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[Chip Butty]

Okay so if perchance Toranaga is not lynched and somehow not NKed tonight he must be scum, so his track report would be useless anyway.

[Toranaga]

unvote:

it's probably tacos

I'll be here tomorrow to figure this out

[Toranaga]

Okay so if perchance Toranaga is not lynched and somehow not NKed tonight he must be scum, so his track report would be useless anyway.

nah you don't understand

if I'm not lynched and I'm at f3 with a track, one player at f3 will be cleared and then it'll be a tdome between me and scum

which tbh, I'll win, unless you're the town I need to convince

[Toranaga]

from any perspective I'm still never the lynch this gameday

[Chip Butty]

What doesn't make sense?

[Toranaga]

meaning even if I'm scum the last town player who I'm not framing will get a 50% chance of lynching me and getting it right

as oppose to, say I'm town and I get lynched, at f3 it's 3 unclears and a much higher scum win %

not to mention, scumreading me is entirely unreasonable

[Sergtacos]

I don't think Porkens is scum tho. I have a theory and I don't wanna mention it.

"I told you guys he was town" wrt porkens

nobody knew if porkens was town or not

sick scumslip if tacos is scum

meh

Like I mentioned before, I said I had a theory.

[Sergtacos]

Tor, could you stop voting and read each other ISO please? We're not going to win this if you keep guessing. Scum could be Thor or havingfitz as well. The more you post and keep voting without reading all our ISO the more I'm convinced you're scum.

[Chip Butty]

Okay so if perchance Toranaga is not lynched and somehow not NKed tonight he must be scum, so his track report would be useless anyway.

nah you don't understand

if I'm not lynched and I'm at f3 with a track, one player at f3 will be cleared and then it'll be a tdome between me and scum

which tbh, I'll win, unless you're the town I need to convince

So if you're scum you'd better NK me tonight.

It's d5 and you have a track tonight. There's no way you can live through tonight. Yet you seem to be entirely discounting the possibility you'll be NKed here. That seems like a scumslip.

[Chip Butty]

Taco, don't you wonder why Toranaga is still alive?

[Sergtacos]

Taco, don't you wonder why Toranaga is still alive?

Well there's two theories I can come up with and i think these are the only explanation. 1, he's scum, simple as that. 2, scum might want him alive for some reason.

[Chip Butty]

Yeah but what possible reason could there be?

[Toranaga]

mechanically:

I'm odd night tracker. there is only one scum left, so for me to have the results I had and they matched with the players, especially the fykus one that was an actual PR, I have to be at least some kind of tracker.

if I'm scum tracker, this is the set up:

mafia odd night tracker
mafia fruit vendor
mafia goon

town even night gunsmith
town loyal cop
town miller
7x vanilla townies

I'd basically have a claimable troll role as odd night tracker in this set up because my track would only be useful to scum if I tracked the loyal cop.

town would have 2 PRs and a total of 3 claimable roles vs mafia having 2 claimable roles. this would be an extremely unusual setup in MS. I haven't seen anything even close to this pro-scum and if there are game managers here they would not allow this set up at all.

for instance, the game mulch brought here with scum fruit vendor was exactly a loud scum fruit vendor and 2x mafia goons against 4 claimable town roles and 6x vanilla townies.

I have to be mechanically clear. a setup where I'm scum cannot be real.

[Toranaga]

probably unintelligent for me to write how I'm mechanically clear now but it's late and I'm tired

[Toranaga]

who outed that there could be mafia fruit vendor? and went against every single one of you trying to clear mulch for it?

look at this possible setup where I'm scum with mulch. what's my motivation for doing that?

[Chip Butty]

@Toranaga:

Your reports are also consistent with you being a role scanner.

N1 you scan Fykus and learn he is an even-night GS and therefore didn't go anywhere n1.

N3 you scanned Taco and saw he is VT (I'm assuming for the purposes of this exercise) and therefore didn't go anywhere n3.

Am i missing anything? You might not even be odd-night.

[Toranaga]

last post and then I'll stop spamming:

thoughts on each scum pair to NK HEM instead of me, then cheeky instead of me:

mulch-thor: one of the most unlikely pairs. I'm sure this was mulch idea, but he is not an experienced player like thor, who could probably see from a mile away just how bad this could go for mulch. the way mulch outed himself with it, I don't think he was being coached by a decade long account while doing it.

mulch-butty: also extremely unlikely, not too much because of the second kill, but because of the first one. if mulch was trying a frame job against me, he needed numbers that could side with him. if chip butty is his scum pair, who would he push this story to? tacos was townreading me and scumreading him. thor was practically clearing me. I suppose fitz and cheeky could have gone anywhere with it, but it seems highly unlikely he is ever getting me lynched when the only player guaranteed to be on his side is his scum partner. also, considering where I was going with my POE, the fact that I actually voted chip butty a lot in this game and tdomed a lot with him... why would keep someone so antagonistic in f5? ego? still trying to somehow frame me? seems farfetched...

mulch-fitz: this one is interesting because there isn't motivation either way. fitz could maybe do it just to put everyone in WIFOM, maybe that'd help, maybe not.

mulch-tacos: I have townread tacos throughout the game for pushing the right things. tacos was on skitter. tacos was hard scumreading mulch when me and him were the only players doing it. I was trying not to tunnel, but kind of sure enough mulch was scum that I was conditionally reading tacos townie and people pushing him scummy.

but thinking back on that HEM NK... if mulch and butty were scum together, it would be incredibly hard to sell. but mulch and tacos? it would set one of them up for the f3 victory. if we lynched tacos on f7, I look horrible and get lynched on f5. mulch goes f3 not w;w with tacos and wins. if we lynch me, tacos actually looks amazing because he would be the one guy saying mulch is obv scum when other players couldn't see it. and if we lynch mulch, tacos would also look good on the bussing job. keeping me alive on f5 looks safe for tacos: I'd be defending him and pushing town with it if I'm keeping true to last gameday's reads.

[Toranaga]

@Toranaga:

Your reports are also consistent with you being a role scanner.

N1 you scan Fykus and learn he is an even-night GS and therefore didn't go anywhere n1.

N3 you scanned Taco and saw he is VT (I'm assuming for the purposes of this exercise) and therefore didn't go anywhere n3.

Am i missing anything? You might not even be odd-night.

ok say I'm role scanner then. say I'm any scum PR that could claim as if I was a town PR. it's the same thing. 13er with 2 town prs and 2 scum prs that could hardclaim as town. even more unlikely to be true now that I'm a strong af role scanner.

[Sergtacos]

I don't know a lot about mechanics or roles in this game.

[Toranaga]

since no one else is even trying anymore

vote: sergtacos

[Sergtacos]

since no one else is even trying anymore

vote: sergtacos

I plan to read everyone's ISO by the end of Sunday. I think you should do the same but the fact that you're not trying seems like you don't care because you just want to lynch me which isn't town like. you are at the top of my scum read until i read everyone's ISO.

[havingfitz]

since no one else is even trying anymore

vote: sergtacos

I'll try to do some stuff tomorrow.

[Thor665]

I pretty much just want to vote Tacos.
But I'm willing to pretend fitz will do stuff tomorrow and give him time for that to happen
I don't think Chip can be scum.

[havingfitz]

Mid-stuff.

Meanwhile....I think we should no lynch. That gives Tor a chance to use his track and leaves us a mislynch tomorrow.

We lynch wrong today and it's LYLO tomorrow.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Thor665]

We have 5 living players, no lynching today loses us a lynch.
Is my game state awareness off?