Mini 1942 - Switchboard 2 [Game Over]

[Creature]

I think IAI's actions last day make more sense as scum than town.

[Creature]

Would scum!Nos put his scumbuddy to L-1 when IAI could just stop him from killing the next night?

[BlackVoid]

Yeah, I'm leaning that way as well. Did you read the previous days of the game?

And yeah, that's another point against IAI. Nos knew I would vote Keychain. He had no reason to think IAI was gambiting.

[I Am Innocent]

If the whole plan was for me to go 1 vs 1 against town Nos why would my scummate attack me with a supposed crumb? Please think about that. The only thing I can ascertain is that scum tried to turn me off and assumed I was lying.

Please before you lose this game just read how nos acted again after my gambit. He seemed confused antagonistical.

I guarantee you if I was scum with key I'd have attacked her to no end for town cred. I would not have sic'ed her on myself. I would not have boxed myself in with a fake gambit, no way no how.

[BlackVoid]

For towncred in case you flipped. If you managed to turn the tide against Nos by getting a couple of town votes, she could always quickhammer - in fact, that would be optimal.

But I'll look over the whole game again. If you're town, help me see it through the lens of Nos being scum with Flubber/Fish and Keychain throughout the game because that's where I'm hung up on.

Btw, when was the last time you were scum, IAI? I can't find any recent scumgames to look at.

[Nosferatu]

confused antagonistical

i want this to be my title if i ever get one

[I Am Innocent]

For towncred in case you flipped. If you managed to turn the tide against Nos by getting a couple of town votes, she could always quickhammer - in fact, that would be optimal.

But I'll look over the whole game again. If you're town, help me see it through the lens of Nos being scum with Flubber/Fish and Keychain throughout the game because that's where I'm hung up on.

Btw, when was the last time you were scum, IAI? I can't find any recent scumgames to look at.

This is the last completed scum game I could find:

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67479

Been a few since this that I've flaked/replaced out from.

As for the interactions with flipped scum, I'll look, but know that it's going to be coming from the biased lens that I'm wearing. Just need a little time.

[I Am Innocent]

moz and allo are my preferred lynches for today, I'm fine comprimising, but I'd real rather not.

First two reads of the game.

ok aubrey can be town I guess

Next read.

That's it for D1, outside of his RVS vote for Raya, it was all Moz and Allo for votes that day. Little interaction with Key/Flubber.

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Well the first alarm bell that should've gone off in my head is the startling lack of scum reads on moz...

:: Final Day One VoteCount ::

mozamis (7) -

Radical Rat, I Am Innocent, Flubbernugget, Nosferatu, Chickadee, Realeo, Keychain

[Lynched]

Nosferatu (3) -

Allomancer, Aubrey, Mjollnir

I Am Innocent (1) -

mozamis

Chickadee (1) -

havingfitz

Not Voting (1) -

Raya36

Lynch has been reached at 7 votes.

Modscene forthcoming....

As much as it sucks to say it, it's pretty unlikely more than one scum was off that moz wagon. I'm hesitant to say that it was Allo simply because I was similarly confident in moz being scum.

I still would like to think Aubrey and Mjollnir are town.

First post of D2. We now know that all 3 of the scum were on the Moz wagon. So which two players does he predict are scum.....wait for it.....next post is soon to come:

IF I had to choose two scum on the wagon just gun to my head, I'd say Realeo and Inno

Yep town Realeo and me. I know both town players. Surprise surprise, no key, no flubber.

But wait it gets better. He gives us, IN THE VERY NEXT POST, a retroactive, never before released reads list from the prior day:

{aubrey, mjoll}
{key, radical}
{raya, fitz, inno}
{flub}
{moz, allo}
^ my reads as of yesterday that I will have to fix since they were bad :'(

probably will ISO everyone on the moz wagon first with priority on {fitz, mjoll, flub} since those were chick's last scumreads, and I didn't really see any lynchbait in there so I find it unlikely scum would go for a framejob here.

Kinda lazy so I don't think that I'll get done with all of those today, but it's fair to say that I should be able to get one ISO done today.

Hmmm, moz is dead. Allo was un-CC'd BP, so why is flub, who was on the moz wagon, not one of the two people, gun to his head, one of the scum on the Moz wagon.

PS - scum are where I'd picture them, one in the top half, one in the bottom half.

Now here comes the interesting part, gun to his head it is me and realeo, right. But he instead opts to throw a "pressure vote" on Flubber, who has one vote, while Realeo also has one vote. No real change on stance on either of these players between 788 & 953 either:

VOTE: flub
pressure vote because I want to see this sorted

Oh, and 5 posts later Key unvotes Nos to eliminate his wagon. Maybe they didn't want two wagons on scum at the same time for town to choose from?

For the record, these are the last times these players cross voted until flubber's deleted post.

he's one of the people I wanted to sort today because he was one of chick's final scumreads

Here is the next mention of flubber, once again not his scumread but Chick's. Giving himself the out to unvote when needed.

I'm not sheeping her reads, he's still null to me, however I just feel like he's a priority to sort.

If I were to pick some scumsters: I don't like how mjollnir likes my allo case and not my moz case, LUV is always a priority sort since he's a strong scum player, fitz has been hiding behind setup spec for awhile now, and I haven't seen radical in bit.

More of the same "he's still null to me." Textbook too scared to go all in on the bus.

Oh, note Key is no where to be found on his scumsters list despite the drama back and forth they had earlier in the day. All town players with bad reasoning. Must have forgot his early scum reads on Realeo and myself.

79 Straight out of the gate with some setup spec questions, I feel good about this since he could've easily just asked those questions in scum PT
I'm going to ignore the setup breaking stuff since I personally find it uninteresting and more importantly NAI
369 Catch-up that kind of implies he wasn't really reading o/
1. Opposes priority claiming which is good
2. Shooting RR's 28 gives me good vibez too
3. Dig on realeo's 37 is a reach. I've never seen scum go for such cheap town tells.
4. Chick doesn't phrase 71 in a really pockety way, don't like this point.
5. Would love to hear why fitz liked 77. First half was fence-sitting, other half was piggybacking off of key's earlier post.
6. shading moza's anti-claim stance because he claimed priority seems kinda bleh. closest analogy I can think of is throwing away your headset because it's not a building.

452 Boy do I love seeing this
1. I would not townread either realeo or aubrey based on this page (10)
2. Why did two of your scumreads become townleans?
3. I cannot tell you the physical pain it brought me to see that your only proper town read was yourself.

520-571 Extremely hung up on the use of 20 minutes for seemingly no reason. Bad vibez.

728 this vote is bad. REALLY BAD. especially within the context of that flip.

1073 Ok couple bad things here.
1. Realeo scumread because he got mad over a question is? Scum motivation there?
2. Still no reads
3. Zero justification for any of those scumreads
4. First bit about realeo's 825 is lowkey garbage

1107 Do not like the tone shift here.

Gonna put this at nullscum

But yet leaves his vote on a null player who is in no danger of being lynched rather than someone who is nullscum. What town player does that less than 3 days from the deadline.

will lynch {flub, fitz, iai}

Another mention, willing to leave his vote there, but has never once, I REPEAT NEVER ONCE, called flubber a scum read. Null was the highest he ever got. You want to give him points for leaving his vote on a wagon that never got higher than 2 all day, I ask how many negative points should he get for flopping on reads (never explained how realeo went from his start of D2 scum read to refusing to vote for him) and leaving a vote on flubber yet never pushing him.

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D3, after leaving his vote on Nos ALL OF DAY 2, town Nos would go back to the well right?

Nope:

VOTE: fitz

You talk of interactions. All the interactions I've seen were distancing moves at best. The progression of reads from Nos particularly are just bad. I'll reiterate more of the bad stuff from D4, but yeah you both need to think this through again before you go with the wrong horse.

[I Am Innocent]

D4 bad posts by Nos:

So who did you target this game mr JK?

ive already revealed far too much to confirmed scum.

Except revealing targets on past nights would not help scum. No reason for town not to share this at this point.

ok if I had to guess, I think that IAI is the goon and mjoll was the roleblocker

Goes after creature rather than key early.

luv then key then creature should claim

can we just get on with it

Wants key to go second, would have given her choice of who to CC. Also, order is interesting since he just called creature the roleblocker but wants him to claim last.

VRO

what

My bitch don't love me no more, aye
She kick me out I'm like vro, aye

Okay, I've read through the first fifteen pages (half of D1) and it's going to take a while to get through the whole thing. I'd rather not hold up the game so if you guys really need the claims done before you post anything, that's cool.

@Keychain, claim first please. I'll post my reads and reasons after claims are done.

pls just finish d1 before you give claim order cause it would be great if they were based off of semi complete reads

As soon as Key is asked to go first, he wants things slowed down before BV gives claim order. Hmmm, who would that benefit???

Can we lynch IAI and then I block key? I can give switch numberr and LUV cam verify that I targeted him? Or am I misunderstanding how switch analyst works?

Claims switch is on. Lie #1.

To read you obviously.

I don't know how much you know about human behavior

but you are asking me to do something I don't want to do, "just because"

I have literally negative incentive to fullclaim. I hope you understand why I can't just roll over because you want me to with zero reasoning.

Still being resistant to fullclaim. Interestingly enough the resistance to BV happened around the same time he voted his partner key (1391).

I really hope I don't need to explain why when you counterclaim someone, you need to lay out all your info for the rest of the town to make the best informed decision.

except in this scenario, due to the lack of the ability to test out these claims, your decision isn't any more informed with my info. I could actually put the playerlist through random.org and pick the first three and tell you those were my targets and you would have the exact same information. If say the tracker or watcher was still alive, you'd have a point here. But if it eases your mind, I can always just go ahead and give you random names for each night.

You'd have to explain why you targeted those players. It's not going to be as easy as you're claiming.

N1 - Aubrey: I was unsure as to who to rb because of how wrong I was about moz, so I decided to use my jk as a doc and protect a townread of mine.
N2 - LUV: His entry unnerved me with his immediate conclusion that scum killed his gf to frame him in a way that felt premeditated, so I went to block him.
N3 - Mjollnir/Creature: I didn't like how he disliked my moz case but not my allo case when they were essentially the same. It seemed like he was trying to jump off of moz's death and he wasn't able to prove that he actually was reading my posts, so I went to block him.

^^^ made up in like 5 mins

also from random.org, thats not real lmao

More of the same.

In that spirit I will fullclaim seeing as it makes no sense to delay it if I'm not even going to be here

Last night I targeted fitz because I scumread him for reasons already listed.

My switch is on. Will give priority if necessary, but I might not get back to you for awhile.

Lie #2 saying he targeted Fitz that night.

Ok so this is what happened last night

Me --> Fitz (fails because my switch is off, which uzi can verify with his ability)
Fitz --> Aubrey/IAI
IAI(he's the goon im pretty sure) --> Aubrey

So you'll lynch me today probs lets be real

IAI will be obvscum and will kill uzi I'm guessing since I won't be around to doc

BV will have to choose between keychain and creature, and I'm guessing creature will be lynched.

So yeah there you go, the rest of your game.

Scum getting caught in a lie. Guessing (hoping?) creature will be lynched in MyLo.

VOTE: Key
I like creature's reaction to this.

Continues his distance with Key with this vote. Too bad his vote was already on Key.

I wasn't able to get to my computer on the second night.

Do you really believe?

for the first night I wanted to see if someone would switch me on, which happened.

Do you really believe ^ 2?

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The guy has lied multiple times about switch being on, who he targeted, etc. Huge distancing from Key late D4 after protecting her/attacking creature & Lil early D4.

Guys I don't know what to tell you except I'm sorry for the fake gambit. As scum I would have NEVER EVER NEVER EVER EVER said my switch was on. I would have claimed JKer, hoped my counterpart was off, and bussed the heck out of key. It was a lie, my gambit, but don't let town lose over that one lie. Look at the entire work of Nos compared to that one lie. I'm guessing scum knew I was a power role and turned me off. They must have known I wasn't self turning myself on because earlier in the game I said outright in thread that I didn't think that you could. It's the best explanation I have for Nos willing to bus Key...hats off to them if they pull this off.

I rest my case. Let me know if you have any other questions for me.

[BlackVoid]

I have a lot to say but I want to see Nos's response to that before I post my thoughts there.

[BlackVoid]

Things to do today:
1. ISO all the dead scum and Nos and IAI.
2. Vote IAI
3. Go back to bed

[Nosferatu]

resistence to bv started when someone (idk) asked me to fullclaim and i said no, painting that like it was only because of key is really weird

you are calling my posts lies when i gave legit reasons why i said those things believing them to be true and your only rebuttle to that is "wElL Do YoU ReaLLy bElIEVe THAT"

like ??? not really much to say to that

[I Am Innocent]

resistence to bv started when someone (idk) asked me to fullclaim and i said no, painting that like it was only because of key is really weird

Nope not true. I asked you to state you night actions and you refused cause you weren't going to help me/scum. Then confirmed town BV asked you and you were still resistant. So continuing to be resistant when confirmed town ask you when your original reason for not stating it was to 'not help scum'.

Forget the fact that announcing your prior night JK targets would not help scum at all. It is more indicative of concern of being caught in a lie.

you are calling my posts lies when i gave legit reasons why i said those things believing them to be true and your only rebuttle to that is "wElL Do YoU ReaLLy bElIEVe THAT"

You had two blatant lies. Apparently they are more believable than my fake gambit. Oh well, won't be the first time I cost town a loss in MyLo/LyLo.

BV, lead the charge. Vote with your heart, no regrets. I won't hold anything against you.

Congrats Nos, well played.

[Creature]

Sorry, I'm sorta apathetic about this game rn.

[Nosferatu]

Nope not true. I asked you to state you night actions and you refused cause you weren't going to help me/scum. Then confirmed town BV asked you and you were still resistant. So continuing to be resistant when confirmed town ask you when your original reason for not stating it was to 'not help scum'.

my argument was that i would be giving scum info. BV just repeating the question would not have changed my answer and it doesn't make sense that you're saying I changed my reason.

Oh well, won't be the first time I cost town a loss in MyLo/LyLo.

this looks geniune

[Nosferatu]

Nope not true. I asked you to state you night actions and you refused cause you weren't going to help me/scum. Then confirmed town BV asked you and you were still resistant. So continuing to be resistant when confirmed town ask you when your original reason for not stating it was to 'not help scum'.

my argument was that i would be giving scum info. BV just repeating the question would not have changed my answer and it doesn't make sense that you're saying I changed my reason.

Oh well, won't be the first time I cost town a loss in MyLo/LyLo.

this looks geniune

ebwop

[Nosferatu]

Forget the fact that announcing your prior night JK targets would not help scum at all. It is more indicative of concern of being caught in a lie.

idk how i would've been caught in a lie? if i were scum would not have claimed to rb key for cred or better yet someone who didn't die lol?

[I Am Innocent]

Forget the fact that announcing your prior night JK targets would not help scum at all. It is more indicative of concern of being caught in a lie.

idk how i would've been caught in a lie? if i were scum would not have claimed to rb key for cred or better yet someone who didn't die lol?

I don't know, maybe something like this:

In that spirit I will fullclaim seeing as it makes no sense to delay it if I'm not even going to be here

Last night I targeted fitz because I scumread him for reasons already listed.

My switch is on. Will give priority if necessary, but I might not get back to you for awhile.

[Nosferatu]

I didn't need to lie about either of those though...

[Nosferatu]

why would i lie that i targeted someone who literally died

[I Am Innocent]

why would i lie that i targeted someone who literally died

Because you screwed up.

[BlackVoid]

Still reading and thinking about the game. I'll make a wall tomorrow about where I'm at and we can go from there.

[Nosferatu]

why would i lie that i targeted someone who literally died

Because you screwed up.

aight nice talk buddy

[kunkstar7]

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[kunkstar7]

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