Come on dude. You always go straight for the histrionics. They have to beat FW and MSF. not exactly undoable.In post 7697, Voidedmafia wrote:There goes NA. It's just gonna be C9 again, most likely.
Why the fuck aren't TSM doing anything early?
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Like, I get your point. I am extremely fatalistic/pessimistic compared to your optimism, and it's not like they can't still win against MSF and FW.In post 7701, zoraster wrote:Sorry voided. Think I got you crossed up with kaleidoscope.
Edit. Oh wait, no.
But their early game has been a huge gaping hole this entire groups, and WE was the first to expose it really hard and shut them down by playing to that early game (and doing it so damn well in the process). And both games TSM didn't get to their mid-late game goals, they lost pretty hard.
I'm just finding it very hard to believe that this is just TSM believing they can still make it late and/or testing the waters on late-game comps. Theymustadapt and not play so hard to the late game against Misfits or else they're out. That's all there is to it. And I haven't seen anything in their playstyle that suggests they're willing or able to do so; sven has been a huge liability for them, pretty much since MSI for the most part, which has kept Hauntzer, Bjergsen and DL having a chance to shine or do anything, it seems. It's like I hve to hoe this is one huge-ass kick in the crotch for them to realize they can't just ignore the early game because I can guarantee that almost no other team that has or will make it out will let that slide. Fnatic would be the only one I can think of, but they're both going to be #2 seeds if TSM even makes it.
P-EDIT: Yeah. Which is still an improvement since it means two teams made it out this year, but not the improvement we want.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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TSM HAS to win both games or they're out or at absolute best get a tiebreak with MSF by winning that game. If they lose to MSF, they're out and EU gets 2 in.
C9 should have a far better day if they beat AHQ, but for fuck's sake...2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 7707, Cabd wrote:#tsmtilt
This is what happens when you say "screw early game" and you don't have Korean-level play to make up for it. And now it costs TSM the entire tournament.
P-EDIT: Okay, they hadoneteamfight. Need more than that.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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That was way too close for anyone's liking. Biofrost is still a god on Rakan.
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They will.In post 7713, Cabd wrote:NB4 FW plays spoiler...2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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It doesn't even matter anymore if TSM manages to make it out. They just utterly destroyed any amount of credit they have at Worlds or international tournaments becuse THEY CAN'T FUCKING LEARN TO PLAY THE EARLY GAME WORTH A DAMN.
It's the easiest shit in the world: You lost the early game all of week one. Best respons?Don't double down on only late-game.Is it really that hard to think "oh, we're failing at playing early. We should definitely try to shore that up so we at least don't lose so hard," because it's pretty obvious TSM never fucking bothered. They don't deserve to advance even if they do, and to be frank I'm almost feeling like they shouldn't even come back to Worlds with this disgrace.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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And yes, I'm really upset because this was a very easily preventable situation. Ridiculously so. I can give some leeway in the WE game because the Caitlyn pick was really unconventional for the meta and WE played their siege comp pretty much to perfection, but TSM still could've tried to upset their plan by being proacive. Either put Cait down or play to put Hauntzer or Bergsen ahead more than they were, and Sven utterly failed at that (and has failed pretty much every game). Maybe they still would've lost due to WE's crispnes, but it wouldn't have been such a stomp. The Misfits game could've been a lot less of a comeback if they hadn't misplayed the early game. And the FW game was just..stupid play. Utterly stupid play.
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they should win NA and then decline the worlds appearance rightIn post 7718, Voidedmafia wrote:I'm almost feeling like they shouldn't even come back to Worlds with this disgrace.To be clear: quack-
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Obviously they won't do that, but they can't really hold their heads high on an international stage, can they?In post 7721, SleepyKrew wrote:
they should win NA and then decline the worlds appearance rightIn post 7718, Voidedmafia wrote:I'm almost feeling like they shouldn't even come back to Worlds with this disgrace.
Sven needs to go, I think. Either to take a sabbatical like DL or just go altogether.
P-EDIT: I'd say just pack it up, LLD. Misfits has been looking far better than TSM today, despite the loss at TSM.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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