TBD Mafia 2 [game over]

[Desperado]

aye, not liking the level of desp's lurksackness at all, but it is a large game with a bunch of

bozos

swell folks so it's hard to say for sure this early what his dealeo is

rm being a useless lurksack too

thought you meant this game

this post

right here

is you shading me

even tho you think scum can't have guns and i have a gun

[Srceenplay]

Who else hinted or claimed 3p.
Anyone remember so I don't have to dig through the massive thread.

[drealmerz7]

that's not me shading you that's me calling you out for being a useless lurksack and saying I don't like it

[Desperado]

that's not me shading you that's me calling you out for being a useless lurksack and saying I don't like it

who cares what you like if i'm town tho?

[Desperado]

and that was hardly you calling me out, you equivocated immediately

it's the definition of shading

[drealmerz7]

that's not me shading you that's me calling you out for being a useless lurksack and saying I don't like it

who cares what you like if i'm town tho?

wtf?

townies should

I want you to play the game and contribute

I can not like that you're not

[Randomnamechange]

inb4 prod

[Randomnamechange]

p sure the arguments atm are tvt for the most part.

[drealmerz7]

which arguments would those be, rm?

[Chickadee]

which arguments would those be, rm?

YOU AND EDDIE


I THOUGHT TVT AS WELL

[Randomnamechange]

^ that, chess etc

[mastina]

Youre assuming everyone used that same logic? Not bloody likely

Of course not everyone is. But everyone fucking SHOULD be, unless they care to present a counterargument to my reasoning here.

[Vecna]

Given how everyone suddenly jumped on Dunker: Snarky = scum

[mastina]

AND MASTINA WHY WOULD A PROTECTIVE ROLE CLAIM TO JAVE SAVED SOMEONE WHEN THERE WERE TWO KILLS ALREADY

Because.

BULB CLAIMED TO KILL MULCH WITH A VIG SHOT.

Literally answered your own question.

Bulbazak shot Mulch.
There is one unaccounted for kill: Vaxkiller. If we assume that the Vaxkiller kill is the scum's nightkill, then there is a nightkill missing...thus, warranting a claim from them. No such claim has come forward.

I will not assume the presence of a nightkill off of a hypothetical which can be easily proven/disproven with claims. With no missing kill, there would be only one source of kills unaccounted for. Thus. Only one killer. Not a serial killer. Groupscum. Basically, it's a fundamental violation of occam's razor. Lynching SnarkySnowman is lynching a player off of the ASSUMPTION the 3p cop check is correct...and the ASSUMPTION that SnarkySnowman is a serial killer...and the ASSUMPTION that either SnarkySnowman's kill or the mafia's kill failed for whatever reason...off of the ASSUMPTION of something in play preventing the extra deaths. It's a lot of fucking assumptions.

Whereas he's an idea. SnarkySnowman is a 3p with a correct cop check, and not a serial killer. This fits the evidence without requiring large assumptions. SnarkySnowman as a different alignment with the 3p cop check being wrong does require one, but it's not impossible either, yet this is largely irrelevant to the point.

Furthermore. Let's say you do think SnarkySnowman is a serial killer. (In which case lol. You think a sk-Snarky is actually a threat to the town?) Still not fucking groupscum. So still lynching non-town rather than lynching mafia. And lynching mafia is my first and foremost priority. SnarkySnowman is about as conclusively as we can get, proven to not be groupscum. He is therefore the last person we should be fucking lynching.

[mastina]

Also.

IVE HAD A SCUM READ ON MASTINA FOR A WHILE NOW BUT WE CAN DIG INTO IT TOMORROW

Have fun trying to lynch a masonizer.

I'll try to find a town player to use it on. Because if I succeed...good luck trying to lynch masons.

[chesskid3]

Snarky can't be the SK mario is

[mastina]

I think I killed vax. My ability isn't very clear. Tonight I'm going to target either dunk or snarky and we will see what happens.

Okay, so.
This, if true.
Confirms we'd have a missing kill, yes?

Well for SnarkySnowman to be a serial killer, instead of ONE missing kill, now you've got to search for TWO missing kills.

With each missing kill you assume to exist, the likelihood of your assumption being accurate goes down.
This is frankly one of the strongest reasons why I have doubted multiball in spite of scumreading virtually everyone. (Along-side the Zoe/Zelda distribution meaning scum are likely all or mostly all Zeldas.) It requires assuming an extra missing kill.

But dammit. I can usually sense "bussing scum" in games. And I don't sense bussing-scum in this game. I can usually sense multiball in games. And I sense multiball in this game. Even though all the evidence rationally points to this not being the case so no matter what my emotions might say I will trust in logic and reasoning in spite of this game being the antithesis of those and believe in the facts, which suggest no multiball.

Btw if multiball were proven, then two scum + sk then requires even MORE extra missing kills. Which would again be evidence for SnarkySnowman to not be scum, so.

[mastina]

Can you quote it?
This might be just a 3p game.

All 3p
Shit ton of vigs
Not sane cop
That equals a game were Town kills themselves and 3p just trying to survive to the end.

EXPLAIN MORE THEN

While the idea you're pushing of a 3p slip holds at least some merit...we've had multiple town flips already. Honestly if anything I'd think you thinking it's a 3p slip would be closer to being a legit 3p slip.

[mastina]

i was jester gg guys

VOTE: dunkerdoodlesthe ss vote was bad i guess for the reasoning i gave although i wouldnt mind that lynch generally

This is still scummmmm

[mastina]

Given how everyone suddenly jumped on Dunker: Snarky = scum

This contradicts your own result. It's also rats-ass backwards.

Scum have a STRONG incentive to eliminate 3p players that contain any element which could pose a threat to them. By which, I am of course saying: any scum player who believes SnarkySnowman to be a serial killer fears SnarkySnowman using that nightkill on a player the scum really don't want dead. (Most likely, a scum player, but also possible: a player they're grooming; a player they were going to mislynch. Either is sub-optimal.)

That's why the SnarkySnowman wagon is so abysmally bad.

[drealmerz7]

Given how everyone suddenly jumped on Dunker: Snarky = scum

ppl didn't suddenly jump on dunker

[drealmerz7]

it looks like it is necessary to remind some of you that Mulch was bodyguard and there is a possibly of a double-tap kill

[drealmerz7]

Btw if multiball were proven, then two scum + sk then requires even MORE extra missing kills.

or the 2 teams get altering Nights enabled to kill
or 1 of the teams is a poison killing team and their kill hasn't "finished"

or vecna's BP absorbed

or or or

[mastina]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman
the game has stagnated and 3p cop seems like its weird enough w/o a modifier. even if vecna is scum i believe the claim.

Alright. We might have to be really sharp from here on though.
VOTE: snarky (both votes)

VOTE: snarky
i guess we should trust a red

2x Vote SnarkySnowman

These players hopped onto SnarkySnowman post-claim.

IF DUNKERDOODLES IS SCUM: I would look more into these names for being scum.
IF DUNKERDOODLES IS TOWN: I would still look more into these names for being scum, but instead I would tier them according to their Zoe/Zelda status and their guesses.

At top scum tier:

Llamarble

/EddieFenix, as Zeldas who guessed Zelda. Llamarble gets bonus points for voting Zoes to be lynched.
At second scum tier: MarioManiac4, as a Zoe who guessed Zoe and yet also voted Zoe. If any scum outside of Dunkerdoodles are likely to be in the Zoes, it's him. (Chickadee/dreal containing scum is possible, but not probable anymore to me.)

Most scum candidates remain to be Zeldas tho: Any of ActionDan/Vecna/randomidget/chesskid/Desperado/Screenplay

could

be scum, though I think some are more/less likely than others. Vecna's less likely; Screenplay's less likely; randomidget isn't less likely per se but he's a lower priority.

[mastina]

IF DUNKERDOODLES IS SCUM:
SnarkySnowman
Vecna
Desperado
ActionDan
drealmerz
randomidget
Screenplay
Chickadee
chesskid
EddieFenix
MarioManiac4
Llamarble

IF DUNKERDOODLES IS TOWN:
SnarkySnowman
Vecna
Screenplay
drealmerz
Chickadee
randomidget
MarioManiac4
chesskid
Desperado
ActionDan
EddieFenix
Llamarble

Approximately. Not very good I know but I'm working off of limited info.