Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

[Mulch]

I think Ras is likely town for that push on Mulch. I don’t think Mulch is scum, though, but I got the case.

This is exactly what I was thinking. I can see where they are coming from.

[Boonskiies]

Ok, I really like the train of thought your going with this. I'm gonna put you as town

I can see all the ways your going for this, and a lot of your ideas I had too when I was a much less experienced player (no offense intended).

This is probably gonna set you over the edge though

I don’t think it’s an experience thing. He has a 2015 join date. The case made sense. There’s no denying it. The only thing stopping that from being something a lot of us would follow through on is the question, “Would Mulch be doing that as town?” That answer...is yes. So it kind of makes the case turn into circular reasoning.

[Boonskiies]

I don’t necessarily think Mulch is too familiar with pisskop and massive, though. Which also changes the case, but I get why that could be seen.

[Mulch]

Not really. Being friendly isn't AI, buddying isn't AI, being LAMIST isn't allignment indicative.

Unsubstantiated townreads ARE allignment indicative, but it's another thing where you have to ask: COULD they be doing this as town? Yes. COULD they be doing this as scum? Yes. So, I woulden't say that all my townreads are neccecarily towny, but not neccecarily scummy. Same with things like gut reads. Yeah, scum can do them. But town can do them too. It becomes a problem when these things are repeated in a pattern over the course of a game.

[Raskolnikov]

I probably should meta this for due diligence but I'm getting a scumgloating vibe here.

[Mulch]

I don’t necessarily think Mulch is too familiar with pisskop and massive, though. Which also changes the case, but I get why that could be seen.

I feel Pisskop is town this game, not sure on Massive

[Mulch]

I probably should meta this for due diligence but I'm getting a scumgloating vibe here.

Man, I'm trying my best to explain this to you here. I would take a step away, stop trying to look at my posts with the perspective of "could Mulch be scum saying this" and more "could Mulch be town saying this". That tends to help me with confirmation bias.

[Mulch]

You would be surprised about how your interpretation of tone changes when you already think someone is scum or town

Everything they say is towny or scummy accordingly.

[mozamis]

Why? How did you pick me out of your long list of lurkers? Do you know that I've never played a game without being voted for lurking?

you're just popping in occasionally with some not very useful content. just getting a whiff from you of scum prod dodging.

[mozamis]

About as likely as any other non town reads. Except meow slightly scummier for that comment

you gonna vote for tex or meow then?

[Boonskiies]

He’s already voting Meow, I thought?

Also, I’m more town on massive, and on the not sure on Pisskop as of right now.

[mozamis]

This guy is full of shit and IDK why he's not getting called on it

You'll note Mulch wasnt in my town bloc.
I've been avoiding the "Mulch dilema" becuase he's that rare beast, a genuinely good and ACTIVE scum player.
All of what you said could be true, he could be scum. But he's probably a good town player too, so i wanted to give him the benfit of the doubt for a while.

[mozamis]

So Moz, Boon, Mulch, Notknown, Rask = Prob town will not vote Today.

lol ok so he was.
maybe he should be null. i still dont really want to lynch him tho, he could be really useful if he is town.

[mozamis]

So, to conclude:

1) Why do you think that the townreads are neccecarily buddying and not just townreads?

2) Why do you have a problem with town putting town in townblocs, or with LAMIST statements, especially ones that are easily noticeable and I could get called out on?

3) Why would town not want to talk about multiball or setup spec day 1?

actually, screw it, this looks more direct than ScumMulch. Scummulch is much more prone to spam and vague BS.
He is here directly and logically responding to Ras' statements, no doging or going "LMAO I@M GONNA VOT UNVOTe 4 people in a row and post a load of gifs" which is more his scum game.
Maybe.
O rmaybe I ma so deep in his pocket i can tickle his balls lol

[mozamis]

But joking aside, i would say Mulch town.
Ras is clealry otown.
Some votes on Tex would be good.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Good case on mulch. Mulch does seem a bit off from his regular town game, can't quite put my finger on it tho

[Not Known 15]

Good case on mulch. Mulch does seem a bit off from his regular town game, can't quite put my finger on it tho

I have to agree here that mulch seems quite scummy, one of those I suspect is Mulch.
But I can put the finger on what was very suspicious, in fact I already did... in post 105. That townread was also never explained. Which lets me suspect that it wasn't genuine. Especially because they said they would explain and then never did, probably because they could not do it. Which is a major case for Mulch being evil.

Not Known 15 hey can you be a dear and explain your current feelings about Una pls

Their first post were not helpful.
An "Agreement" post with nothing else(170)
Don't like this 153 strategy at all but he is insisting that he is not using it now. So why did he bring it up?
I think Una could be evil.

I will move from Dunker from the time being, even if the quick counterwagon still concerns me
I also would like an explanation for the switch from Post 210 to the quote of the top.
Dunkerdoodles, if you read this, better come up with one!
Based on that above, my number 1 read is now Mulch.
VOTE: Mulch

[Mulch]

Why can’t unexplained townreads be genuine?

[Kaminaseigaku]

Ooooh, really close to catching up! So far brutal case against Mulch, Rask. I feel nullish about it though, I want to believe but my gut is telling me it is just friendliness at the beginning of the game.

[Carcalilly]

Mulch looks fine to me.

[Carcalilly]

Trust me ik mulch and I don't think they're scuming this game.

[wavemode]

Right now I like Meow Dunker Rask Boon NK15 for town. Lets be friends boys

Kamina is pinging me

VOTE: Kaminaseigaku

[wavemode]

Ok, I really like the train of thought your going with this. I'm gonna put you as town

I can see all the ways your going for this, and a lot of your ideas I had too when I was a much less experienced player (no offense intended).

This is probably gonna set you over the edge though

Vig shoot this

[massive]

can we get a wagon going on Texcat please?

Why? How did you pick me out of your long list of lurkers? Do you know that I've never played a game without being voted for lurking?

sounds scummy to me tbh

if he was town he wouldn't care

See, that's where you're wrong. As someone who also gets voted in every game for lurking, I can tell you that it's actually a really good thing to care about.

Multiball is generally more of a scum concern if it hasn't been confirmed and bringing it up d1 suggests extra information that points to it. Not impossible but not the crux of my vote either.

Scum already know if it's multiball mate.

Kamina is pinging me

Right? How savage does a case need to be for him to feel it?

VOTE: Kamina

[Not Known 15]

Why can’t unexplained townreads be genuine?

I have asked you something in post 105: How you did get a specific townread. A townread based on one naked vote. On someone who then got asked in 73 why naked and you said "rvs". And you did not answer. I think that you, Mulch, are evil, made some valid townreads(perhaps) and filled them up with some BS townreads to look like town and to valadilate [post]34[post]. And that you slipped up when doing so by adding someone who had no valid townread case on them.