TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[Vecna]

Is mulch still being a valid lynch target a moderror?

[Alisae]

You forgot the "bulletproof investigation-immune ninja strongman" part.

That doesn't change the fact I still sk read you

[Vecna]

Alisae is weird.

2nd treestump-like mechanic is suspicious

[Alisae]

Because its an enable/disable mechanic
once I disable it I can't go back
but while I have it enabled I can't win

So I'll just enable it in LyLo :3

[Alisae]

So basicly I already won

~the game~

[mastina]

VOTE: Snarky the snowman

VOTE: Snarky (both votes)

VOTE: snarky

These votes are bad, and town in them should feel bad.

(To answer it's reasons.)

[Vecna]

Go away mastina, let them take my CW bait

[Alisae]

Vecna please refer to my avi except replace the word "Waifu" with "bait" tyvm

[Vecna]

I have my suspicions on both sides of the coin

[Llamarble]

specificly I want Llama ded right now but I can't have ded llamas sadisae

If you are secretly trying to keep me alive, bless you <3

I'll be really disappointed in myself if D7 is scum.
Mastin peddles too much nonsense for me to accept "reasons"
I think Vecna and Snarky are both scum. Possibly with Mastin!
I was very much not a fan of "lynch llamarble before he becomes too obviously town" from Vecna and Mastin together.
And if ever there were an antidote to a scum doublevoter in lylo, it would be making them hated. Sorta turns lylo into a race, but I wouldn't put that past a game with this many survivors.

Spoiler: Behold: Theatre

VOTE: slysly

VOTE: slysly

The more I stare at this, the more I realize that judging these wagons by whatever probable town/scum values sly is giving to the wagons' participants to determine some sort of composition metric makes no objective sense.

The rest of the iso is quote walls with barely anything tangible in them.

VOTE: SlySly

I'm ok with a Vax wagon. I will also join the Sly wagon.

Unvote

Vote: SlySly

woo new wagon
VOTE: slysly

Okay so like.
I haven't read the thread.
I haven't ready anyone's reasons for a SlySly read one way or another.
I haven't really read SlySly at all.
So I don't really have a read one way or another on SlySly.
Meaning that sure this wagon could be driven by town and be on scum.
But.

I'm pretty sure this wagon is objectively awful? Like. Every vote is worse than the last. Mulch's vote is probably good. randomidget's is probably okay. ActionDan's vote is bad, chesskid's vote is worse, Dunkerdoodle's vote is even worse. So if people wanna get me to vote SlySly. I gotta say. Right now I'm heavily inclined to disincline.

That being said

, regardless of SlySly's alignment and REGARDLESS of the wagon's composition (all town, largely scum, mostly town with one scum, etc.), I just have to bring this up:

I think SlySly just isn't looking at everything. I think that's lynch bait.

RED FLAG^.

sly is bait

Maybe flag?

6 players voting for Lycanfire (Vaxkiller, Bulbazak, EddieFenix, Desperado, Vecna, MarioManiac4)
5 players voting for Bulbazak (drealmerz7, Lycanfire, Not_Mafia, Srceenplay, Chickadee)
5 players voting for SlySly (Mulch, Dunkerdoodles, randomidget, ActionDan, chesskid3)
2 players voting for Vecna (mastina, mastina)
2 players voting for Toby Determined (SnarkySnowman, SlySly)
1 player voting for Serious Vote (Toby Determined)

So like. The SlySly wagon kinda sorta feels like it's a counter to Lycanfire. I'd be tempted to say it's a counter to Bulbazak if not for both Lycanfire and Chickadee's presence on Bulbazak.

But this is probably wildly off-base. I wouldn't put any stock into it without more research.

RE: 2228, it might seem a bit unfair, but to those who were Not Voting, they get counted as BOTH voting-Zelda and voting-Zoe for the purposes of the division.
Is-Zelda = A
Is-Zoe = B
Guessed-Zelda = C
Guessed-Zoe = D
Voted-Zoe = E
Voted-Zelda = F

TRIPLE COMBO STACK(s):

ACE: ActionDan, Vecna?, randomidget, chesskid3, Llamarble (+EddieFenix)
BDF: Dunkerdoodles
---
ACF: Desperado (+EddieFenix, ??Vecna??)
ADE: Screenplay
ADF: None that I can see. (So, nobody is a Zelda who guessed Zoe and voted Zelda.)
BCE: (+SnarkySnowman)
BCF: Chickadee, drealmerz7 (+SnarkySnowman)
BDE: MarioManiac4

Did I do my calculations correctly here?
Because I just gotta say. Regardless of scum distribution that ACE pile looks suspicious.

We know that it can't be an exact scumteam mirror since the only inverse-ACE is Dunkerdoodles.
A_Es are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble
B_Fs are Dunkerdoodles/Chickadee/drealmerz/SnarkySnowman.
If the scumteam split in two, this is the most likely way they did so.

AC_s are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble/Desperado/EddieFenix
BD_s are Dunkerdoodles/MarioManiac4. This even split isn't impossible, but is less likely. Were there a split featuring these two, it'd likely be part of a larger multi-split.

_CEs are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble/EddieFenix/SnarkySnowman
_DFs are Dunkerdoodles. This can't be an even split; if this is a split, then it is part of a larger multi-split.

I don't quite have the head to calculate multi-splits. (In which the scumteam actively chose to distribute themselves differently at different points: voting a certain way for Being, voting a certain different way for Guessing, and voting a third way for the votecount today.)
But this covers most of the basics. Scumteam this game is going to be 4-8 players, probably 4-6 more realistically. If the scumteam has four/six members and went for common distributions, then they can have:
-All eggs in ACE basket
-Even split in A_E/B_Fs
-Even split in AC_s/BD_s (requires 4-man scumteam AND both Dunkerdoodles/MarioManiac4 as scum; unlikely)
-One ACE, one BCF, one ACF, remainder distributed in BDF/ADE/BCE/BDE
-Two ACE, two BCF (+remainder distributed in ACF/ADE/BDE)

...Maybe others, but I can't think of all the common distributions.
This only covers the common distributions though. It's fully possible to do a random-distribution, i.e., the scum either didn't coordinate, coordinated only partially on this and not on all three steps, didn't have all scum follow the plan (hey it happens), or simply coordinated in such a way that there was no obvious pattern to be found.

Did I mention this post is currently useless? Because yeah it's pretty worthless right now but I have faith that this information can later down the line crack the scumteam wide open. We just need to get there first.

Srceenplay
randomidget
Not_Mafia
Chickadee
Desperado
SnarkySnowman
Llamarble
chesskid3
EddieFenix
Vecna
drealmerz7
MarioManiac4
mastina
Dunkerdoodles
ActionDan
Playerlist.

Srceenplay
randomidget
Chickadee
Desperado
Llamarble
chesskid3
EddieFenix
Vecna
MarioManiac4
Dunkerdoodles
ActionDan
Playerlist, minus the people I know/think to be town.

Desperado
Srceenplay
randomidget

Vecna
EddieFenix
Llamarble
ActionDan
MarioManiac4

Chickadee
chesskid3
Dunkerdoodles

Playerlist, minus the people I know/think to be town, separated into three categories none of which are town:
The top category is the category of "Nothing they've done has strongly made me think scum but nothing they've done has made me really think town, either". Basically null, with some ambivalence mixed in.

The middle category is the "mixed bag" category of "total ambivalence". It is the category of people who sometimes are town and sometimes are scum.

The bottom category is the "consistently scum" category, in that it's the closest I have to actual reads and they're scumreads.

Soyeah. This? This is not a fucking readslist.
This is me internally crying.

[Llamarble]

Sorry - Mastina not Mastin. I don't mean to disrespect you even if I think you may have a scum win condition.

[Alisae]

<_<

[MarioManiac4]

You forgot the "bulletproof investigation-immune ninja strongman" part.

That doesn't change the fact I still sk read you

Does this

look like a serial killer to you?

[Alisae]

Not only that but it also looks like someone decided to pick a trash fire type

[Vecna]

10 words is not enough to grill these marble posts

[Srceenplay]

Screenplay, your box has a carrot

HAND IT OVER

Done

[Chickadee]

IM BACK BUT I NEED TO CATCH UP

[Randomnamechange]

dont think snarky is a good lynch here.

[xyzzy]

hey sorry for going a literal actual month* without a votecount. that's forthcoming momentarily.

*note: actually just a couple days but still

[xyzzy]

votecount 2.L.2

6 players voting for drealmerz7 (EddieFenix, EddieFenix, Not_Mafia, Desperado, Desperado, MarioManiac4)
4 player voting for SnarkySnowman (Vecna, Llamarble, Llamarble, Srceenplay)
2 players voting for MarioManiac4 (chesskid3, chesskid3)
2 players voting for Dunkerdoodles (mastina, mastina)
1 player voting for Chickadee (mastina)

7 players not voting (randomidget, drealmerz7, Chickadee, ActionDan, Dunkerdoodles, SnarkySnowman, Toby Determined)

with 28 votes, it takes 15 to lynch. valid lynch targets are Chickadee, drealmerz7, Dunkerdoodles, MarioManiac4, SnarkySnowman, and TobyDetermined.

the following players have an additional vote: ActionDan, Chickadee, Desperado, EddieFenix, Llamarble, Not_Mafia, SnarkySnowman, Vecna, chesskid3, drealmerz7, mastina, randomidget

day 2 will end in (expired on 2017-10-11 19:00:00).

mod note: Mulch previously being listed as a valid lynch target was a mod error.

[EddieFenix]

dont think snarky is a good lynch here.

Agreed.

Screenplay, your box has a carrot

HAND IT OVER

Done

That moment it doesn't have the carrot....

specificly I want Llama ded right now but I can't have ded llamas sadisae

If you are secretly trying to keep me alive, bless you <3

I'll be really disappointed in myself if D7 is scum.
Mastin peddles too much nonsense for me to accept "reasons"
I think Vecna and Snarky are both scum. Possibly with Mastin!
I was very much not a fan of "lynch llamarble before he becomes too obviously town" from Vecna and Mastin together.
And if ever there were an antidote to a scum doublevoter in lylo, it would be making them hated. Sorta turns lylo into a race, but I wouldn't put that past a game with this many survivors.

Spoiler: Behold: Theatre

VOTE: slysly

VOTE: slysly

The more I stare at this, the more I realize that judging these wagons by whatever probable town/scum values sly is giving to the wagons' participants to determine some sort of composition metric makes no objective sense.

The rest of the iso is quote walls with barely anything tangible in them.

VOTE: SlySly

I'm ok with a Vax wagon. I will also join the Sly wagon.

Unvote

Vote: SlySly

woo new wagon
VOTE: slysly

Okay so like.
I haven't read the thread.
I haven't ready anyone's reasons for a SlySly read one way or another.
I haven't really read SlySly at all.
So I don't really have a read one way or another on SlySly.
Meaning that sure this wagon could be driven by town and be on scum.
But.

I'm pretty sure this wagon is objectively awful? Like. Every vote is worse than the last. Mulch's vote is probably good. randomidget's is probably okay. ActionDan's vote is bad, chesskid's vote is worse, Dunkerdoodle's vote is even worse. So if people wanna get me to vote SlySly. I gotta say. Right now I'm heavily inclined to disincline.

That being said

, regardless of SlySly's alignment and REGARDLESS of the wagon's composition (all town, largely scum, mostly town with one scum, etc.), I just have to bring this up:

I think SlySly just isn't looking at everything. I think that's lynch bait.

RED FLAG^.

sly is bait

Maybe flag?

6 players voting for Lycanfire (Vaxkiller, Bulbazak, EddieFenix, Desperado, Vecna, MarioManiac4)
5 players voting for Bulbazak (drealmerz7, Lycanfire, Not_Mafia, Srceenplay, Chickadee)
5 players voting for SlySly (Mulch, Dunkerdoodles, randomidget, ActionDan, chesskid3)
2 players voting for Vecna (mastina, mastina)
2 players voting for Toby Determined (SnarkySnowman, SlySly)
1 player voting for Serious Vote (Toby Determined)

So like. The SlySly wagon kinda sorta feels like it's a counter to Lycanfire. I'd be tempted to say it's a counter to Bulbazak if not for both Lycanfire and Chickadee's presence on Bulbazak.

But this is probably wildly off-base. I wouldn't put any stock into it without more research.

RE: 2228, it might seem a bit unfair, but to those who were Not Voting, they get counted as BOTH voting-Zelda and voting-Zoe for the purposes of the division.
Is-Zelda = A
Is-Zoe = B
Guessed-Zelda = C
Guessed-Zoe = D
Voted-Zoe = E
Voted-Zelda = F

TRIPLE COMBO STACK(s):

ACE: ActionDan, Vecna?, randomidget, chesskid3, Llamarble (+EddieFenix)
BDF: Dunkerdoodles
---
ACF: Desperado (+EddieFenix, ??Vecna??)
ADE: Screenplay
ADF: None that I can see. (So, nobody is a Zelda who guessed Zoe and voted Zelda.)
BCE: (+SnarkySnowman)
BCF: Chickadee, drealmerz7 (+SnarkySnowman)
BDE: MarioManiac4

Did I do my calculations correctly here?
Because I just gotta say. Regardless of scum distribution that ACE pile looks suspicious.

We know that it can't be an exact scumteam mirror since the only inverse-ACE is Dunkerdoodles.
A_Es are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble
B_Fs are Dunkerdoodles/Chickadee/drealmerz/SnarkySnowman.
If the scumteam split in two, this is the most likely way they did so.

AC_s are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble/Desperado/EddieFenix
BD_s are Dunkerdoodles/MarioManiac4. This even split isn't impossible, but is less likely. Were there a split featuring these two, it'd likely be part of a larger multi-split.

_CEs are ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Llamarble/EddieFenix/SnarkySnowman
_DFs are Dunkerdoodles. This can't be an even split; if this is a split, then it is part of a larger multi-split.

I don't quite have the head to calculate multi-splits. (In which the scumteam actively chose to distribute themselves differently at different points: voting a certain way for Being, voting a certain different way for Guessing, and voting a third way for the votecount today.)
But this covers most of the basics. Scumteam this game is going to be 4-8 players, probably 4-6 more realistically. If the scumteam has four/six members and went for common distributions, then they can have:
-All eggs in ACE basket
-Even split in A_E/B_Fs
-Even split in AC_s/BD_s (requires 4-man scumteam AND both Dunkerdoodles/MarioManiac4 as scum; unlikely)
-One ACE, one BCF, one ACF, remainder distributed in BDF/ADE/BCE/BDE
-Two ACE, two BCF (+remainder distributed in ACF/ADE/BDE)

...Maybe others, but I can't think of all the common distributions.
This only covers the common distributions though. It's fully possible to do a random-distribution, i.e., the scum either didn't coordinate, coordinated only partially on this and not on all three steps, didn't have all scum follow the plan (hey it happens), or simply coordinated in such a way that there was no obvious pattern to be found.

Did I mention this post is currently useless? Because yeah it's pretty worthless right now but I have faith that this information can later down the line crack the scumteam wide open. We just need to get there first.

Srceenplay
randomidget
Not_Mafia
Chickadee
Desperado
SnarkySnowman
Llamarble
chesskid3
EddieFenix
Vecna
drealmerz7
MarioManiac4
mastina
Dunkerdoodles
ActionDan
Playerlist.

Srceenplay
randomidget
Chickadee
Desperado
Llamarble
chesskid3
EddieFenix
Vecna
MarioManiac4
Dunkerdoodles
ActionDan
Playerlist, minus the people I know/think to be town.

Desperado
Srceenplay
randomidget

Vecna
EddieFenix
Llamarble
ActionDan
MarioManiac4

Chickadee
chesskid3
Dunkerdoodles

Playerlist, minus the people I know/think to be town, separated into three categories none of which are town:
The top category is the category of "Nothing they've done has strongly made me think scum but nothing they've done has made me really think town, either". Basically null, with some ambivalence mixed in.

The middle category is the "mixed bag" category of "total ambivalence". It is the category of people who sometimes are town and sometimes are scum.

The bottom category is the "consistently scum" category, in that it's the closest I have to actual reads and they're scumreads.

Soyeah. This? This is not a fucking readslist.
This is me internally crying.

Mastina is a solid town read, as are you to me. Leave Mastina be please and get on D7 .

[Alisae]

Wait mastina you're voting chickadee how dare you

[Chickadee]

Wait mastina you're voting chickadee how dare you

Mastina always scum reads me

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
Because no one is town reading him, including me. This is scum.

[Alisae]

You just broke post restriction how dare you

[mastina]

Wait mastina you're voting chickadee how dare you

Because.

Unvote: Chickadee,
THIRD VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

.