17 Kilos of Cocaine - [GAME OVER]

[Ellibereth]

but fine, reck take a look at gingie too and tell chesskid he's dumb after

[Bulbazak]

Well

looking at the games dan gave me, ellie doesn't look that aggressive in the game

posting style is the same but the content is different.

like the scum games look posting to post and just lazily following with the game

different vibe I'm getting here

That's exactly the vibe I got from Elli's d1.

why does anyone bother engaging with bulb about his reads when everyone knows ignoring them and doing the opposite is generally best?

It's better than just showing up, telling everyone how awesome I am, and then doing jack squat.

[chesskid3]

im not guaranteeing hes scum hes just 100% on the deathshortlist

[xRECKONERx]

Oh ok

Anyway here are the only people you need to really look at if you're tight on time:

Dan
Bins
Desperado
xyzzy

You're on the list too technically but

what's the elevator pitch on each?

[Bulbazak]

So, Chess, why is Elli town?

[chesskid3]

because you think hes scum

any more qs?

[chesskid3]

Also, I will be adding anyone who does not allow me to hammer today to the shortlist

thanks for your understanding

[chesskid3]

also also ginngie is very likely lying about coke theft.

[Bulbazak]

Okay. So Chess is going to be worthless. That's cool.

P-edit: Maybe. Regardless, she's not ever hammering again. One hammer is all anyone gets.

[chesskid3]

i want 50% of the hammers thanks

[chesskid3]

Okay. So Chess is going to be worthless. That's cool.

P-edit: Maybe. Regardless, she's not ever hammering again. One hammer is all anyone gets.

also lmao ive poed this game into easily won.

what have u done?

[chesskid3]

hey put it this way if im getting hammers ill get killed and u won't have to deal with me right?

[xRECKONERx]

quick iso on the list chess gave me:

desp: antagonistic somewhat. i disagree where he said his d1 play was just one post about not having reads then "clear angles" and/or reads on people in his other posts. definitely felt contentless and sorta mehh? but i was too and im town so idk if that's even a thing. his whole iso is devoid of p much any strong stances but it's only d2 so im not sure that's such a bad thing. overall doesnt feel GREAT. no interaction with UT/wick from what i can see. possible scum connection.

bins: going into night, i had a twinge of suspicion on bins and that has p much maintained. havent seen much to make me want to change my mind. some posts kinda feel like the Scum Caught For The Wrong Reasons dance that i myself have done plenty of times before (specifically the overdefensiveness in response to firebringer's suspicion of her). weird interactions w/ dan -- complaining about being asked to provide analysis/commentary? in mafia? reasonless vote on wheme was not impressive--asks "why is it a bad vote" instead of telling us why it's a good one. also the random ass list of town reads in 588? bad imo. just lots of empty content with no thought process or reasons behind it which makes it easy to appear like a contributor when she's not. (also noting she put ginn/dan/xyzzy above UT in her reads list). the only behavior that seems somewhat town (bc i have done this countless times) is her own selfmeta on using "fake". i tend to find someone who goes to these lengths is doing so earnestly; doesn't necessarily make it town behavior tho.

daniel: actually find his pushing of bins in 235 to be town-- he's frustrated by bins posting emptyvotes. dislike all the theory/mechanics speculation he engages in. the defense of desp is uhhhh puzzling because i do not share any of those views. he was one of the first people to vote wick. though the hop off onto grapes kinda ruins that. not sure if Watcher is a real claim? overall not anything super concerning imo.

xyzzy: snoozefest. lurking? not much content or posts overall. hard to judge. a vote here would essentially be a lurker lynch? i dislike his naked vote on wick at the end of the day.

[xRECKONERx]

elli gave me the lsit not chess sry

[Bulbazak]

I'm working on it. I don't trust Elli's list. I can't see how he reached those conclusions, and saying "Hey! Game's solved! Let's only lynch from here." is setting off my spidey-sense. I have parts of the game somewhat sorted, but there's also a huge nebulous area, and there are some things that still aren't making sense to me. I'm nowhere near PoE level yet, and I never reach that degree of certainty this early in the game. We know too little, and I think that might bite us.

Right now, I can't see how Elli got to Wicked-scum. He has UT on a list, but that's a not-town list, instead of a scum list, and there's no reasoning given on any of the reads whatsoever. UT would undoubtedly be a null read, so that's okay. Next mention of the slot we have is Elli parroting Kagami's reasoning and pushing Wicked with no lead in whatsoever. There's no independent work coming from the slot, whereas Kagami and Hito were active in their role in pushing Wicked, and "Wicked is not posting reads right away" is shallow in the way that "Desp logged on yesterday" is shallow. The day then essentially ends on "Hey! Here's a list! We have it sorted guys!" and a congratulatory back slap

before the flip

. There's nothing there that makes me think Elli came to the conclusion of Wicked being scum by himself, and I can see the benefit in Elli hardpushing his partner just to put himself in a better position the following days.

[xRECKONERx]

oh man i could totally see elli doing that shit

[Bins]

Wicked was done in by his claim. Otherwise, there would have been a last minute switch on Bins. I don't think he was anticipating that, and I think there was some sort of movement to disband the wagon. The idea of lynching Bins was always running counter to Wicked. She's town here, and scum were either trying to engineer that lynch or defend her.

no.

bins was "willing to" vote wicked but didnt and the wicked slot didnt vote bins either.

You cannot clear bins from how that day end went he remains on the deathlist thank u very much

i was wickeds top townread (rip) and idk if he knew thats how you get me to townread u back but it worked

also like i still have scumreads on like 4 ppl more than i ever did wicked

[Bins]

wait so what r the claims here

[Bins]

No, I didn't actually get any results.
But I did try to check kagami.

oh ok


i still want dan tho

[Bins]

you also cant convince me elli is town

[Ellibereth]

I'm nowhere near PoE level yet, and I never reach that degree of certainty this early in the game.

That's because I'm better than you.

[Ellibereth]

bye

you're also hilarious if you didn't think this was a scumclaim

[Bins]

Right now, I can't see how Elli got to Wicked-scum.

basically this

im still shocked ppl found him scummy b4 the claim and maybe even after that. im convinced in hard bussing so dan or i guess elli

[Cephrir]

Wicked was done in by his claim. Otherwise, there would have been a last minute switch on Bins. I don't think he was anticipating that, and I think there was some sort of movement to disband the wagon. The idea of lynching Bins was always running counter to Wicked. She's town here, and scum were either trying to engineer that lynch or defend her.

This doesn't make much sense

[Bulbazak]

Bins was always on the backburner the entire day.