17 Kilos of Cocaine - [GAME OVER]

[Ginngie]

I think Dan might be scum but he's not claiming a guilty on me lol

so what makes you think that?

Spiffeh shot kagami.

So I'm just illiterate

now I wonder

am I illiterate?

or is everyone else?

[Spiffeh]

That came right after I joked about not seeing my name when I ctrl-f'd so I'm p. sure that' a joke? Maybe?

I mean I'm sure he'll come and clarify

And he should obvi die if it isn't a joke

[Cephrir]

I guess I could be wrong but yes I thought it was one because of what spiff just said

[Cephrir]

Also who makes post 1259 and then claims a guilty on someone else, lol?

[Ginngie]

It's not like he was flashwagoned to almost a complete lynch if it wasn't for a mechanic that makes everyone selfish

[Cephrir]

I don't get why everyone wants the hammer honestly

I guess they know they're town? But if you're enjoying the game like it just gets you shot

[Ginngie]

I guess they know they're town? But if you're enjoying the game like it just gets you shot

[Firebringer]

I thought dan was making a joke too

[ActionDan]

That was a joke yes (I am worried for a couple of you). Real thoughts to come when im not bleeding chips in poker

[hitogoroshi]

Bulba I see where you're coming from with Cephrir but start here and scroll down a bit. In my eyes, starting by saying "let's wait for the shot" and then backing down is actually a pretty significant town tell. Remember, it seemed like the town at large was going to accept "If there are two shots in the night, then Wicked is town". And the debate was basically saying it was too long to wait. So if you're a scummate who knows that

Wicked actually can produce a second kill

, I don't think you randomly back down so easily when faced with me and Kagami's points. You've already gone to bat for waiting for the shot, and as scum you KNOW you will be vindicated, so it's sort of worst of both worlds to take the stance so strongly and then back down so quickly in the face of opposition.

Having said that, I just realized this line of reasoning isn't as strong as I thought it was because there's a decent chance that the scum just have even night vig and odd night vig in lieu of a true nightkill (and so Wicked couldn't actually produce the 'second shot'). Well, whatever, I still think Cephrir is town.

You can imagine my vote soft parked on Dan but it's not quite time to hammer him yet.

[Cephrir]

there's a decent chance that the scum just have even night vig and odd night vig in lieu of a true nightkill

seems quite possible now that you mention it

[Bins]

so once both are dead scum is fucked??? uh

[Bulbazak]

@Hito: So how

do

you think scum react to the Wicked wagon and the claim? I have two different camps I'm considering, but I don't think there's more than one in each camp. I think we have varied responses here, and I just want to nail them down.

I'm going to go back and reread. If that reaction from Dan really is a joke, I'm not sure how I feel about that wagon overall.

[Firebringer]

Yeah I doubt scum just have vigs in substitute for NK

[Bulbazak]

Unvote
Vote Xyzzy

Dan's 1v1 was mediocre, and I'm not happy with it, but Xyzzy's vote was bad.

[Firebringer]

I never like xyzzy votes either

[hitogoroshi]

@Hito: So how

do

you think scum react to the Wicked wagon and the claim? I have two different camps I'm considering, but I don't think there's more than one in each camp. I think we have varied responses here, and I just want to nail them down.

I think largely ignoring it and pushing your own pet wagon, which plenty of folks did, is probably the most likely reaction. Doing what Cephrir did but going all in on it is another possible one, but I don't think anyone did that. Chess's reaction is also one I would maybe expect, where you try to force out the claim (because you think it'll be very strong) and frame it as a 1v1 with the PRs. (I don't think Chess is particularly likely scum, just that

specifically

his reaction to Wicked-wagon would make sense as a scumbuddy.)

Yeah I doubt scum just have vigs in substitute for NK

Why?

Dan's 1v1 was mediocre, and I'm not happy with it, but Xyzzy's vote was bad.

I still have trouble seeing xyzzy as scum here. It really looks like Wicked very deliberately tried to slow-roll his claim until we had very little time left so we would panic converge on xyzzy. Seems like a really weird situation to cross-bus.

[Bulbazak]

@Hito: So how

do

you think scum react to the Wicked wagon and the claim? I have two different camps I'm considering, but I don't think there's more than one in each camp. I think we have varied responses here, and I just want to nail them down.

I think largely ignoring it and pushing your own pet wagon, which plenty of folks did, is probably the most likely reaction. Doing what Cephrir did but going all in on it is another possible one, but I don't think anyone did that. Chess's reaction is also one I would maybe expect, where you try to force out the claim (because you think it'll be very strong) and frame it as a 1v1 with the PRs. (I don't think Chess is particularly likely scum, just that

specifically

his reaction to Wicked-wagon would make sense as a scumbuddy.)

I looked back over the reactions to the vig claim yesterday, and Ceph wasn't the only one that used the vig claim as a reason to back off. He just wasn't the most subtle about it. There was one other, and they were not as blatant as Cephrir. I'm just trying to figure out whether scum react in that way or not.

I still have trouble seeing xyzzy as scum here. It really looks like Wicked very deliberately tried to slow-roll his claim until we had very little time left so we would panic converge on xyzzy. Seems like a really weird situation to cross-bus.

The Xyzzy wagon had a hard time gaining traction. If there was a mass exodus from Wicked to a last second panic wagon, it would have been on Bins.

[Cephrir]

Unvote
Vote Xyzzy

Dan's 1v1 was mediocre, and I'm not happy with it, but Xyzzy's vote was bad.

I kind of agree with this -- it wasn't quite the reaction I expected from someone who was town and knew it was fake. It makes more sense to me from someone who knows FB is town. I would have thought either getting more incensed about it or (more likely) just calling it fake was more natural.

[Cephrir]

Sorry I agree with the dan part not voting xyzzy

[Firebringer]

Why?

It seems unlikely design wise. Scum relying on two specific people not to get lynched in order to kill seems too crippling and awkward to balance around.

Though if scum have ways just to steal coke on top of kills, maybe not?

[Cephrir]

Odd night vig
Even night vig
Odd night coke thief
Even night coke thief

[Firebringer]

Odd night vig
Even night vig
Odd night coke thief
Even night coke thief

If this was case I think scum could win really fast.

Like buss hammering becomes king.

[Cephrir]

Yeah maybe

It's a thought

[Bins]

btw claiming i cant steal coke before my crumb is misunderstood