Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

[Mulch]

Yo, town here . Lots of early town leans so I expected to replace into a scum slot. Thankfully not. Possibly multiball? Not sure

[Mulch]

VOTE: rask

Reminds me of aliases large when I did it to gain towncred

[Mulch]

Dunk, moz, carca, Fykus are my top early town leans. With carca being the strongest.

[Mulch]

Dunk and moz I could see but how do you have a townread on carca and fykus?

Ive played with them a lot, basically. I have decent meta reads on them. Unfortunately they are hard to explain, it’s more of a general vibe, so you gotta trust me on it. Although, my weakest read might be Fykus. He’s capable of imitating his town meta I believe

[Mulch]

'ullo Mulch

Wazzup moz. Town this game?

[Mulch]

Can you explain why that post is scummy?

Already trying to pocket me, I see

[Mulch]

It is pretty LAMIST

True. Although, I don’t really think LaMist is scummy anymore. I used to when I just started playing but then realized that it was basically a play style difference. Anyway, you can check my town games, it’s just how I play.

Although it’s an interesting theory discussion because one could argue that a scum’s entire point is to fake scum hunting so their overall purpose is working toward some “form” of lamist

[Mulch]

VOTE: nm15

[Mulch]

Wondering if new town or new scum...

[Mulch]

Dunk, moz, carca, Fykus are my top early town leans. With carca being the strongest.

I'm not sure whether I should be impressed by your great skill, or ignoring you as full of bs. How could you have town leans this early? Carca has only made 1 post.

Meta/gut

I’ve played a large number of games with them . It’s not something I can explain, though- any logical explanation would be weak. It’s just something I feel

[Mulch]

Many a town have been led to destruction by underestimatinh newb scum.

Moz, mulch, carca townbloc rn

[Mulch]

Sorry that train has sailed

Train? Sail?

[Mulch]

P sure rvs

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[Mulch]

@Serge

di you get my gift?

[Mulch]

@Serge

di you get my gift?

WRONG GAME

[Mulch]

hello friends

I see by user: Mulch's posting that we're already off to a great start

What do you mean?



Paranoia!Mulch is thinking this is either a multiball who is signalling to me because they think I signalled to them it's multiball, or a traitor trying to plant a false signal.

[Mulch]

paranoia!dunker thinks boon is scum this game but paranoia!dunker is usually wrong

Boon could be scum. I already have a shitload of town reads but Boon is null right now, so they could be scum by PoE. But I'm really good at reading him so as the day goes on I'll be able to tell.

[Mulch]

oh wait that was the vote button not the post button

EBWOP I meant to say don't know notknown's 51

Here was how I interpreted it: To his PoV, UNA "implied" that they were doing it opportunistically and to get a fast lynch because they said I'm "totally not doing it to get a quick lynch" which if you inverse it's meaning due to the sarcasm was "I AM doing it". And then he got all riled up and decided to go on a lecture about how town woulden't do that.
It was just a joke though and he's like objectively wrong.

[Mulch]

I’m more pro town as scum.

THIS IS LITERALLY A PARADOX

VOTE: BONSKIES

Not really mate

[Mulch]

Mulch (replaces Vedith)

massive
XnadrojX

pisskop

Kaminaseigaku

acidphoenix

Assemblerotws
MeowMix
texcat

Boonskiies

Carcalilly

Fykus

UnaBombaH

Dunkerdoodles

mozamis

Not Known 15

wavemode

Raskolnikov


Look at all the townreads!!!

[Mulch]

VOTE: meow mix

Boon why did you claim I townread you I wouldent let you get lynched

[Mulch]

Mulch (replaces Vedith)

massive
XnadrojX

pisskop

Kaminaseigaku

acidphoenix

Assemblerotws
MeowMix
texcat

Boonskiies

Carcalilly

Fykus

UnaBombaH

Dunkerdoodles

mozamis

Not Known 15

wavemode

Raskolnikov


Look at all the townreads!!!

That

are your townreads? Hmm that sounds strange.
Please explain them.
Especially please explain why you are townreading pisskop after one naked vote as the 3rd vote on a wagon on page 3 when the random voting should have been over. And why you shut down discussion on post74 with rvs while the rvs was evidently over as multiple people had voted for behaviour reasons.

Sure like in some hours

[Mulch]

I sense a town win. I have too many townreads

[Mulch]

I feel so bad, but Una’s actually scum.

Maybe maybe not

[Mulch]

Boon let's not focus on semantics. Also I would feel so bad lynching unah cause they are so fun to play with

[Mulch]

Boon ur obvious when ur scum

[Mulch]

UNVOTE: boon

Sorry for low activity so far. Moved in a new room mate yesterday.

Those few posts by una pinged me but ill hold off voting for now

Why?

[Mulch]

UNVOTE: boon

Sorry for low activity so far. Moved in a new room mate yesterday.

Those few posts by una pinged me but ill hold off voting for now

Why?

I imagine because his last roommate moved out.

I'm asking why he's holding off voting

[Mulch]

i don't think me boon or mulch are scummy it's just no one knows our metas

You can’t put yourself there.

annoyingly that leans towards Town dunker.

What

[Mulch]

still don't really like boon. the rest of you have meta on him so your reads might be clearer but everything he posts seems to serve to intentionally confuse. wagon on me also came up p fast in response to my vote on him

mulch's vote on me feels opportunistic

I like the cut of mozamis's jib

@xx don't know you sorry

How opportunistic?

[Mulch]

so opportunistic

Why

[Mulch]

Why mine in particular

[Mulch]

Oh I agree boon. I meant the "you can't put you there"

[Mulch]

Lol or anyone saying "I'm not scummy". Pretty typical town Dunker

[Mulch]

Thoughts on multiball? What kind of setup has 18 players


Also moz I don't get why meow says mine is opportunistic

[Mulch]

mulch what do you think of texcat scum?
who knows set up but i agree with boon oprob four man scum team?
i dont know why meow said that.

About as likely as any other non town reads. Except meow slightly scummier for that comment

[Mulch]

How can you know my Carca read is bad if you haven't asked me to explain it?

[Mulch]

Also, if by "buddy" you mean act friendly, then yes I buddy as both allignments. Ask anyone.

Also, "moon logic"--- this is why I said it's a paranoia theory. It's not based in anything logical, just a random thought I had that's likely not to be the case.

Finally, I wanna know why you think town aren't interested in talking about multiball, and more importantly why you think it's bad for town to include themselves in town blocs.

Ty man

[Mulch]

Oh yeah. So, what's your problem with that?

[Mulch]

Also fwiw I've gotten complaints in the past about being unfun to play with in games. Trying to change that with recent games lately. So, I am making an effort to be friendly.


And I also think that you are misinterpreting "buddying" with "townreads". Just because I townread someone dosen't mean I'm trying to pocket them

Finally, I am LAMIST in nature. I say things like "I'm town" or some variations all the time, as both scum and town. Eperienced players know that this isn't really allignment indicative, only playstyle indicative.

So, to conclude:

1) Why do you think that the townreads are neccecarily buddying and not just townreads?

2) Why do you have a problem with town putting town in townblocs, or with LAMIST statements, especially ones that are easily noticeable and I could get called out on?

3) Why would town not want to talk about multiball or setup spec day 1?


And we can go from there

[Mulch]

can we get a wagon going on Texcat please?

Why? How did you pick me out of your long list of lurkers? Do you know that I've never played a game without being voted for lurking?

sounds scummy to me tbh

if he was town he wouldn't care

I can see where your coming from, but I think I disagree. I care about being voted all the time, and I can see it being a touchy subject if I was always lynchbait.

[Mulch]

So basically your response is meta.

Why yes indeed. You can't surely argue that being friendly towards people is allignment indicative, right? I mean, people do it as both allignments all the time. So, no need to

actually

back it up with meta. It's just something wrong to push on, and it's further invalidated by the fact I do it all the time

[Mulch]

Multiball is generally more of a scum concern if it hasn't been confirmed and bringing it up d1 suggests extra information that points to it.

Ok, yeah. Then- I would like to know. You dually disliked this (wrong, but reasonable) for being a signal... but then disliked my theory when I pointed out how people could be trying to signal back to me. You called it bullshit logic, when it was really my paranoia theory. Shouden't this indicate to you that I was well aware of how it could be contrived as a signal and was trying to maybe catch people because of it?

[Mulch]

but pushing it that early and repeatedly it shows a real concern over how you're getting read and appearance.

Welp. If your gonna scumread me for caring how I look to other people, this isn't gonna be a good game

I'm the first to admit that I care about looking towny, as town. What's wrong with that? I find that it's a misconception that people think town don't care about getting voted, or don't care how they look. OF COURSE they care how they look! That's why people take time to make their points in a presentable way, and why they give explanations. Indeed, it's our DUTY to make sure we are not lynched.


That being said, I think that while saying your town relates to perception in a rudimentary level, trying to find scum who truly are trying to only care how they are perceived is a lot more complex.

[Mulch]

Ok, I really like the train of thought your going with this. I'm gonna put you as town

I can see all the ways your going for this, and a lot of your ideas I had too when I was a much less experienced player (no offense intended).

This is probably gonna set you over the edge though

[Mulch]

I think Ras is likely town for that push on Mulch. I don’t think Mulch is scum, though, but I got the case.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I can see where they are coming from.

[Mulch]

Not really. Being friendly isn't AI, buddying isn't AI, being LAMIST isn't allignment indicative.

Unsubstantiated townreads ARE allignment indicative, but it's another thing where you have to ask: COULD they be doing this as town? Yes. COULD they be doing this as scum? Yes. So, I woulden't say that all my townreads are neccecarily towny, but not neccecarily scummy. Same with things like gut reads. Yeah, scum can do them. But town can do them too. It becomes a problem when these things are repeated in a pattern over the course of a game.

[Mulch]

I don’t necessarily think Mulch is too familiar with pisskop and massive, though. Which also changes the case, but I get why that could be seen.

I feel Pisskop is town this game, not sure on Massive

[Mulch]

I probably should meta this for due diligence but I'm getting a scumgloating vibe here.

Man, I'm trying my best to explain this to you here. I would take a step away, stop trying to look at my posts with the perspective of "could Mulch be scum saying this" and more "could Mulch be town saying this". That tends to help me with confirmation bias.

[Mulch]

You would be surprised about how your interpretation of tone changes when you already think someone is scum or town

Everything they say is towny or scummy accordingly.

[Mulch]

Why can’t unexplained townreads be genuine?

[Mulch]

Why can’t unexplained townreads be genuine?

I have asked you something in post 105: How you did get a specific townread. A townread based on one naked vote. On someone who then got asked in 73 why naked and you said "rvs". And you did not answer. I think that you, Mulch, are evil, made some valid townreads(perhaps) and filled them up with some BS townreads to look like town and to valadilate [post]34[post]. And that you slipped up when doing so by adding someone who had no valid townread case on them.

Why do you think that townread is invalid? I haven't explained it yet. Why are you assuming it's bad without hearing my explanation?

[Mulch]

Why can’t unexplained townreads be genuine?

I have asked you something in post 105: How you did get a specific townread. A townread based on one naked vote. On someone who then got asked in 73 why naked and you said "rvs". And you did not answer. I think that you, Mulch, are evil, made some valid townreads(perhaps) and filled them up with some BS townreads to look like town and to valadilate [post]34[post]. And that you slipped up when doing so by adding someone who had no valid townread case on them.

Why do you think that townread is invalid? I haven't explained it yet. Why are you assuming it's bad without hearing my explanation?

I am assuming it's bad because you were NOT able to swiftly explain it, because it was based on a single NAKED vote. Your "rvs" does not make it better because it was abudantly clear that we were PAST rvs. Another piece of BS. I told you that I wanted an explanation.
You refused by saying you would give an explanation soon, not doing so then and talking about other things instead. The only explanation I have to this is that you were unable to make a reasoning up and hoped that my suspicion would vanish.

I think it's time for mulch being brought at L-1.

It wasn't based on a naked vote, it was Carca's tone coming in. Why do you think I wasn't able to swiftly explain it?

[Mulch]

I mean I quite literally said, it's almost impossible to explain. What's wrong with that? It's a gut soul meta read

[Mulch]

Oh. Piss. I thought you meant carca... Pisskop had an entrance that was more similar to his town games than his scum game, specifically boons large normal game.

Anyway. Having gut reads aren't scummy.

[Mulch]

Why would I put attention on myself by not answering a question as scum.. I simply forgot about it and when I remembered thought it was about carca who I already explained. So point one is garbage

[Mulch]

Wtf why is answering a question directed at pisskop scummy. What's my scum motivation for doing that

[Mulch]

I also didn't intentionally try and defend him. I townread him early before that answeing of the question

[Mulch]

Honestly when mulch is scum he likes to overreact to things so id say hes town here. Unless ofcourse he loses his self control and starts overreacting to everything lol

Really? Didn't you play with me in the boon game where i self imploded?

[Mulch]

Like... Decently confident we are both town

[Mulch]

How is that a false dichtonomy lmao

[Mulch]

Meow isn't towny

[Mulch]

Wtf those are my highest town reads

[Mulch]

I’d bus Mulch for fun.

[Mulch]

How in the world do I have 3 votes. One for too many townreads, one for not explaining a townread, and one for dunkerdoodles

[Mulch]

how do you he's not scum if you aren't scum?

Psychic.

[Mulch]

Una, so you brought it up so that people wouldent waste time meta reading you?

[Mulch]

Also, I want to make clear that I’m not giving mulch a strong townread, it’s more of a null. Is everyone saying mulch is town very confidant he is town? Same question goes to the people on his bus.

I'm town. The reasons for voting me are shit and the longer the votes stay on me the more likely they come from scum

[Mulch]

Like they just really really are

[Mulch]

Also, I want to make clear that I’m not giving mulch a strong townread, it’s more of a null. Is everyone saying mulch is town very confidant he is town? Same question goes to the people on his bus.

I am confident that mulch is evil. Just look at my reasoning. I don't know how exactly these people get a townread on mulch but some or all of them might be fake townreads by mulch's partners. Or they rely too much on meta...

It doesn't help much that the mod is quite inactive, almost due a prod himself... so we won't get any replacements until he comes back. Which is bad for activity.

How are you confident just because I didn't answer a question immediately? I even answered it after you reminded me you can't possibly think it's scum indicative to forget/misunderstand a question?

[Mulch]

Someone needs to vig this dude holy shit

[Mulch]

Let's lynch Kamina

Can you explain to me why we should lynch Kamina over Mulch, who is clearly evil?

Why couldn't I have forgotten to answer your question?

[Mulch]

Let's lynch Kamina

Can you explain to me why we should lynch Kamina over Mulch, who is clearly evil?

Why couldn't I have forgotten to answer your question?

You could. It is just not very likely.
And even if it IS true: I don't trust your explanation. You still defended someone from a valid question with a wrong answer. You are still sus for mentioning multiball.

Why is it not likely for me to forget? Why is it a wrong answer? If it IS a wrong answer (don't even know at this point) why couldn't I have made a mistake? What's my scum motivation for answeing something incorrect factually? Why can't town have brought up multiball? What makes scum more likely to do it, considering that I was aware that scum could he doing it to signal and even had a paranoia theory against someone because of it?


About 7 questions for you to answer

[Mulch]

Why isn't NK allowed to scumread you

Do you really think your play has been beyond reproach

He’s allowed to scumread me. In fact, I don’t even scumread him . But I want him to come to terms with himself jay his push is bad and I’m trying to do that by having him answer these questions and realize his process is flawed

[Mulch]

Plus the more questions he answers the more insight I get into his mindset and therefore his alignment

[Mulch]

Why is it not likely for me to forget? Why is it a wrong answer? If it IS a wrong answer (don't even know at this point) why couldn't I have made a mistake? What's my scum motivation for answeing something incorrect factually? Why can't town have brought up multiball? What makes scum more likely to do it, considering that I was aware that scum could he doing it to signal and even had a paranoia theory against someone because of it?


About 7 questions for you to answer

1. Because you said you would answer it later. People usually remember such promises.

I actually did remember, but then I thought that you had asked about Carcalilly and I decided not to repeat myself because I had answered that so many times. I didn't realize you were talking about Pisskop. Would you mind linking me some games you've seen when you've seen town remember these types of promises? Another thing- what would I have had to gain from not answering them purposefully as scum? I gave an answer; I could have easily said this as scum as well, right? What would be my motiviation for waiting when I could just answer easily then?

2.Because the random voting stage was obviously over at that point the post was made.

I can't be arsed to go back and actually check, but I don't actually remember this being the case...at least not "obviously"

3.Mistakes like that are possible, but not likely. Because if you are town and actually defend someone from a perfectly valid question for some dumb reason(which is suspect in itself) then you would at least make sure that your answer is likely correct and believable. As Evil you probably didn't see how bad your reaction was because you had the wrong perspective, the evil perspective

Don't you think that it's actually scum who would make sure the answer is correct and believable? Why would I as town care so much about how my answers were perceived that I would want to polish it to make it correct and believable? Why would I have a different perspective as scum?
Take me through this situation from my point of view. As scum!Mulch you think I would have a different perspective- but didn't you just say that the problem was that I answered it incorrectly factually? What exactly "perspective" could I have had that could have meant I would answer a fact correctly as town but not as scum?

4.I don't think that you intended it to be incorrect. You probably just wanted to be seen as town for it. But no good town would have made such a questionable move. Townies are usually suspicious of each other, but even more, townies usually don't feel the pressure to answer questions directed at others because these answers would give them far more reads than shutting the discussion down like this. It just HARMS town.

Why would I be seen as town from this? I would like you to:

link me games where you have seen townies never answer questions directed at other people

. Note that I think that this is fully NAI and probably one of your worst points. I would also like to say that townies harm town all the time unintentionally. There is a difference between anti-town and scum. I may be "evil" in the sense I did something that is minisculally worse for the town than if I had not spoken and answered for Pisskop, but there is no way for you to judge that I did this intentionally as scum or unintentionally as town.
Under your logic, every town person who contributes to a mislynch inadvertently is "evil."

5.There is no reason to suspect multiball at day 1 for town at all(unless you are somehow an informed townie who knows there is multiball). And as a reaction test from town it is rather poor- every evil with a brain will know that this is an obvious trap by townies; there is no other usual explanation for this.
All it did was generating useless posts.

18 players is a weird number for 4 mafia (too much mafia) and 3 mafia (too little). I would imagine that their is either a third party, a traitor, or it's multiball (14-2-2 or 12-3-3). I want to know why you think TOWN, who actually have LESS knowledge about the game than scum do, would not be curious about the particulars of the setup? I also would like to know this. You say that it was a bad reaction test from me. However, you yourself think that I am scum possibly signalling for doing this. Dosen't this mean that others could? And that I could catch them if they could signal back? Why do you think you are the only one who thinks I could be scum signalling this?

6.Well,I think you did it because you thought that other people would think that you would not do it as evil...

I see where you are coming from. By saying "I don't know the setup", you are basically saying "i am town." However, this has been discussed extensively- I am LAMIST as town and as scum. It's part of my playstyle. You could also use this reasoning to scumread almost every single post in the game... saying that they are "trying to fit in". That's a one size fit all reasoning that is technically correct beacuse that is scum's main point but in practice not something you can actually use because there

is no truly discernible difference between town being town and scum trying to be town, unless you get behind their mindset and see if they REALLY could/likely did not think what they are thinking. And I have clearly explained my mindset on why I thought it could be multiball.

[Mulch]

Someone needs to vig this dude holy shit

Why isn't NK allowed to scumread you

Do you really think your play has been beyond reproach

He’s allowed to scumread me. In fact, I don’t even scumread him . But I want him to come to terms with himself jay his push is bad and I’m trying to do that by having him answer these questions and realize his process is flawed

Mulch certainly slipped up here. He asks for me to get vigged, and posts later he says that he doesn't scumread me?
Let's lynch him.

Correct, I don't scumread you and I still want you vigged

[Mulch]

Not known I expect a response from 363 or else your just ignoring me and that means your confirmed scum

[Mulch]

Mulch, we need to focus on getting Meow lynched. Don't get sidetracked in some TvT debate.

Right. But I want him to admit he's wrong

[Mulch]

I feel like Assemble/Fykus might be scum just by PoE, which is crazy at this point in the game day 1

[Mulch]

Can you answer the questions fully instead of vague one sentence answers- The red responses and subsequent questions were much more multi-faceted and complex than those responses would warrant.

[Mulch]

I'm not a good player?

[Mulch]

not

mulch being mulch)

[Mulch]

Not known I want you to mull over this stuff; I might continue this debate tomorrow but I definitely need at least a break from it today. I think it's probably annoying to everyone but me and you, and I get the feeling that nothing I am going to say is going to convince you anyway. But yeah in any case I really don't have the willpower to spend more and more time on this, at least right now.

[Mulch]

YES I WOULD

[Mulch]

Dedicate it to what lmao

[Mulch]

lol

[Mulch]

moz scum
acid scum
mulch scum
boon scum

if not mulch and boon probably a lurker as last scum

gg game solved

Literally all townreads

[Mulch]

well im sorry im so bad at this game

It's ok dunker.

[Mulch]

What is "wyt" and "es ist sehr whictig"

[Mulch]

dont know how to read him

[Mulch]

I think Acid is town

[Mulch]

I was about to come in and push Dunker, but I actually have been getting ScumMoz vibes, so I think he’s just not logically thinking town besides the Moz. This might actually give me opsome more relief on Moz, though.

With how hard people are trying to push off of Meow, indirectly even, I’m thinking we hit scum on Meow.

Dunker’s probably chainsawing, hoping something sticks.

Pretty bad post, Dunker woulden't do that

[Mulch]

And I'm pretty confident Moz is town.

[Mulch]

Also, people trying to defend/jump on/etc on Meow right now at this stage in the game has nothing to do with their allignment.

[Mulch]

So yeah, the post you stating ‘pretty bad post’ is a pretty bad post on your part not seeing other side of the tunnel. That’s a big reason i was able to beat you in that 1v1 in Why’s game, and why it absolutely didn’t matter if you knew I was scum or not there.

Nah, it was a good post. This seems like town!dunker to me, and also he did hardcore distancing with you as scum, not chainsawing and associating.

[Mulch]

Everything anyone does is from the alignment perspective that they know they are, even if it comes off as NAI to everyone else.

Obviously...

But:

Town!meow could be being pushed by scum or defended by scu
Scum!meow could be being bussed by scum or defended by scum

dosen't indicate anything

[Mulch]

So yeah, the post you stating ‘pretty bad post’ is a pretty bad post on your part not seeing other side of the tunnel. That’s a big reason i was able to beat you in that 1v1 in Why’s game, and why it absolutely didn’t matter if you knew I was scum or not there.

Nah, it was a good post. This seems like town!dunker to me, and also he did hardcore distancing with you as scum, not chainsawing and associating.

He chainsawed hard...don’t know what you’re talking about. Chainsawed and associated.

That was like our intention in that game when I was scum with him.

In a distancing way lol

[Mulch]

Might not be able to now, but it definitely can be important for later. I use that stuff so much late game.

Ok, so why are you using it to determine Meow's allignment now?

[Mulch]

Might not be able to now, but it definitely can be important for later. I use that stuff so much late game.

Ok, so why are you using it to determine Meow's allignment now?

I’m not using it determine Meow’s. I’m using it to determine the people on meow.

Can you say what you mean? Like I genuinely don't understand how people's reactions around Meow can determine any allignment right now...

[Mulch]

I said he chainsawed and associated, which you said he didn’t, and now you implied he did do that, but in a distancing way.

Chainsawing is the opposite of associating with town. It associates you with your scum partners

[Mulch]

Also, Mulch, it’s really scummy on your part to call out posts like that when you know I’m incredibly an all in reaction test player, and don’t care about Day 1’s.

Sadly, I believe you wouldn’t even think about that, and still lean town on you.

I never called you out in a scummy way, I called you out in a theory way. Stop being dumb

[Mulch]

Ur seeming scummier boon, your saying I'm scummy for non scummy things which is what you do as scum...

[Mulch]

Might not be able to now, but it definitely can be important for later. I use that stuff so much late game.

Ok, so why are you using it to determine Meow's allignment now?

I’m not using it determine Meow’s. I’m using it to determine the people on meow.

Can you say what you mean? Like I genuinely don't understand how people's reactions around Meow can determine any allignment right now...

You can literally analyze any post. As town, why did so and so say this? Could he say this as scum? Yes? Why would he say it as scum? To post something? To act like he’s town? How did said person respond to others after this? Is he playing to survive or is he hunting?

That’s why in the last game when you called one of my posts pointless, I hard disagree and still disagree. Absolutely none of my posts are pointless as either alignment, because I use it to either create discussion or to see how people respond to anything, even shit posts. I seek out the trajectories of people and see if what they say matches up to what they are trying to accomplish.

Ok. That's an explanation to "you should analyze people's posts". I'm objecting to: "people are trying to get off Meow, therefore they are likely to be scum" statement you made

[Mulch]

Ur seeming scummier boon, your saying I'm scummy for non scummy things which is what you do as scum...

I said I’m town reading you.

Yeah but you said calling you out was sucmmy because I should "know your meta" which is exactly what you did in WhyMafia's game

[Mulch]

Anyways I think this is just a theory disagreement. Probably. But ur not strong town anymore, only lean town

[Mulch]

Also, Mulch, it’s really scummy on your part to call out posts like that when you know I’m incredibly an all in reaction test player, and don’t care about Day 1’s.

Sadly, I believe you wouldn’t even think about that, and still lean town on you.

Ur seeming scummier boon, your saying I'm scummy for non scummy things which is what you do as scum...

You’re just paranoid of me now. In actuality, I’m actually just trying to get us on the same page. If you think I’d try to pocket you as scum, then sure.

It crossed my mind...

[Mulch]

It is pretty funny now that I think about it lol

[Mulch]

Oh snap

[Mulch]

Ok rask is town

[Mulch]

I'm not able to explain those reads, I'm sorry. They are general vibe reads that you can only get from playing with those people. If you scumread me for that, I understand. But it's impossible to put into words.

[Mulch]

I don't do "set" things as town or as scum. I change up how I play, But, I would trust the 90% of people here that who have PLAYED with me that are calling me town. They know I am town by meta. I tend to have explanations ready for everything as scum. That's one thing.

[Mulch]

Like Carca I've been scum with 3? times and I saw their town game in my mini normal. This is their town tone.

Dunker is doing those short posts and paranoia theories although I'm starting to wonder if they are trying to manipulate their meta.

Mozamis pushes bad things as scum and is pretty obvious their thought process when town.

Fykus? Had a good first post, but since then has dropped off. Unclear on him.

[Mulch]

Acid tries to be more solvy as scum.

[Mulch]

See way more of an even mix of scumreads and townreads from town mulch vs here but same for scum mulch... though logically it's probably useless as an indicator anyways because blatant hard buddying likely wouldn't be a strategy feasible to repeat across scumgames. Still feel like the reads here are intended to pocket thou

It's probably because in some games I have more scumreads and some more townreads

I;m not gonna keep the same porportion every game lol

[Mulch]

Hmm, mulch did you read all of my post before you responded?

I think so. No promises

[Mulch]

I think probably safe at this point to anti-preflip mulch and boonskiies.

Nope we could be town town or town scum

[Mulch]

How was Fykus’ first post good? That easily can be said from a scum perspective and still have basically the exact same meaning. It’s NAI 100%, and we won’t know what it truly is until he flips.

Gave me good gut vibes

[Mulch]

He brought up town meta?

[Mulch]

Sure I feel you. Kind of think it'd irrelevant though. Unless he tried to push you on it

[Mulch]

I completely understand his NK scumread (would generally expect that interpretation reading that NK vote

Can you go into more detail on this?

[Mulch]

Yeah, you can understand it, but it's not towny, either.

I think it's null. I honestly am reading him as null right now, but relative to my town reads they look scummy. Also a good gut vibe from wagon

[Mulch]

Pre flips exist as either linking or making them unlinked. So, your "pre flip" could be "anti pre flipped" the other way too

[Mulch]

Something wonky is going on with Fykus/Una/Boon. I bet there are 2 town and 1 scum there.

[Mulch]

What about meow

[Mulch]

Mulch, can you explain me how you got from post 345 to post 356?

I don't scumread you and I want you to be vigged.

[Mulch]

Gut feel this could be s/s even tho I townread you both

[Mulch]

im not really pushing any particular point, i just said you guys are scummy imo

also if i was scum, why would i be pushing boon and mulch of all people?

Was saying you and booon could be trying distancing rn

[Mulch]

I answered. It’s how he opportunistically jumped on my rvs wagon.

It wasn’t opportunistic at all. You can’t even be opportunistic in RvS

[Mulch]

His response was fine

[Mulch]

Meow is solely a PoE read for me. If you need some bullshit reasoning by Boon though in order to not lynch one of my townreads so be it haha

[Mulch]

Man the more Fykus posts the more I think he could be scum. Hopefully he clears up his allignment later game

[Mulch]

You die right if I’m town and then I’m confirmed town? That would be awesome, 2 birds with one stone

[Mulch]

AND I’m best when I’m confirmed cause I can work without being lynchbait

[Mulch]

I answered. It’s how he opportunistically jumped on my rvs wagon.

It wasn’t opportunistic at all. You can’t even be opportunistic in RvS

It wasn’t rvs at that point. That’s when it effectively left rvs.

No? And it was a RvS style vote. Your harping on particulars . But like I said, it doesn’t matter

[Mulch]

Cases are for scum. Your best play is when you don’t use cases and you ley reads form naturally

[Mulch]

I never said gut reads are good. I said cases are forced reasoning, or ie emulating scum

[Mulch]

What is “trajectory” ?

[Mulch]

Lot of words to just basicAlly say whether something is natural or not

[Mulch]

Also that last paragraph is full of shit. So is the third.

The other 2 aren’t bad, they are:

- mentality
- meta

Two good things to use.

[Mulch]

I’m often whimsical as scum hahahag

[Mulch]

That post basically was a huge ass post on meta

[Mulch]

Don’t know anything that paragraph just said

[Mulch]

What did 602 mean

[Mulch]

Which was the read accuracy game?

[Mulch]

shadows

I was town...

[Mulch]

Link the shadow game?

[Mulch]

Thought I was kind of whimsical then

[Mulch]

Although I did set out to try a new style.

[Mulch]

It's a collective posts thing @Acid based on meta. I've played with them as scum partners, and against them as scum. Their vibe is different. Same with Carca, their vibe is much different. Would have heavy confidence in both of them flipping town

[Mulch]

Why am I town?

[Mulch]

yes it is. sorry, i have played so mnay games now where scumlurk.
Obviously, it is abit of a craphoot Day 1. But it's a risk/reward thing. Our reward is very high if we hit scum, and our risk is very low idf we miss - we lynch useless town.
Also, I'm happy to lynch Meow, regsrdless of his role pm. If he's scum , he' s scum.
Town so often get bogged down by apathy and confusion. Tine we wait for a replacement, the deadline will be close. Then we wait for the rpelacemt to catch up. Then maybe we "give him the benfit of the doubt".
Fuck all of that. If we think he' scum, get rid of him.

[Mulch]

Xandroj could be a great wagon. Thoughts?

[Mulch]

Xandroj could be a great wagon. Thoughts?

I’m so paranoid of Mulch right now. I feel I shouldn’t be town reading him. Paranoia in mafia is the worst.

This is a good thing. I'm towny as scum

[Mulch]

VOTE: mulch
choo choo

[ insert trump gif]

[Mulch]

VOTE: mulch
choo choo

Not this shit again, even if you were right last time.

He also had a cop guilty on me -_-

[Mulch]

Xandroj could be a great wagon. Thoughts?

I’m so paranoid of Mulch right now. I feel I shouldn’t be town reading him. Paranoia in mafia is the worst.

This is a good thing. I'm towny as scum

This just points a giant middle finger to everyone reading you as scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mulch




Also, I wasn't really looking at the wagons, I was just skimming and I thought Dunker looked worse than Una.

What's scummy about my statement?

VOTE: XnandroX

[Mulch]

OK I'm lazy to quote up 25 pages of Boonskiies doing weird shit and people responding with weird shit and the amount of self-meta and NAI shit flying about is confusing me so I just did a quick skim and came up with a few preliminary reads.

Acid and Mulch is likely town here, even if I don't agree with most of what Mulch said. Raskol town too probs.

Boonskiies has just been playing according to how he plays basically every game, I don't want to read him for now.

I think Una and Dunker are scum, their posts seem to be less "hey look, there's scum" and more "Hey [insert player here], I think you're right"

VOTE: Dunker

Making a more thorough post when I actually get to analysing the important things. If anyone can tell me where the main highlights are please tell me because when I said skimming I literally meants glossing over anything remotely insignificant.

This is a bad post, especially consider Dunker went out and flat out accused 3 people of being scum.

[Mulch]

If you referred to self meta as NAI shit, why did you just scumread me for it?

[Mulch]

Between Fykus and Theta, he would have gotten a scum result whether or you were actually scum. That's what happens when a modified Jailkeeper, a Rolestopper, and a Loyal player all hit the same target.

what are your reads?

+1

Assembler, your iso is remarkably thin. You've talked a lot more about previous games than this game. You told us you were rereading in order to form some reads, but what happened?

If we are thinking about lynching a lurker, I'd suggest this one.

Can vouch he’s always like this. It’s about random chance he flips scum, perhaps a bit higher though will all the townreads I have

[Mulch]

I don't really see it like that. And I could see where Dunker is coming from

[Mulch]

so I’m going to try to read Mulch off of reading other players.

Which dosen't work.

[Mulch]

I think I like Una for town now, though.

I can see this. Uh, but he also has fooled me in the past so *shrug*

[Mulch]

so I’m going to try to read Mulch off of reading other players.

Which dosen't work.

It does if I POE and figure out if i think Jordan is a mislynch or not, and if you’re the one pushing the scum agenda or town tunneling, but if something pings me on the side, like if I see scum trying to take advantage of your push on Jordan, then I would probably be more comfortable town reading you. However, Una is in that spot that I just stated, but I do see TownUna there because of it. Yes, this does imply I am lean towning on Jordan.

So why are you townreading him based on scum pushing a mislynch if you think Una is town?

[Mulch]

And why are you leaning town on him?

[Mulch]

Mulch (replaces Vedith)

massive

XnadrojX

pisskop

Kaminaseigaku

acidphoenix

Assemblerotws

MeowMix

texcat

Boonskiies

Carcalilly

Fykus

UnaBombaH

Dunkerdoodles
mozamis

Not Known 15

wavemode

Raskolnikov

[Mulch]

And why are you leaning town on him?

More specifically, why are you so confident with him being town that you would be willing to townread me if you think there are people jumping opportunistically on it? Why don't you think it could have been ME that was being opportunistic scum? Or that Xandroj is scum and there are town jumping on it?

[Mulch]

I don't think we can just day1 una
If he's scum we could prob find out better later...

Maybe. What do you think about Fykus?

[Mulch]

And why are you leaning town on him?

More specifically, why are you so confident with him being town that you would be willing to townread me if you think there are people jumping opportunistically on it? Why don't you think it could have been ME that was being opportunistic scum? Or that Xandroj is scum and there are town jumping on it?

I do think that is a possibility. It’s why I’m increasingly becoming more paranoid of you, but I know that town you would do the situations I stated as well, which is why i cant figure out which one it is, which is why I have doubts on Jordan even more, if that makes sense. I’ve seen you tunnel town and scum this way when you’re town, actually, I feel like I’ve seen you town tunnel town more than you tunneling scum. To be fair, I feel you’ve given more on this than you usually do, so I don’t know if that’s you upping your town game or scum who can make cases better than you can as town. So that’s where I am with my paranoia on you. I really have no clue.

Why do you read Jord as town?

[Mulch]

IDK moz that post is pretty scummy

[Mulch]

assemble lurks as town

[Mulch]

VOTE: mozamis
choo choo

What about Fykus

[Mulch]

do you tr moz?

Yes

[Mulch]

IDK moz that post is pretty scummy

do you tr moz?

Yes

Why can’t I townread moz and think one of their posts is scummy?

[Mulch]

Catching up from 23.

@mulch see?

lmfao

VOTE: Massive

[Mulch]

moz a tempting vote but eh

massive lock town silly

i'm tempted to iso dunker, find his reads, and post a readslist with no independent thought

just literally the opposite of whatever dunker is saying except with dunker at lock town

[Mulch]

DEDICTED TO DAY ONE SCUM LYNCHES

[Mulch]

Lmfao hello town buddies!!!

[Mulch]

the reason i'm asking is cause i think you might be townreading me for towncred if i was ever to get lynched, or to kinda fit in, because i'm being mainly townread rn (atleast i think)

Your townread cause your town. OH DUNKER REALIZE THIS AND WE COULD BE MASONS. We are ALL TOWN. ACID MOZ ME YOU. PLEASE COME TOGETHER. We are TOWN. REALIZE THIS. We will WIN THIS GAME. We are ALL TOWN. PLEASE. NO PARANOIA. COME DUNKER !!!!

[Mulch]

n

[Mulch]

waiting for mulch and moz to finish talking in the scum pt be like...

Yeah we decided to lynch you

VOTE: dunker

[Mulch]

VOTE: fykus


SPICY

[Mulch]

i don't understand mUlch, you were voting for Massive, we were just begining to get a wagon on him going, now you vote fykus?

Idk . Fykus is pinging me

[Mulch]

I wanted to VOTE: massive too, but they townread me so I cant..

Busy times at work again..

i've literally voted everyone that town reads me...

VOTE: massive

[Mulch]

Yup, you should get vigged, and I think your town

[Mulch]

actually fuck it
VOTE: Mulch
If I'm wrong I'm sorry.

Would prefer unabomah
Could also wagon acidphoenix or maybe pisskop but looks like 0 interest there

You couldn’t catch me as scum if you tried

[Mulch]

Lmfao hello town buddies!!!

Mulch ur being awkward

Means I’m town

[Mulch]

Two days left

VOTE: massive

[Mulch]

Jamás
Maybe

[Mulch]

fykus?

I liked his last post, SORTA. Rather massive or James

[Mulch]

bleh I still don't like mulch but w/e

VOTE: Massive

Why

[Mulch]

bleh I still don't like mulch but w/e

VOTE: Massive

theres something about this post that pings my spidey senses.

VOTE: xnadrojx

Same

VOTE: xnadrox

[Mulch]

Acid is town. Also boon that last post was shit, you just tried to undo a wagon by saying people on it are scum and then said the allignment of the person does not matter if they are scum.


Vote Jordan

[Mulch]

Acid is town. Also boon that last post was shit, you just tried to undo a wagon by saying people on it are scum and then said the allignment of the person does not matter if they are scum.


Vote Jordan

Is Acid really town... or your scumbuddy? Their votes suggest that they are possible scum. Their behaviour hurts town. They have gotten very few votes so far.

Why don't you understand between anti town and scum?


Also, acid may be anti town, but they aren't scum

[Mulch]

Why do you think Jordan is town? Why aren't you adhering to your mentality of "we need a Lynch" now?

[Mulch]

Acid is town. Also boon that last post was shit, you just tried to undo a wagon by saying people on it are scum and then said the allignment of the person does not matter if they are scum.


Vote Jordan

Is Acid really town... or your scumbuddy? Their votes suggest that they are possible scum. Their behaviour hurts town. They have gotten very few votes so far.

Why don't you understand between anti town and scum?


Also, acid may be anti town, but they aren't scum

Give me evidence.

They are playing to their town meta.

[Mulch]

Back that up. They weren't helpful last time in newbie, and they were scum.
Also, we have just 2 votes on Jordan, and now one on acid. Not much difference. I think maybe scum shifted from one town to another mislynchable town.

Were they more active?

[Mulch]

Acid is fucking town

[Mulch]

Vote Jordan