:

Mulch

mainly for his catch-up, have to admit I'm a bit weirded out with him not spamming whole pages alone, but maybe that is for the best?

Realeo

for his general tone: feels very relaxed yet confident. Haven't noticed any hesitance when commenting on anything! Feels genuine. "Defending" IceGuy based on meta is either confident Town, or very brave scum.

Curious where you've seen confidence in particular from realeo?

grapes/CommKnight

mainly on gut. Really liked grapes early walls when re-read, and CommKnights "compilation-post" and readslist.

Sidenote: red flag that he's got two slots together here.

Zero factors:

Assemblerotws, ironstove

(I'm not one to advocate lynching lurkers, but this one is just awful.. )

Which one? You've got two names here.

Scumlean:

Chip Butty/GameNBurger/Duckworth

mainly for gut-feels. They are all new players to me, and I'm currently thinking there's at least one scum here.
CommKnight townleaning GameNBurger based on meta sort of worries me.

Why is this a thing that looks like you're weighing for your gameburger read?

Duckworth has posted very little, and is closest to being "relegated" just by that alone.

What?

Scum:

IceGuy

for reasons multiple. Don't like any of his posts, and even though I don't dislike him for voting me, I dislike the reasoning.

UnaBombaH at least posts but I don't like what I'm seeing.

Since there is a wagon on him by a player I consider towny, I'm going to vote him VOTE: UnaBombaH, and hereby express my intention to vote any of the other three if a wagon will form.

How? What?
So he votes for any of the lurkers, but votes for the one who posts..?
I know, he says he dislikes what I post too (and I don't blame him for that), but why bring up the inactivity at all then?
Just so that he can say that he is willing to vote all the other lurkers too? (= not willing to commit).

How is saying that he'd be willing to vote in the lurker-pool not committing to voting in the lurker pool?
Do you think it would have been scummier if he had voted someone else in the pool?

[CommKnight]

VOTE: Una

It's time to put someone to L1 and go for a claim. Also I'm only comfortable with Una or CB today. The rest seem like lazy lurker cases/easy mislynches.

[Assemblerotws]

You look at Una, I'm going to be glaring suspiciously at IceGuy.
Do you have any responses to Una, Ice?

[Alchemist21]

I think Game is Town. His catchup had a good "sweet spot" for how much he went over. It wasn't so little that it looks like he skipped over everything, but not so much that I would call it a wall post that scum would want people to just be unable to parse completely. And I agree about hating Ironstove.

[Alchemist21]

You look at Una, I'm going to be glaring suspiciously at IceGuy.

Who was this even addressed to?

[ironstove]

Guys, don't hate me, I am man's (your) best friend.

[Assemblerotws]

You look at Una, I'm going to be glaring suspiciously at IceGuy.

Who was this even addressed to?

CommKnight, as he was the guy right above me who put Una to L-1.

[Luca Blight]

Una is L-2, not L-1.

[Luca Blight]

Duckworth needs prodding - hasn't posted in nearly three days.

[Chip Butty]

Assembler needs to start posting something of substance. Nothing so far, except for defence against the capialisation thing. We need some reads...

[Chip Butty]

VOTE: CommKnight
This guy was one of the people who sank me hard last time we played.

Are you going to crumb for your traitor?

This went over my head earlier. I'm sure you've played enough mafia to know how a mafia traitor role works. And it is in the OP that they know who the goons are.

What's the dealeo, Realeo?

[Mulch]

There's some pretty good stuff in mulch's iso but I wanna dig here a little.

I think that Luca's indignation and anger about the ordering of the town read fiasco with Ice is relatively villagery

I will give Luca a scum lean. I don't like some of his earlier posts

I'm curious what made you wanna go back and look at luca's early game when you thought his recent content seemed villagery.

Can you go more into what you didn't like from his early stuff?

I was asked to by someone ..

[Mulch]

133, first part of 164, 368

From skim on ISO. Must be gone for night though, now

Grapes

[Mulch]

The way I see it, why bother commenting on it if he's not reading it as scummy?

I dislike this point...volume read on a post basis..

@Luca

[Mulch]

And Mulch, are you still scumreading IceGuy?

Yes..

[Mulch]

GameNBurger's catch up is not bad..

[Mulch]

VOTE: IceGuy

[Mulch]

I can see Una flipping both allignments...the main thing against him is his "reaction test" day 1...said by many a scum.

Yet, I don't know if that's something Una would not do. Their post to me asking to move up the reads list was towny...