A Mid-Scummer Night's Dream - D.S. al Fine

[serrapaladin]

Meh.

Alright drealm, let's go through this: what's your view on how this game makes any sense then? You think scum get to direct roles? What then stops them from always killing their target? (I agree it's possible given the targets, but would seem like a horrible design.)

[drealmerz7]

This is accurate.

wait...what happened to *knowing what is going on* first?

clearly you just ISOd sakura so you could find this

[drealmerz7]

wait do we actually have actual that sakura was directing the powers?

[drealmerz7]

math, then why not just say "wait let me ISO my predecessor to make sure they've actually claimed" ?

[serrapaladin]

I don't want to metagame too much, but I should point out that I had to poke morph for them to tell me which dreams NachoTammy voted for.

We have Sakura knowing Reg got his, but I guess there's no evidence it's directed rather than that she just gets knowledge.

[serrapaladin]

But actually, I also asked morph whether "A randomly selected dream-receptive player will acquire a 1-shot ability." contradicts Sakura's claimed role, and was told it wouldn't according to the special rules (in particular rule 11 iirc).

[serrapaladin]

So I'm fairly confident that the role is real, given that rule 12 otherwise doesn't make sense.

[MathBlade]

Eh, I don't really agree with that, I think we're badly lacking power here and think her role to a degree solves that, my issue is more with the usage of her role and play throughout the game than the claim itself.

So who is scum in a town!lld world then? And does LLD genuinely believe that Ceph's role makes more sense as scum?

VOTE: LLD

Hey mathblade, can you please asap claim your role and actions.

I don't ever claim without reading.

Why is LLD at L-1 before I replace in unless I am confirmed Town?

18 players generally means 4 or more scum at game start and one scum dead at day open means likely three plus? scum alive means if LLD Town me scum then we lose?

Can someone please Unvote so I can read and see if it is appropriate to claim?

In addition to your lack of math.

There has been a full claim and you can have claiming work in your benefit by matching up with your predecessor without going through the game.

And if there wasn't a claim I give a shit ton of information to scum so no. I am reading.

@Drealmerz I did.

[MathBlade]

Has flavor been claimed? Still reading.

[MathBlade]

This is accurate.

wait...what happened to *knowing what is going on* first?

clearly you just ISOd sakura so you could find this

The entire point was to make sure my predecessor actually claimed. I was hoping they didn't because /reasons

[drealmerz7]

hmmm

[serrapaladin]

Haven't flavour claimed iirc, but then the flipped scum was super-evil-fear-eating-Doctorr-Who-villain.

[MathBlade]

Mass flavor claim (or summary) would be epic right about now imho.

[MathBlade]

Haven't flavour claimed iirc, but then the flipped scum was super-evil-fear-eating-Doctorr-Who-villain.

I will even go first.

I replaced into one of the best mathematicians of all time.

Rene Descartes.

That makes me super happy

[MathBlade]

Oh if you want my flavor claim, I'm dominick cobb, the leonardo decaprio character from Inception.

Funny you got a wheel of time character when you talk about that so much.

But there you have it friends, I am not scum.

This needs rope I believe.

[drealmerz7]

ok well read the game and give your assessment and why you think that when you can

[MathBlade]

ok well read the game and give your assessment and why you think that when you can

Answer your own question:

There have been a lot of claims why don't you flavor claim?

[serrapaladin]

You really think there wouldn't be fake claims when one of the roles was almost literally a dream eater and firmly evil? Cobb from Inception is a bit grey in parts, but still firmly a good guy. I'm a guy called Paul Tholey who did research on Gestalt psychology and lucid dreaming.

[MathBlade]

Most of the dreams are one shot abilities. Those can't be bad. If it's not, vote it down.

Also, there's no one I'm townreading so strongly that having a suspect removed would be bad.

It's not as simple as "see something bad vote it down", hasn't worked that way the entire game really. Think about the dream we received today, if we get anything remotely similar tomorrow we potentially lose from it. There's potential upside from no lynching here (Good dream, reducing numbers) but it's silly to state there's no downside involved and I think the risks involved make it not really worth it since at the end of the day if I'm losing I want it to be because I've misread someone, not because I've NL'ed and welp the game ended at night. Your stance is slightly more understandable with the "No one I'm confident is town" but I'm already at the stage where if a certain few people are scum I've already lost us the game and think there should be far more talk about peoples reads if we're lynching today then what's been put forth. Am growing increasingly frustrated by the fact that people (not yourself particularly but the room in general) have ignored them entirely.

Nah we're not lynching anyone but lld today. In a town - lld world no lynch is definitely the move

Run me through this a little more since the only argument I can see here is "If she's town she targets someone else if we NL and we get more information" but that's kind of meh in that if we're NL'ing she shouldn't be hiding at all since if she's town and we NL and she hides behind someone if it's mafia we outright lose, if it's town mafia shoot that person and two people die and we lose. So like, isn't the opposite the case? If we're playing in the LLD!Town world lynching elsewhere here is the move since it means she can hide tonight if we hit.

This puts a lot on my shoulders Regfan. Do you realize this?

If we lynch we lynch hebichan.

[MathBlade]

You really think there wouldn't be fake claims when one of the roles was almost literally a dream eater and firmly evil? Cobb from Inception is a bit grey in parts, but still firmly a good guy. I'm a guy called Paul Tholey who did research on Gestalt psychology and lucid dreaming.

Oh I do think there would be fake claims. At this point even with 6 to lynch if we lynch and are wrong that means 3 likely scum v 6 alive tomorrow barring scum stupidity.

I am looking for something in particular about the flavor claims and I think Hebi's is weird.

[drealmerz7]

curious what page you're up to atm

[Cephrir]

Hoooooooboy.

[Cephrir]

Maybe don't make giant assertions about who we are lynching before you read the game.

[MathBlade]

FMPOV if we lynch incorrectly we lose.
We lynch correctly and the fate of future days is on who I pick.

If we no lynch the future days is on who I pick.

So I want to make sure the cards are on the table.

[serrapaladin]

@dreal: Could you comment further on how you think the game works with Sakura's role as scum?