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VC 5.1

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Lynching

Toranaga

(1): Sergtacos

No Lynch

(1): havingfitz

Not Voting

(3): Thor665, Chip Butty, Toranaga

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

The day 5 deadline is in

: (expired on 2017-10-25 22:00:00)

Mod Notes

: Keep it fun!

[havingfitz]

Fcuk.
UNVOTE:

[Thor665]

Fitz...

[Toranaga]

[Toranaga]

I might clear fitz just for that LOL

[Toranaga]

since no one else is even trying anymore

vote: sergtacos

I plan to read everyone's ISO by the end of Sunday. I think you should do the same but the fact that you're not trying seems like you don't care because you just want to lynch me which isn't town like. you are at the top of my scum read until i read everyone's ISO.

I just explained to you how the mechanics are bonkers if I'm scum. also, if I'm scum I can mislynch anyone, I don't have to fixate on you

[Chip Butty]

Everybody who isn't Toranaga, what do you make of his setup argument? Is it strong enough to stand against the fact that he is inexplicably still alive?

[Thor665]

How is he "inexplicably" alive exactly?
He is alive because scum opted to kill HEM.
HEM died because if he hadn't then (presuming Toranaga town) Mulch (with the weakest clearing PR claim) would have been the final PR in lylo with basically everyone admitting that they thought one scum was in the PRs.
So the "inexplicable" becomes very "explicable" at that point, yeah?
What am I missing?

[Chip Butty]

What of the setup argument? Is it any good?

[Thor665]

His setup argument is quite reasonable if you presume he's a tracker regardless of his alignment.
If you flip him over to your argument of him being a rolecop it becomes less hardline.

[Thor665]

I don't think he makes much sense as Mulch's partner though.

[Chip Butty]

His tone seems strikingly different today though now that Mulch is gone. Is that suggestive of scum theatre at all, do you think?

[Thor665]

It is highly suggestive that the person he was hard tunneled on for two days is no longer in the game - I suspect I had a similar shift when Skitter was finally lynched, no?
Now tht shift cold be because he was faking the tunnel, but I feel it's more indicative of the tunnel removal than a fake tunnel removal vs. a real tunnel removal.

[havingfitz]

Everybody who isn't Toranaga, what do you make of his setup argument? Is it strong enough to stand against the fact that he is inexplicably still alive?

Who else would have been the nightkills each night? The only nightkill that doesn't make sense is Cheeky...though if Tor is town he was no threat N4 (if roleclaim is truthful).

I do not know about the set up. Seems a bit strong for town as is. But also seems convenient for scum to happen to realize there are even/odd night roles in this game unless they rolecopped Fykus N1. Seems awfully coincidental. If Tor is town I suspect the last scum is a powerful PR as that is a very strong town to have 3 powerful investigative roles vs only a good and scum FV plus whatever.

Still in the midst of Tor's 600+ post ISO.
V/LA over the weekend as usual.
Not sure I would vote Tor today he has done a lot that I find suspect. I plan on ISOing everyone still alive though before I lay down a vote.

[Chip Butty]

How is he "inexplicably" alive exactly?
He is alive because scum opted to kill HEM.
HEM died because if he hadn't then (presuming Toranaga town) Mulch (with the weakest clearing PR claim) would have been the final PR in lylo with basically everyone admitting that they thought one scum was in the PRs.
So the "inexplicable" becomes very "explicable" at that point, yeah?
What am I missing?

You're missing that n3 Toranaga, if Town, had a track dueand scum took a big risk on leaving him alive. They could have afforded to kill HEM n4.

[Thor665]

I agree that is a concern, but I'm not sure that's a concern today.
I also don't care to, at this stage, try to suss out whether scum believed or didn't believe HEM's dither.

Let's rephrase this discussion.
I can see a world where Toranaga is scum, though I find it unlikely.
I can easily see a world where Sergtacos is scum - do you have evidence or thoughts that clear him?
If you don't, do you have an argument that justifies not clearing him off the board at this juncture?

[Toranaga]

it's not a concern at all since me not dying n3 was -exactly- why mulch got lynched. congratulations you airheads for not paying any attention to the game...

[Thor665]

Congratulations you airhead for randomly insulting someone raising a valid concern and someone else disabusing it?
Dork face.

[Chip Butty]

I do not know about the set up. Seems a bit strong for town as is. But also seems convenient for scum to happen to realize there are even/odd night roles in this game unless they rolecopped Fykus N1. Seems awfully coincidental. If Tor is town I suspect the last scum is a powerful PR as that is a very strong town to have 3 powerful investigative roles vs only a good and scum FV plus whatever.

If Toranaga is town, we have, as far as we know for sure:

Loyal cop + even night GS + odd night tracker + miller

V

Loud fruit vendor,

which does seem OP for town, even bearing in mind that two of these 'three powerful investigative roles' are only half-roles.

You surmise that the third scum must be a powerful PR but we have no evidence of any action from something like that. Thinking outside the box for a moment, what if instead there are four scum? One loud fruit vendor and three goons?

That would imply we are in mylo right now, and two of Taco, Thor, and you are scum.

So it comes down to which of these propositions is most believable:

A. There is a hidden powerful scum PR.
B. There are four scum.
C. Toranaga is scum.

If C we have:

Loyal cop + even night GS + miller

V

LFV + tracker/RS (maybe odd night)

[Chip Butty]

it's not a concern at all since me not dying n3 was -exactly- why mulch got lynched. congratulations you airheads for not paying any attention to the game...

I was wondering what happened to the old psycho-Toranaga.

[Chip Butty]

it's not a concern at all since me not dying n3 was -exactly- why mulch got lynched. congratulations you airheads for not paying any attention to the game...

Because scum theatre isn't a thing...

[Chip Butty]

I agree that is a concern, but I'm not sure that's a concern today.
I also don't care to, at this stage, try to suss out whether scum believed or didn't believe HEM's dither.

Let's rephrase this discussion.
I can see a world where Toranaga is scum, though I find it unlikely.
I can easily see a world where Sergtacos is scum - do you have evidence or thoughts that clear him?
If you don't, do you have an argument that justifies not clearing him off the board at this juncture?

I don't have anything that clears Taco. If town!Taco fires up the bong in lylo, we're doomed.

Only the possibility of scenario B...

[Thor665]

I don't have anything that clears Taco.

Okay, let's take this then a step further.
Do you scum read Taco more or less than Toranaga and why?

[Chip Butty]

I don't have anything that clears Taco.

Okay, let's take this then a step further.
Do you scum read Taco more or less than Toranaga and why?

I need to think about that.

One way i could approach this is just take the most surface view of things, where you are cleared by how hard you went after skitter and your fight with Mulch, and Toranaga is cleared for his fight with Mulch which ended with Mulch getting lynched.

Assuming it's 4-1now, then we lynch Taco and if that doesn't win, lose 1 to NK and go into tomorrow 2-1. Then we lynch havingfitz and win. I guess that is a viable option...

[Toranaga]

Congratulations you airhead for randomly insulting someone raising a valid concern and someone else disabusing it?
Dork face.

pay attention to the game.

mulch visited HEM. that outed him because I'm town tracker.

if I'm scum with mulch, I can make the HEM NK and he sends fruit to whoever.

mulch sent fruit because he couldn't afford having me alive tracking his partner.

I said that 300 times on d4 and you still didn't pick up.