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humaneatingmonkey · Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:55 pm

I don't want to read Mulch's ISO. Too much work. I'll just say these points:

1. I agree about Havo needing to hardclaim. His softclaim wasn't believable enough, especially since he was flaky about the mechanics of his role when he was upfront about the whole name. If you can tell us that you're a Loyal Town Cop, why can't you tell us how it works? You're dead anyway. He was just a bad town player.
2. He needs to stay if he can't use both night actions in one night.
3. The Toranaga-Mulch duel looked town vs town to me.

I'm PM-ing mastina, the mod for that game, to ask if the fruit vendor can use both night actions at the same time.

Thor665 · Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:17 pm

In post 2445, Chip Butty wrote:Are you sure miller depowers gunsmith? Don't they return a true 'no gun' result? Cop yes, but gunsmith?

On average Millers are like reverse Godfathers - what can be considered a guilty is returned.
Considering our Cop had a Loyalty modifier I'd wager any amount you cared to that the Gunsmith would have gotten a 'gun' result from our Miller.
To be perfectly frank, I'd wager that scum have a Godfather, considering the Loyal modifier.

Chip Butty · Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:25 pm

MOD, what would a miller return to a gunsmith inv in this game?

Chip Butty · Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:30 pm

From the wiki, miller throws off cop invs. Anything more requires a speciality, like tracker miller. And WM only claimed plain miller.

Sergtacos · Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:35 pm

In post 2248, Mulch wrote:viewtopic.php?p=9158679#p9158679

Another

@Monkey

Read the mafia chat in that game. I'm guessing based on that, scum fruit vendor can't kill and give fruit at the same time?

Thor665 · Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:39 pm

In post 2453, Chip Butty wrote:From the wiki, miller throws off cop invs. Anything more requires a speciality, like tracker miller. And WM only claimed plain miller.

What wiki are you reading?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller
Literally it says it could just be called a Miller and return 'gun' to gunsmiths.

Chip Butty · Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:14 pm

Edited d1 lynch:

MariaR

(7): Chip Butty, Mulch, Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee, Misère,

skitter30

,

Fykus

(LYNCH)

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): humaneatingmonkey

Fykus

(2): Toranaga, Sergtacos

skitter30

(1): WhyMafia

Chip Butty

(1):

Havo

Misère

(1):

MariaR

Chip Butty · Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:18 pm

In post 2455, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2453, Chip Butty wrote:From the wiki, miller throws off cop invs. Anything more requires a speciality, like tracker miller. And WM only claimed plain miller.
What wiki are you reading?
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller
Literally it says it could just be called a Miller and return 'gun' to gunsmiths.

Okay, it says some mods might do that. I missed that. But you're just as wrong as me for assuming THIS mod is defining miller like that.

I've submitted the question; let's see what the mods says applies in this game.

Thor665 · Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:20 pm

I'm not assuming it, I offered reasoning for why I concluded it.

Chip Butty · Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:29 pm

I think the miller and loyal cop play off each other. Not convinced the GS is involved. But let's see what mod says.

Thor665 · Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:33 pm

Miller and loyal cop actually defeat the point of Miller.

humaneatingmonkey · Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:49 pm

idk miller is an acceptable claim AT THE START OF THE DAY if coincidentally there's a loyal cop.

Aristophanes · Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:12 pm

Due to external circumstances and by no fault of their own, I have to force replace lime in da coconut.

Please do not ask, discuss, or theorize on this replacement until after the game is over.

Thanks for understanding!

Chip Butty · Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:31 pm

In post 125, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.03

Lynching

humaneatingmonkey
(5): WhyMafia, Thor665, Mulch, BlueBloodedToffee, fykus
L-2

Havo
(3): Misère, Toranaga, humaneatingmonkey

WhyMafia
(1): skitter30

MariaR
(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting
(3): Havo, MariaR, Creative

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
skitter30 is the new Robbnav. Please welcome her.

In post 150, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.04

Lynching

Havo
(5): Misère, Toranaga, humaneatingmonkey, WhyMafia, Chip Butty
L-2

humaneatingmonkey
(4): Thor665, Mulch, BlueBloodedToffee, fykus

WhyMafia
(1): skitter30

Not Voting
(3): Havo, MariaR, Creative

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Seeking replacement for Creative

Here is where skitter took Havo to L-1 and Havo hard softclaimed (twice).

In post 203, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.05

By special request! If you have any music suggestions, please let me know.

Lynching

Havo
(4): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, WhyMafia, Chip Butty
L-2

humaneatingmonkey
(2): Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee

skitter30
(2): Fykus, MariaR

BlueBloodedToffee
(1): Toranaga

MariaR
(1): Mulch

Not Voting
(2): Havo, Sergtacos, skitter30

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

Toranaga and skitter have jumped off, which is NAI. Misere seems to be MIA by this point. HEM, WM, CB staying the course so far. This is towny because Havo had already claimed the most important role, which was all scum needed. Why hang around to be on a controversial greenflip wagon?

In post 225, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.06

So this is not necessarily a classic, but given that we are approaching Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur I felt that it was appropriate to play some Jewish music.

Lynching

Havo
(4): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, WhyMafia, Chip Butty
L-3

humaneatingmonkey
(2): Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee

skitter30
(2): Fykus, MariaR

BlueBloodedToffee
(1): Toranaga

MariaR
(1): Mulch

Not Voting
(2): Havo, Sergtacos, skitter30

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

In post 250, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.07

Some broadway music to lighten up the game. Enjoy!

Lynching

Havo
(4): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, WhyMafia, Chip Butty
L-3

humaneatingmonkey
(2): Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee

skitter30
(2): Fykus, MariaR

BlueBloodedToffee
(1): Toranaga

MariaR
(1): Mulch

Not Voting
(2): Havo, Sergtacos, skitter30

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

In post 351, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.08

Some more broadway music to lighten up the game. Enjoy!

Lynching

Havo
(4): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, Chip Butty, Mulch

skitter30
(3): Fykus, MariaR, Thor665

humaneatingmonkey
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee
(1): Toranaga

Sergtacos
(1): WhyMafia

Mulch
(1): Sergtacos

Not Voting
(2): Havo, skitter30

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

WM has dropped off, and Mulch has hopped on. It would be outstanding, perhaps even insane, for scum.Mulch to jump on at this point. So yeah, possible lol. But no, don't think so.

In post 425, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.09

Some more broadway music to lighten up the game. Enjoy!

Lynching

Havo
(3): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, Mulch

skitter30
(3): Fykus, MariaR, Thor665

humaneatingmonkey
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Sergtacos
(1): WhyMafia

Mulch
(2): Sergtacos, Havo

Misère
(1): Toranaga

Not Voting
(1): skitter30, Chip Butty

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

In between the last two VCs Havo hard hardclaimed and i dropped off the wagon. Apart from misere (MIA) the others remaining on Havo are going balls-to-the-wall if they are scum. ie Mulch and HEM.

In post 450, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.10

Some more broadway music to lighten up the game. Enjoy!

Lynching

Havo
(3): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, Mulch

skitter30
(3): Fykus, MariaR, Thor665

humaneatingmonkey
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Sergtacos
(1): WhyMafia

Mulch
(2): Sergtacos, Havo

Misère
(1): Toranaga

Not Voting
(1): skitter30, Chip Butty

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

In post 475, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.10

Lynching

Havo
(3): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, Mulch

skitter30
(3): Fykus, MariaR, Thor665

humaneatingmonkey
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Sergtacos
(1): WhyMafia

Mulch
(2): Sergtacos, Havo

Misère
(1): Toranaga

Not Voting
(2): skitter30, Chip Butty

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Thor665 is V/LA. Stay safe!
Sergtacos is the new Creative

In post 500, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.11

Lynching

Havo
(3): Misère, humaneatingmonkey, Mulch

skitter30
(3): Fykus, MariaR, Thor665

humaneatingmonkey
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Sergtacos
(1): WhyMafia

Mulch
(2): Sergtacos, Havo

Misère
(1): Toranaga

Not Voting
(2): skitter30, Chip Butty

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

In post 628, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.12

Lynching

skitter30
(4): Fykus, MariaR, Thor665, Toranaga

Havo
(2): Misère, humaneatingmonkey

humaneatingmonkey
(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Sergtacos
(1): Mulch

Mulch
(1): Sergtacos

MariaR
(1): WhyMafia

Toranaga
(1): skitter30

BlueBloodedToffee
(1): Chip Butty

Not Voting
(1): Havo

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Mulch finally drops off, leaving just HEM andisere (MIA).

In post 642, Virtuoso wrote:
Vote count has been posted

In post 641, Misère wrote:@MOD Speaking entirely hypothetically, if a Loyal Cop were to target a Town Miller, what sort of result would they get? (Specifically, would it be identical to the result for targeting a Mafia Goon?)

Hypothetically a loyal cop's action will only work if he targets town players. A town miller yields a guilty result even for the loyal cop. Loyal cops get no results on mafia, serial killers, ascetics (either faction), and when they are roleblocked by any means.

In post 725, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.15

Lynching

skitter30
(3): Fykus, Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee
(2): Sergtacos, Havo

MariaR
(3): WhyMafia, Chip Butty, Mulch

Havo
(1): humaneatingmonkey

Toranaga
(1): skitter30

humaneatingmonkey
(1): MariaR

Not Voting
(1): Misère, Toranaga

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

Now even misere has dropped off, leaving just HEM. That is super foolhardy if he is scum.

In post 750, Virtuoso wrote:
VC 1.16

Lynching

skitter30
(3): Fykus, Thor665, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee
(2): Sergtacos, humaneatingmonkey

MariaR
(3): WhyMafia, Chip Butty, Mulch

Sergtacos
(1): Mulch

Toranaga
(1): skitter30

humaneatingmonkey
(1): MariaR

Chip Butty
(1): Havo

Not Voting
(1): Misère, Toranaga

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in
: (expired on 2017-09-24 15:12:59)

Mod Notes
: Keep it fun.

And, finally, the Havo wagon dies.

I don't think anything here clears the misere/havingfitz slot at all, since they could have been lurking on the Havo wagon.

I think HEM and Mulch both come out looking okay from this. Me too.

It strikes me as odd that Toranaga is the only one who seems utterly outraged by the votes on the evolving Havo wagon post "softclaim". He has been trying to use it as a club to beat on first me then Mulch and Havo for over two weeks. And he and skitter were the only ones who jumped off the Havo wagon really quickly post softclaim, which is what i would expect scum to do. I think Toranaga comes out looking worst from this.

Sorry for the quote wall but i felt it needed to be done. I abridged the VC list slightly to avoid too much duplication.

Aristophanes · Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:32 pm

Porkens replaces lime in da coconut!
Welcome them to the game

Chip Butty · Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:32 pm

In post 2460, Thor665 wrote:Miller and loyal cop actually defeat the point of Miller.

Are you saying the miller claim is bogus?

Aristophanes · Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:34 pm

Also, Chip Butty, I know that it is not in the ruleset, but #800080 (commonly written as "purple") is my modding colour and I would appreciate it if you refrained from using it.

Sorry for not specifying this previous to this point, but thanks for understanding!

edit - I know your colour is different but it is similar enough for me to ask that it not be used.

Chip Butty · Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:37 pm

^^^2nd last para should read 'Mulch and HEM'...

Chip Butty · Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:39 pm

In post 2466, Aristophanes wrote:
Also, Chip Butty, I know that it is not in the ruleset, but #800080 (commonly written as "purple") is my modding colour and I would appreciate it if you refrained from using it.

Sorry for not specifying this previous to this point, but thanks for understanding!

edit - I know your colour is different but it is similar enough for me to ask that it not be used.

Okay, sorry. Are you in a position to answer the gunsmith-fruit vendor question? ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Chip Butty · Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:41 pm

I thought the colour i used was pink but I'll use orange or something next time...

Aristophanes · Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:51 pm

VC 3.4

Lynching

Sergtacos

(2): Thor665, Mulch

Porkens

(1): humaneatingmonkey

Mulch

(1): Sergtacos

humaneatingmonkey

(1): WhyMafia

Not Voting

(4): Toranaga, Porkens, Chip Butty, havingfitz

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

The day 3 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-10-15 20:30:00)

Mod Notes

: Keep it fun! Please let me know if I mess up. The automatic vote counter doesn't work

havingfitz is V/LA until Wednesday

In post 2468, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 2466, Aristophanes wrote:
Also, Chip Butty, I know that it is not in the ruleset, but #800080 (commonly written as "purple") is my modding colour and I would appreciate it if you refrained from using it.

Sorry for not specifying this previous to this point, but thanks for understanding!

edit - I know your colour is different but it is similar enough for me to ask that it not be used.
Okay, sorry. Are you in a position to answer the gunsmith-fruit vendor question? ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Could you quote it for me? I am going to bed very soon and it would speed things up greatly!

In post 2469, Chip Butty wrote:I thought the colour i used was pink but I'll use orange or something next time...

I appreciate it! As I say, I know it is different, but it is just a little too close for my liking.
You essentially used a purpl-y pink and I use a pink-y purple, so they two, while different, are too similar.
Thanks again for understanding, and sorry for the inconvenience!

Chip Butty · Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:00 pm

Yep, you're absolutely right. Now i realise when i chose that colour i was only thinking of Virtuoso's colour. Sorry! I use that purple-pink colour a lot because not many mods reserve it. Hopefully this is okay?

Aristophanes · Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:02 pm

In post 2471, Chip Butty wrote:
Yep, you're absolutely right. Now i realise when i chose that colour i was only thinking of Virtuoso's colour. Sorry! I use that purple-pink colour a lot because not many mods reserve it. Hopefully this is okay?

Far better!
Thanks man! <3

Chip Butty · Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:11 pm

In post 2452, Chip Butty wrote:MOD, what would a miller return to a gunsmith inv in this game?

@Aristophanes: Sorry, missed your request to post this...

Porkens · Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:06 pm

Hi. I am Vanilla Town. Here is my reads list:

WhyMaf

Torg

Thor

Misere - HavingFitz
tacos
humaneatingmonkey

Mulch
Chip

Vote: Chip