Micro 746: The Deco Murders - Game Over!

[TywinL]

Ignoring the fuck out of the self-vote because if inferno goes off again I might actually start screaming, there's the fact that she's done remarkably little actual scumhunting and the reads she has given have been super "safe." I am not a fan and would like to lynch this today.

What do you mean by safe reads? How does that compare with the other low activity players?

[Inferno390]

Lmao can we lynch Inferno please?

Why don't we start with explaining why I should be lynched? DO you think I'm scum? If you do, why? Do you just find me annoying? If so, why? Is my logic too good for you? Does my defense against you during our 1v1 make you uncomfortable? Are you nervous about the fact that I called you out for being scum with Not_Mafia? Do you not like the fact that I think you're mafia?

Let's hear why.

Inferno390
Raya36l
Sunlit Diamond
Gorny
Gödel
Vijarada
acidphoenix
Not_Mafia
TywinL

Wait what. When did Vij become scum?

Um, I am not calling him scum. That's just my order of read from most town to least town.

I think that you're right. You ARE scum, along with TywinL.

What makes you think Not_Mafia is scum at this point? Key word: AT THIS POINT

I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind philosophical quotes and song lyrics. That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

[Not_Mafia]

Inferno why are you not making the effort to understand what people are saying and fully engage with the game? Seems pretty scummy to me

Uh, I am making an effort and trying to engage in the game. I just don't understand why it's nessecary to be so cryptic and so respond with vague philosophy every time someone directly asks you a question.

But you're not making an effort to understand my point with the song, just dismissing it as confusing whilst not trying to understand it, you can't have your cake and eat it too

[TywinL]

Why don't we start with explaining why I should be lynched? DO you think I'm scum? If you do, why? Do you just find me annoying? If so, why? Is my logic too good for you? Does my defense against you during our 1v1 make you uncomfortable? Are you nervous about the fact that I called you out for being scum with Not_Mafia? Do you not like the fact that I think you're mafia?

I have already explained why I think you are scum. Did you really think I would suddenly call you town? Maybe that is what you were hoping, but sorry to break it to you buddy, it ain't gonna happen.

[TywinL]

Um, I am not calling him scum. That's just my order of read from most town to least town.

Okay but for some reason you had Vij as the darkest shade of red (which indicated most likely to be scum for me).

[TywinL]

I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind . That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

Yeah but you said he was scum before all of the philosophical quotes and song lyrics.

[TywinL]

Inferno390
Raya36l
Sunlit Diamond
Gorny
Gödel
Vijarada
acidphoenix
Not_Mafia
TywinL

Also what happened to your lean town read on acid?

[Inferno390]

Inferno why are you not making the effort to understand what people are saying and fully engage with the game? Seems pretty scummy to me

Uh, I am making an effort and trying to engage in the game. I just don't understand why it's nessecary to be so cryptic and so respond with vague philosophy every time someone directly asks you a question.

But you're not making an effort to understand my point with the song, just dismissing it as confusing whilst not trying to understand it, you can't have your cake and eat it too

Well, yeah, because you're being intentionally cryptic about your point on purpose. And I'm not dismissing it because it's confusing, I'm dismissing it because you're being intentionally aggravatingly cryptic for no reason. IF you have something important to say, you can say it straight, not make everyone have to hunt down you're meaning for your own pleasure.
Actually, I did end up looking up the song, it's You're So Vain by Carly Simon, and basically, you're just using it as an Attack on Person to me. So yeah.

I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind . That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

Yeah but you said he was scum before all of the philosophical quotes and song lyrics.

Yeah, because he was joking around about being scum. (Once again, taking things out of context.)

Why don't we start with explaining why I should be lynched? DO you think I'm scum? If you do, why? Do you just find me annoying? If so, why? Is my logic too good for you? Does my defense against you during our 1v1 make you uncomfortable? Are you nervous about the fact that I called you out for being scum with Not_Mafia? Do you not like the fact that I think you're mafia?

I have already explained why I think you are scum. Did you really think I would suddenly call you town? Maybe that is what you were hoping, but sorry to break it to you buddy, it ain't gonna happen.

Okay, so you think I'm scum. But let's be PRECISE about why you think I'm scum because all I've ever seen on why I'm scum is either my FoS on an NAI self vote in RVS (which you've said was part of your fake "scumread" for your reaction test), or the fact that you didn't like my responses to your "reaction test" (which I think wasn't a reaction test at all, just an attempt to make me look scummy that failed). So let's be PRECISE on why you think I'm scum.

Inferno390
Raya36l
Sunlit Diamond
Gorny
Gödel
Vijarada
acidphoenix
Not_Mafia
TywinL

Also what happened to your lean town read on acid?

I'm not happy with where she is on my list, but Vij and Godel ended up taking priority over her. I feel like she is town, but she ended up lower on my list because of those two.

[Not_Mafia]

Inferno why are you not making the effort to understand what people are saying and fully engage with the game? Seems pretty scummy to me

Uh, I am making an effort and trying to engage in the game. I just don't understand why it's nessecary to be so cryptic and so respond with vague philosophy every time someone directly asks you a question.

But you're not making an effort to understand my point with the song, just dismissing it as confusing whilst not trying to understand it, you can't have your cake and eat it too

Well, yeah, because you're being intentionally cryptic about your point on purpose. And I'm not dismissing it because it's confusing, I'm dismissing it because you're being intentionally aggravatingly cryptic for no reason. IF you have something important to say, you can say it straight, not make everyone have to hunt down you're meaning for your own pleasure.
Actually, I did end up looking up the song, it's You're So Vain by Carly Simon, and basically, you're just using it as an Attack on Person to me. So yeah..

It's not a personal attack, but if you think Tywin and I formulated some elaborate master plan with the specific purpose of distracting you and you alone, you're vastly overestimating your (or any single person's) importance as a threat to scum.

You're so vain, you probably think this game is about you

[Sunlit Diamond]

Lmao can we lynch Inferno please?

I'm not against removing disruptive players regardless of alignment, assuming there isn't a better lynch to be made that day. The irony of him jumping all over people for anti-town behavior when his own has been pointed out to him again and again and a-fucking-gain without changing in the slightest is killing me.

What do you mean by safe reads? How does that compare with the other low activity players?

Her town reads are you and inferno, who were at that point the only really active players in the game, and her scumread was Raya, who, given that others in the game hadn't yet made a significant appearance, was easy to target. Other quiet players either had reads that felt natural,, have made some effort to scumhunt, haven't contributed enough for me to read, or aren't as high on my will-lynch pool.

Why don't we start with explaining why I should be lynched? DO you think I'm scum?

Would you stop fixating so much on your importance if I did? What are you going to do when a third person starts questioning your logic, waxing poetic, or makes an illogical statement?

Um, I am not calling him scum. That's just my order of read from most town to least town.

This is why I don't color-code my lists.

I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind philosophical quotes and song lyrics. That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

The point he was making with his quotations was valid and real, and it went right over your head. Can you stop for a second and think about what that might mean for your super logic?

IF you have something important to say, you can say it straight, not make everyone have to hunt down you're meaning for your own pleasure.

If everyone played this way, mafia wouldn't be a thing. Plus, the way he phrased it went quite well with the point he was making.

[TywinL]

TywinL wrote:
In post 226, Inferno390 wrote:
I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind . That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

Yeah but you said he was scum before all of the philosophical quotes and song lyrics.

Yeah, because he was joking around about being scum. (Once again, taking things out of context.)

.......

You literally came in your next post with a giant wall about how Not_Mafia and I are scum. I didn't take it out of context. I literally quoted you word for word. I want to know why Not_Mafia was scum before he started trolling you.

[TywinL]

I AM NOT scumreading you because you are wrong about Vij. I AM scumreading you because despite many people have said that self-voting in RVS is NAI and you refused to consider that and continue to double down on it. In my mind, you are scum trying to get a "scumread".

That ^^^^

AND.

The fact you are just going to scumread anyone who attacks or questions you at this point lmao.

[TywinL]

I'm not happy with where she is on my list, but Vij and Godel ended up taking priority over her. I feel like she is town, but she ended up lower on my list because of those two.

Lol why Godel? Godel has only posted 3 times and it is nothing concrete and Godel is on V/LA...

[TywinL]

Her town reads are you and inferno, who were at that point the only really active players in the game, and her scumread was Raya, who, given that others in the game hadn't yet made a significant appearance, was easy to target. Other quiet players either had reads that felt natural,, have made some effort to scumhunt, haven't contributed enough for me to read, or aren't as high on my will-lynch pool.

Sure, I see what you mean.

I do not like acid. Acid forgot about the game, sure I'll buy that. But her entrance back in the game doesn't sit right with me.

pool i want to lynch in (read: pool of people who aren't the people i don't want to lynch in) = sunlit, gorny, godel, nm

Like okay. We had a bunch of information and acid doesn't take a stance and wants to lynch among the quieter people.

[TywinL]

Acid calls the people who are not in the lynch pool, town. That to me is just taking a safe stance.

[Gorny]

I have a gut feeling that Tywinl v. Inferno might just be TvT.

[Inferno390]

Lmao can we lynch Inferno please?

I'm not against removing disruptive players regardless of alignment, assuming there isn't a better lynch to be made that day. The irony of him jumping all over people for anti-town behavior when his own has been pointed out to him again and again and a-fucking-gain without changing in the slightest is killing me.

Why don't we start with explaining why I should be lynched? DO you think I'm scum?

Would you stop fixating so much on your importance if I did? What are you going to do when a third person starts questioning your logic, waxing poetic, or makes an illogical statement?

Um, I am not calling him scum. That's just my order of read from most town to least town.

This is why I don't color-code my lists.

I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind philosophical quotes and song lyrics. That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

The point he was making with his quotations was valid and real, and it went right over your head. Can you stop for a second and think about what that might mean for your super logic?

IF you have something important to say, you can say it straight, not make everyone have to hunt down you're meaning for your own pleasure.

If everyone played this way, mafia wouldn't be a thing. Plus, the way he phrased it went quite well with the point he was making.

1. What anti-town behavior have I insisted on continuing? The only one I can think of is the 1v1 with TywinL, and I stopped with that when everyone asked.
2. I've not accused you, nor Ray, nor anyone else who ask questioned me or pointed out problems with my logic. In fact, I've been willing to have reasonable discussion with anyone who wants to. TywinL doesn't. He just wants to accuse me of being scum.
3. I think I'm going to follow your lead on that from now on.
4. I understand the point he was making, but there's no point to saying anything in a confusing of cryptic way. Why is that nessecary at all? It feels evasive to me, and looks like an attempt to throw me off balance and to pull my attention away from TywinL. Of course maybe I'm taking it a little far, but that's my view on the matter.

TywinL wrote:
In post 226, Inferno390 wrote:
I think that Not_Mafia is avoiding any direct question I am sending his way and hiding behind . That plus the convenient timing of his vote on Vij tips the scale for me.

Yeah but you said he was scum before all of the philosophical quotes and song lyrics.

Yeah, because he was joking around about being scum. (Once again, taking things out of context.)

You literally came in your next post with a giant wall about how Not_Mafia and I are scum. I didn't take it out of context. I literally quoted you word for word. I want to know why Not_Mafia was scum before he started trolling you.

Um, that's not what "taking things out of context" means. It means that you are taking one thing I say,

word-for-word

, and then posting it without any information surrounding the quote in an attempt to make what I said look scummy.

I didn't really think that he was scum when I first said it. (Just like you insist that you didn't really think I was scum when you first accused me of it either, REMEMBER?) The reason I posted my theory that you two were scum partners is because, thinking back over all of the posts there at the beginning, it seems like too good of a coincidence not to poke. And if you might recall, I put a "maybe I'm just crazy" statement at the end of that second post. So I'm not completely convinced of that idea.

I AM NOT scumreading you because you are wrong about Vij. I AM scumreading you because despite many people have said that self-voting in RVS is NAI and you refused to consider that and continue to double down on it. In my mind, you are scum trying to get a "scumread".

That ^^^^

AND.

The fact you are just going to scumread anyone who attacks or questions you at this point lmao.

Mhmm, and how many times have I said that I don't consider Vij scum at all, I just think that what he did was anti-town. So please explain how I'm a scum "trying to get a scumread" when I have come out specifically and said that I don't think he's scum.

I'm not happy with where she is on my list, but Vij and Godel ended up taking priority over her. I feel like she is town, but she ended up lower on my list because of those two.

Lol why Godel? Godel has only posted 3 times and it is nothing concrete and Godel is on V/LA...

So therefore, I have no read on him, which would make him a true null.
The problem with my readlist at this point is that whoever I put down there is going to get me questioned. Placing Vij there will get me accusations of considering him scum all over again. Acid will bring accusations on going back on my town read. Godel hasn't posted hardly at all, so that's going to bring me under fire. And the rest I'm reading as town (or for you and Not_Mafia, scum [and even I'm questioning that placement for NM]), so to place them there would bring me under fire for my reasoning when I don't have any. I'm not going to lie, I need to fix my readlist for that problem.

[Not_Mafia]

So why was Vij red?

[Inferno390]

So why was Vij red?

I think that's because I thought you're colors were town on top to scum on bottom.
My readlist would probably look better like this:

Town:
Inferno390
Raya36
Sunlit Diamond
Gorny

Scum:
Not_Mafia
TywinL

Unsure:
Gödel
Vijarada
acidphoenix

But even that's not completely accurate. You're closer to being in between unsure and scum, and Gorny and Acid are closer to being between town and unsure.

[Vijarada]

Inferno:

There are multiple tools on this board to do your own post research with. Please use them.

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That said: VOTE: Vij

Ignoring the fuck out of the self-vote because if inferno goes off again I might actually start screaming, there's the fact that she's done remarkably little actual scumhunting and the reads she has given have been super "safe." I am not a fan and would like to lynch this today.

oh hello sorry guys i remain an existent person.

Have they though? I was like... the only person to look at Raya there and my inferno townread was stated when the only thing in thread was inf and tywin shouting. so i feel like it's inaccurate to say I've just followed the crowd or w/e. ya though haven't posted good content last few days I'm sorry about that.

[Vijarada]

I self-voted purely because it never fails to get the game out of RVS. It used to be there was always some person who would start jumping on anyone who didn't vote in RVS but now self-voting is what does the trick.

and I think Inferno called me "obviously no newbie?". yeah don't trust my joindate lmao. this is like my fifth or sixth mafia game under this account and I played ten or so three years ago. i uh...hate mafia and love reality television tbh.

my current vote is for VOTE: Raya36 pretty scummy imho.

Outs reaction test but then draws exactly 0 conclusions from it, me no likey

Page 3: skipped most posts tbh

Raya and Sunlit are both remarkably unremarkably, potentially by design, if one is scum it's probably Sunlit

Gorny seems nervous, could be personality, could be scum

Tywin is being blatantly faux-aggressive, could be personality, could be scum

Not a reaction test, I was saying it got the game out of RVS. There's a difference there.

Okay but for what purpose? Why artificially end RVS then draw nothing from it?

Other people drew stuff from it. I mean, it didn't produce nothing, it produced the obv-townvtown shouting from Tywin and Inf that I called out pretty soon after that, which wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for my self-vote.

[Vijarada]

Lmao can we lynch Inferno please?

NEVER IN ANY WORLD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Vijarada]

and her scumread was Raya, who, given that others in the game hadn't yet made a significant appearance, was easy to target.

Whoa it's almost like... I was reading people who had contributed to the game and not reading people who hadn't what about that?

[Vijarada]

So I'm town of course.
I honestly don't know how to read Not_Mafia at all but like he's funny so don't lynch plz.
Rereading this game I actually hate Gorny wow. I was giving him towncred for a post by Godel I thought was town but whoops different people lmao. Like I thought 68 was just being wrong? But now looking at it again 68 is pretty bullshit tbh. Like, after heaps of stuff was going on he says "wow this game is getting super-serious fast, I'll read it again but here's my thoughts on the first read". And then his thoughts are literal garbage. His vote on Diamond is obviously manufactured and his other thoughts are "I would normally scumread this but ayyyyyyyyy not this time" and "this is why this person RVSed me". And later than that all he does is defend his fake vote and then recently he's come up with the revolutionary theory that Tywin/Inf might be TvT? What? Yeah no buddy.
I think I mildly townread Sunlit, she's said what I've been thinking a few times and she seems pretty genuine.
Godel is like... mild gutread on his one post which seems genuine in tone, post more.
Inf and Tywin are locktown
So it's gotta be like Gorny and then one of Raya/acidphoenix. Still leaning Raya bc as I pointed out before, she's still just asking random questions and not responding. Her questions seem to have no goal and the one time she responded to an answer was like post 153 where she's just like "i agree with you". It feels to me that Raya is standing at a dartboard with all our names on it and asking random people their opinions on one another, trying to slip under the radar. There's no indication of scumhunting there yet.

Vote raya or gorny ty ty.

[TywinL]

Busy tonight, will post tomorrow.