In post 2331, Mulch wrote: In post 2314, Toranaga wrote:I know mulch;amrock from MU, he is good or at least not supposed to do the many awful things he did d1 wrt Hav
It's not awful, it just ended up awful. There's a difference
I don't know why a player like you needs to be told the basics, but here we go:
1 - very short days are pro-scum because it gives town less information to work with. while too much information can be detrimental and very long gamedays can also be pro-scum because of player disinterest, goldfish memory etc, you can't believe it's reasonable to lynch anyone as early as Havo was threatened to be lynched. that was two days into a 2 week long gameday, and most posters weren't even active enough for decisions like that to be made at all.
2 - Your push for a hardclaim makes no sense under those circumstances because town has time to determine whether Havo's play throughout the gameday is towny enough to let it go or scummy enough to force a hardclaim out of him, which isn't even something that has to be done d1 at all on the sheer likelihood he just eats the NK and his slot is cleared that way. While it is definitely exploitable to never lynch a claimed PR, no one has ever suggested that.
3 - Havo's soft PR claim was entirely reasonable and believable. he was put on L-1 and didn't want to hardclaim his way out of it. what would you do as a PR in that spot? would you not claim in any way? just let someone MAJ you early d1?
Your posts during that time are, quite frankly, bizzare:
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I want Havo to fullclaim. That "it would be bad to lynch me" is scum 101 and I hate it. And it's coincidentally what I did as scum in Giga's game (for those that were with me then).
Havo, I am fully aware that you could be town who was thrust in this position. However, I think there is a decent chance of scum who was railroaded for the wrong reasons. I know I would HATE to be called that as town, beacuse it means the reasons are shit- which they are. But your tone is in defending is horrible and this claim is bullshit.[/quote]
In post 189, Mulch wrote: In post 183, Havo wrote:If anyone wants to post reads fine, have at it, but don't accuse me of being scum just because I haven't posted a facking read list by hour 36.
And the claim's not bullshit.
That's not why I scumread you, and the claim is bullshit 101. You heavily softed power role, I want you to claim. Now.
In post 268, Mulch wrote:VOTE: havo
Hardclaim or I will tunnel you for the rest of the day
In post 269, Mulch wrote:People who think that scum can't be the first wagon are bad at this game
^this one is quite a bizarre misinterpretation of what Maria was saying and, guess what, she was 100% right.
In post 273, Mulch wrote:
The hardclaim: Force you to claim so if your scum you can't switch up your claim later or avoid getting counterclaimed.
The tunnel: Dually put pressure on you and ~hopefully~ lynch scum if need be
In post 276, Mulch wrote: In post 274, Havo wrote:So you're completely fine with outing me? No matter what role I could be?
No, once you claim a very important power role and are not cced, most likely I will unvote
just a series of really bizarre posts forcing a hardclaim out of someone with incredibly thin reasons for the scumread itself. 'scummy defense' of a player you simply don't know and who wasn't reacting in a scummy way - except maybe overdefensive which could be explained by being a PR - and your level of confidence in that very bad read is offputting. You did a great job for the mafia team right there. if you did it for 'theoretical' reasons, well your theory is dumb shit dude.
Also, around these pages you're working a full on pro-scum agenda, strong townreading flipped scum (skitter) and strong scumreading flipped town (havo, maria).
You were also bold enough to cast shade on Havo's full claim, still push him, and vote him after he hardclaimed... I can't understand how you could be so dense:
In post 417, Mulch wrote:
What a thing to come back to. Why the fuck should I be a lynch?
Keep in mind I haven't read much.
Are you still trying to push me as scum for a theory disagreement?
In post 418, Mulch wrote: In post 414, Fykus wrote:I think havos lying. The claim is convenient, his overreaction to the whole ordeal seems really disingenuious.
None of this matters though so ill hold off on my vote until tomorrow
Why dosent this matter, wtf?
^ and here is just dense from you. if Havo is a cop claim, he gets resolved at night. it's not hard to understand why and YOU KNOW WHY. you've been around.
In post 430, Mulch wrote:
It's not my fault if your town. I was deciding but then you said you were vote parking on me and never reconsidering, let alone for a theory disagreement, effectively forcing me to vote you back and pray to God your scum and not some misguided horrible town with a bizzare claim.
a -theory disagreement-. you go full on powerwolfing in the village and then call it 'theory'. you're not gonna hide youself behind a 'theory' you claim to have. this is no theory, this is just wolf. still voting and trying to get a claimed cop lynched are we mulch. and this is 'theory' is it mulch.
In post 438, Mulch wrote:You guys can do whatever you want, I'm effectively locked into voting him :/
literally LOCKED INTO VOTING a d1 SOD cop claim. this is so fucking unreasonable it hurts my head to even consider the possibility mulch is town here. this is openwolfing.
